Trump is expected to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital and move the US embassy

Moving the embassy will cause WWIII?:eusa_eh:
It very well may and it ensures another century of war fought with the blood of our children and with American tax dollars.

So there was no war until Trump recognized Jerusalem? All peaceful over there until that damn Trump?

And you think that it will go "all peaceful" now because Trump has officially recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel?

It's kind of what he suggested in his speech... Shows how much he knows eh!
 
Moving the embassy will cause WWIII?:eusa_eh:
It very well may and it ensures another century of war fought with the blood of our children and with American tax dollars.

So there was no war until Trump recognized Jerusalem? All peaceful over there until that damn Trump?

Didn't Congress sign a law in 1995? Jerusalem must be the capital of Israel.

1995!!
 
Trump is the lousiest deal maker that ever existed on the face of this Earth...

He could have used this opportunity, to start a Peace process.... agreed to Jerusalem being the capital of Israel, but the Israelis would have to commit to building no further in to the Palestinian neighborhoods there in exchange for the USA support now, for Jerusalem as the Capital.....both sides would have given up something, yet gotten something in return and maybe ALL HELL would not break out in the middle east over this....
Maybe huh? Like the concessions after withdrawl from Gaza maybe brought results? That kind of maybe?
 
What a nerve! Telling another country where their capital should be.

He didnt tell anyone where their capital should be. He recognized the capital Israel itself claims.
 
Moving the embassy will cause WWIII?:eusa_eh:
It very well may and it ensures another century of war fought with the blood of our children and with American tax dollars.

So there was no war until Trump recognized Jerusalem? All peaceful over there until that damn Trump?

And you think that it will go "all peaceful" now because Trump has officially recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel?

It's kind of what he suggested in his speech... Shows how much he knows eh!
Nope he said a new approach is required. It will hopefully indicate to hamas that it is time to acknowledge Israel's existence. That would be helpful don't you think? :biggrin:
 
Trump met with a Muslim ambassador. The ambassador, making small talk, tells him "I love your space shows. Like Star Trek. But I was wondering...why are no Muslims portrayed in any of them"
Trump laughs and says "well you see, these shows take place in the future..."
 
Why is this move of TRUMPs recognizing a whole Jeruselum against International law?
 
That's good enough for me.
What's fascinating is that you think any of the Arab nations that won't let the West Bank Jordanians in really care.

It has to do with more than just the west bank. Jerusalem is a holy city for all the Muslim faith just as much as it is for Christians. Moving our embassy there will be taken as an insult to their religious beliefs, and since there is no other logical or reasonable purpose in doing it, they will be right.
Jerusalem is not a holy city to Muslims.
You really should so some research before exposing your ignorance on a topic.

Of course it is. Lots of information on this if you care to Google it, but I found something for you from USA TODAY because it's written for a lower grade reading level than most newspapers. I figured it might help you understand.


OK, if the Muslims transfer Mecca and Medina to Jewish control, then they can get a say about Jerusalem. Until then, no deal!

Damn. You're just as intelligent and logical as our president. Accept my condolences.


Then send yourself the condolences, for saying that Muslims should be predominant everywhere. You give the Muslim interpretation of Jerusalem the same degree as the Jewish interpretation. They're not the same. So you have my condolences for your ignorance of comparative religion. Take a course in that subject.
 
Report: Evangelicals, Donors Pressured Trump to Make Jerusalem Move
President Trump’s decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel came after persistent prodding by wealthy donors who supported him during his campaign, The New York Times reports. While Trump on Wednesday touted the move as a necessary step toward peace in the Middle East, his frequent meetings with Republican mega-donor Sheldon Adelson in the months before of the decision suggest he may have been trying to please supporters, the Times suggests. Adelson, a longtime donor to pro-Israel groups and advocate of moving the U.S. embassy, had reportedly phoned a friend 10 days before Trump took office to announce the soon-to-be president had promised to make the matter a priority. Adelson, who donated $20 million to a political action committee that supported Trump’s campaign, pushed Trump to keep his word and move the embassy. Trump was reportedly also under pressure by representatives of evangelical Christian groups. Ahead of his announcement Wednesday, the White House held two calls with religious leaders to inform them of Trump’s decision, with major Trump allies like Ralph Reed, the founder of the Faith and Freedom Coalition, and Mike Evans, a Christian Zionist, among those to be given a heads up, according to the report.
THE NEW YORK TIMES
 
The existing Palestinian seat of government is in Ramallah. Jerusalem is not, and never was, any Arab capital. The entire reason for that Palestinian demand for Jerusalem is to take Jerusalem away from Israel. They've said it themselves.

The insistence that Jerusalem must be the capital of a Palestinian state is the real obstacle to peace.

If the EU and UN really wanted peace, instead of kowtowing to ahistorical and ultimately impossible Palestinian demands (seriously, how can a city with two sovereigns exist without dividing it again?) they would tell the Palestinians that they have a choice: a state without Jerusalem (except in a symbolic way using a suburb of the city) or no state at all.

By telling the Palestinians that they will get their prize no matter what, the world is rewarding decades of terror and intransigence. And that does not bring peace - it guarantees more violence.

(full article online)

Hypocritical EU leaders have no problem "prejudging negotiations" by declaring Jerusalem capital of Palestine ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News
 
The Palestinian Authority Ministry of Education announced the closure of all schools Thursday.

It called on its staff, teachers, high school students, universities and colleges to participate in rallies scheduled Thursday at noon.

Ordinary Palestinians aren't bothered enough by the Trump announcement to "spontaneously" demonstrate. The government itself is essentially busing in students to make the rallies look much larger than they are.

(full article online)

Palestinian Authority closing schools Thursday so they can hold large anti-US rallies (plus Kotel without Dome pics) ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News
 
Trump is the lousiest deal maker that ever existed on the face of this Earth...

He could have used this opportunity, to start a Peace process.... agreed to Jerusalem being the capital of Israel, but the Israelis would have to commit to building no further in to the Palestinian neighborhoods there in exchange for the USA support now, for Jerusalem as the Capital.....both sides would have given up something, yet gotten something in return and maybe ALL HELL would not break out in the middle east over this....


I can't agree ---- those ideas have been pushed for decades, and haven't ever worked. Trump is a great deal maker because he realizes that when you have a dysfunctional process, the thing to do is throw everything up in the air and try something different.
 
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It has to do with more than just the west bank. Jerusalem is a holy city for all the Muslim faith just as much as it is for Christians. Moving our embassy there will be taken as an insult to their religious beliefs, and since there is no other logical or reasonable purpose in doing it, they will be right.
Jerusalem is not a holy city to Muslims.
You really should so some research before exposing your ignorance on a topic.

Of course it is. Lots of information on this if you care to Google it, but I found something for you from USA TODAY because it's written for a lower grade reading level than most newspapers. I figured it might help you understand.


OK, if the Muslims transfer Mecca and Medina to Jewish control, then they can get a say about Jerusalem. Until then, no deal!

Damn. You're just as intelligent and logical as our president. Accept my condolences.


Then send yourself the condolences, for saying that Muslims should be predominant everywhere. You give the Muslim interpretation of Jerusalem the same degree as the Jewish interpretation. They're not the same. So you have my condolences for your ignorance of comparative religion. Take a course in that subject.

Are you hallucinating again? When did I say Muslims should be predominant everywhere? Your imagination is getting the better of you.
 
Ben Shapiro summed up the difference between Palestinian control of East Jerusalem and Israeli control of West Jerusalem in one sentence.

“If you are a Jew and you walk into East Jerusalem, your life is in danger. If you're an Arab and you walk into West Jerusalem, there's no problem at all, which signifies exactly why Jerusalem should be under Jewish control and not under Muslim control,” Shapiro said on “Fox & Friends” Wednesday.
 
“If you are a Jew and you walk into East Jerusalem, your life is in danger.
The guy obviously is wrong.

East Jerusalem was formally recognized as part of Israel by Israel's Supreme Court in 1967; however, the international community considers Jewish communities beyond the 1949 armistice line as illegel settlements. Before 1865, the entire population of Jerusalem lived inside the Old City walls, what today would be considered East Jerusalem. Later, when the city expanded due to population growth, both Jews and Arabs began to build in new areas of the city.


By partition in 1947, a thriving Jewish community was living in the eastern part of Jerusalem, an area that included the Jewish Quarter of the Old City. This area also contains many sites of religious importance, including the City of David, the Temple Mount and the Western Wall. In addition, major institutions such as Hebrew University and Hadassah Hospital are on Mount Scopus, in eastern Jerusalem....

Jewish Communities in East Jerusalem
 
Arab and Muslim leaders and spokespersons have been trying to frighten the entire world in order to prevent other nations from recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital – Trump's declaration notwithstanding – and from relocating their embassies to Jerusalem. It's time to tell the world what it should have realized a long time ago.

1. Jerusalem, the capital of the Jewish people's state, is one of the most ancient capitals in the world. It became the capital of Israel's monarchy during the reign of King David – that is in 1003 B.C.E., 2030 years ago, when the capitals of the countries who refuse to recognize it were still boggy swamps, leafy forests or arid deserts. The history of the oldest nations of Europe, the Greeks and the Romans, proves without a doubt that Jerusalem was already the capital of the Jewish nation in ancient times.

2. The Jews are the only indigenous people of the land of Israel and lived in Jerusalem for 1613 years before the birth of Islam, which occurred in 610 C.E. Putting it bluntly, the Jews lived in Jerusalem when Islam's forefathers were still pagan nomads in the Arabian Peninsula, so what gives the Muslims of today the right to oppose Jerusalem's being recognized as the capital of the Jewish state?

3. Can anyone imagine Muslim threats of terror attacks, demonstrations or uncontrolled rioting having enough clout to limit or direct the political decisions made by world powers?

4. Is there any other country in the world that accepts the dictates of other states regarding the location of its capital city?

5. Why doesn't the world recognize Israeli sovereignty in Jerusalem despite Israel's liberation of Jerusalem's eastern sector from illegal and illegitimate Jordanian occupation that was unrecognized by the world?

(full article online)

20 reasons why every foreign embassy should move to Jerusalem
 
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