Trump inks EU trade deal. His tariff strategy is working as planned.

[kyzr]

**** your buy American deflection. You said you like 15% tariffs do not hit consumers. Consumers pay.
Also, you are sadly mistaken on "Buy American". Any American produced goods that use imported parts are going UP in price.
The cost is passed onto consumer

Cheer up! Happy Monday! Trump is doing a fantastic job, and democrats are at 19% approval.
Its a complex matter of how tariffs ultimately get paid.
Some cost may get passed on to the consumer, but my point is that all tariff costs are not passed on to the consumer.
Even if some US products have imported parts that pay tariffs, that doesn't prove that the cost gets paid by the consumer.
Of the $300b or so of annual tariff revenue, its unknown how much is actually paid by US consumers.

 

[Care4all]

The American company importing the E/U widgets pays the 15% tariff levy when the widgets arrive at the port of entry to the USA.

The importer then sells the widgets at a profit to the retailer, so he adds the tariff cost, PLUS profit to the whole sell price of the widget, to get the landed cost of the product price for the US Retailer to buy and then retailer to sell at their profit.

Example...at a 50% mark up...simplified

...........................................TARIFF...................................NO TARIFF
Factory cost of widget........$100.........................................$100
Import tariff cost 15%.........$ 15......................................... N/A
landed widget cost..............$115.........................................$100
50% mark up........................$230.........................................$200
wholesale price...................$230..price sold to retailer......$200

Retailer pays wholesale......$230…......................................$200
50% mark up........................$460..price sold to consumer $400



The consumer will pay $60 more for the initial factory cost of the $100 widget... with the 15% tariffs vs without the tariff.

 

[Mac1958]

My guess is that you have TDS

I know, that's the best you can do.

 

[SeaMajor7]

The American company importing the E/U widgets pays the 15% tariff levy when the widgets arrive at the port of entry to the USA.

The importer then sells the widgets at a profit to the retailer, so he adds the tariff cost, PLUS profit to the whole sell price of the widget, to get the landed cost of the product price for the US Retailer to buy and then retailer to sell at their profit.

Example...at a 50% mark up...simplified

...........................................TARIFF...................................NO TARIFF
Factory cost of widget........$100.........................................$100
Import tariff cost 15%.........$ 15......................................... N/A
landed widget cost..............$115.........................................$100
50% mark up........................$230.........................................$200
wholesale price...................$230..price sold to retailer......$200

Retailer pays wholesale......$230…......................................$200
50% mark up........................$460..price sold to consumer $400



The consumer will pay $60 more for the initial factory cost of the $100 widget... with the 15% tariffs vs without the tariff.

Then don't buy that widget.
Fake "problem" SOLVED.
Your terminal TDS is all you've got, princess.

 

[Mac1958]

The American company importing the E/U widgets pays the 15% tariff levy when the widgets arrive at the port of entry to the USA.

The importer then sells the widgets at a profit to the retailer, so he adds the tariff cost, PLUS profit to the whole sell price of the widget, to get the landed cost of the product price for the US Retailer to buy and then retailer to sell at their profit.

Example...at a 50% mark up...simplified

...........................................TARIFF...................................NO TARIFF
Factory cost of widget........$100.........................................$100
Import tariff cost 15%.........$ 15......................................... N/A
landed widget cost..............$115.........................................$100
50% mark up........................$230.........................................$200
wholesale price...................$230..price sold to retailer......$200

Retailer pays wholesale......$230…......................................$200
50% mark up........................$460..price sold to consumer $400



The consumer will pay $60 more for the initial factory cost of the $100 widget... with the 15% tariffs vs without the tariff.

Here's the funny part.

If corporate taxes were going to be increased by 15%, they would be screaming from mountaintops (and justifiably, in my opinion).

But this? No, the companies can just absorb the high COGS, the rubes say. That is either pure ignorance or abject dishonesty.

Plus, they clearly have NO understanding, NONE, of supply chains and how costs increase from the beginning to the end, sometimes seeing constituent items going back and forth across borders MULTIPLE times.

They are arrogantly, aggressively, and dangerously, IGNORANT.

 

[Modern Messiah]

I know, that's the best you can do.

Nope.
Your comments are so ignorant and devoid of any logical thought process that it could only be equated to you TDS, which you display on this forum everyday
Let me guess.
You're going to start calling everyone hitler or fascist

 

[citygator]

All the bedwetting about rampant inflation and supply chain disruptions were lies.

More Trump winning for America, more losing for the Democrats party.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/07/27/us/trump-news

Woo hoo. More taxes levied by the Federal Government on its citizens regardless of their ability to pay. Nice. We used to tax ourselves 1.5% on stuff from Europe. We now tax ourselves 15% on it.

The same bottle of wine from France bought in Mexico will cost $50 and in the US it will cost almost $60. It will be just like pharmaceuticals.

 

[Mac1958]

Nope.
Your comments are so ignorant and devoid of any logical thought process that it could only be equated to you TDS, which you display on this forum everyday
Let me guess.
You're going to start calling everyone hitler or fascist

Out of purely morbid curiosity, please provide your education, continuing education, training, professional designations and practical experience in economic, macroeconomic, business and market analysis.

Thanks in advance.

 

[SeaMajor7]

All this angst against the tariff deals are rooted in TDS.
Not logic, not reason.
Pure HATRED. That's all.

 

[Hollie]

I see Mac1958 is the one holding the bag on this thread. Maybe they should activate someone else.

He’s carrying water for MSDNC.

 

[Hollie]

All this angst against the tariff deals are rooted in TDS.
Not logic, not reason.
Pure HATRED. That's all.

Yep and pure loathing for the US.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Yep and pure loathing for the US.

That of which they were TAUGHT by our subverted edu system.

 

[kyzr]

The American company importing the E/U widgets pays the 15% tariff levy when the widgets arrive at the USA.
The importer then sells the widgets at a profit to the retailer, so he adds the tariff cost, PLUS profit to the whole sell price of the widget, to get the landed cost of the product price for the US Retailer to buy and then retailer to sell at their profit.
Example...at a 50% mark up...simplified
...........................................TARIFF...................................NO TARIFF
Factory cost of widget........$100.........................................$100
Import tariff cost 15%.........$ 15......................................... N/A
landed widget cost..............$115.........................................$100
50% mark up........................$230.........................................$200
wholesale price...................$230..price sold to retailer......$200
Retailer pays wholesale......$230…......................................$200
50% mark up........................$460..price sold to consumer $400
The consumer will pay $60 more for the initial factory cost of the $100 widget... with the 15% tariffs vs without the tariff.

You are ASSUMING how the tariffs get paid, here is another POV:

...........................................TARIFF...................................NO TARIFF
Factory cost of widget........$100.........................................$100
Import tariff cost 15%.........$ 15......................................... N/A
landed widget cost..............$115.........................................$100
50% mark up........................$200.........................................$200 (actually a 100% markup, math not your thing?)
wholesale price...................$200..price sold to retailer......$200
Retailer pays wholesale......$200…......................................$200
50% mark up........................$400..price sold to consumer $400 (another 100% markup)

 

[Nostra]

In summary, either I don't know what 15+15 equals (even though I didn't say anything like that), or he's trying to put me on the defensive and change the subject after I inserted a little reality into his latest fevered Trump circle jerk. One of the two.

Anyway, I can't quite tell if they're still somehow stunningly ignorant about how tariffs work, or if they're just lying to obediently protect their new Christ. Do you have any guesses there?

You clearly said employees will pay 15% more AFTER paying the 15%btatiff.

15 + 15 = 30 in the real world, dumbass.

You are a special kind of stupid, or just can’t remember what bullshit you post minutes after doing it. Which is it?

So American employers have to pay 15% more now after paying the tariff?

Wow, what a huge win for Trump, huh?

 

[Nostra]

**** your buy American deflection. You said you like 15% tariffs do not hit consumers. Consumers pay.
Also, you are sadly mistaken on "Buy American". Any American produced goods that use imported parts are going UP in price.

The cost is passed onto consumer

Must be why the government is raking in billions in tariffs and inflation is lower than when Trump took office.

Oh wait…..

 

[Nostra]

Here's the funny part.

If corporate taxes were going to be increased by 15%, they would be screaming from mountaintops (and justifiably, in my opinion).

But this? No, the companies can just absorb the high COGS, the rubes say. That is either pure ignorance or abject dishonesty.

Plus, they clearly have NO understanding, NONE, of supply chains and how costs increase from the beginning to the end, sometimes seeing constituent items going back and forth across borders MULTIPLE times.

They are arrogantly, aggressively, and dangerously, IGNORANT.

Sorry sport, nobody takes macro economic advice from someone who can’t add 15 and 15.

 

[Nostra]

Woo hoo. More taxes levied by the Federal Government on its citizens regardless of their ability to pay. Nice. We used to tax ourselves 1.5% on stuff from Europe. We now tax ourselves 15% on it.

The same bottle of wine from France bought in Mexico will cost $50 and in the US it will cost almost $60. It will be just like pharmaceuticals.

You clowns have been predicting out of control inflation since Liberation Day.

Not happening.

Next?

 

[Care4all]

You are ASSUMING how the tariffs get paid, here is another POV:

...........................................TARIFF...................................NO TARIFF
Factory cost of widget........$100.........................................$100
Import tariff cost 15%.........$ 15......................................... N/A
landed widget cost..............$115.........................................$100
50% mark up........................$200.........................................$200 (actually a 100% markup, math not your thing?)
wholesale price...................$200..price sold to retailer......$200
Retailer pays wholesale......$200…......................................$200
50% mark up........................$400..price sold to consumer $400 (another 100% markup)

No my dear...math is my thing!

The $15 tariff cost, is added to the factory cost, (along with some other expenses that for simplicity, I did not mention in my example like freight and insurance costs and any other duties) gives you, as the importer, the LANDED COST of the item you purchased from overseas.

When a whole seller imports a product from overseas instead of buying it domestically from a manufacturer here, the importer calculates what the total cost for the widget would be when imported, the factory cost, the freight cost to ship it here to the USA, the insurance cost you pay to cover a ship's possible mishaps with your container freight shipping, like theft, or water damage from storms, or even sinking...(which happened to me once), and any duties or tariffs you have to pay the port of entry, in order to unload and receive your goods on to a truck to get it to your warehouse distribution center etc...and the item's total landed cost....all those fees paid to get that item you bought from overseas to the warehouse and COMPARE it to what cost of the widget item would be if you paid a domestic manufacturer for the item.

That's how one makes their financial decisions on whether to import or buy domestically if available to do so, you need to know all of what you will spend to get that item bought overseas, here... And compare the gross margin to what you would pay for it domestically.

And that includes any tariffs and other fees to get the total cost for the item to calculate the projected gross margin profit on the item when choosing the selling price for your customers.

(There are many more things considered that are political in nature, and there are marketing strategies, and the competition, ....that are considered in pricing the product....but it could take weeks to teach all of them....)

The example you gave is wrong because you did not account for the cost of the tariff in to the cost if the item, when pricing the item for sale.

You'd lose your ass if you owned the company, and job if working for an importer as a buyer....if you did something like that!

 

[kyzr]

No my dear...math is my thing!

View attachment 1141907


The $15 tariff cost, is added to the factory cost, (along with some other expenses that for simplicity, I did not mention in my example like freight and insurance costs and any other duties) gives you, as the importer, the LANDED COST of the item you purchased from overseas.

When a whole seller imports a product from overseas instead of buying it domestically from a manufacturer here, the importer calculates what the total cost for the widget would be when imported, the factory cost, the freight cost to ship it here to the USA, the insurance cost you pay to cover a ship's possible mishaps with your container freight shipping, like theft, or water damage from storms, or even sinking...(which happened to me once), and any duties or tariffs you have to pay the port of entry, in order to unload and receive your goods on to a truck to get it to your warehouse distribution center etc...and the item's total landed cost....all those fees paid to get that item you bought from overseas to the warehouse and COMPARE it to what cost of the widget item would be if you paid a domestic manufacturer for the item.

That's how one makes their financial decisions on whether to import or buy domestically if available to do so, you need to know all of what you will spend to get that item bought overseas, here... And compare the gross margin to what you would pay for it domestically.

And that includes any tariffs and other fees to get the total cost for the item to calculate the projected gross margin profit on the item when choosing the selling price for your customers.

(There are many more things considered that are political in nature, and there are market strategies, and the competition, ....that are considered in pricing the product....but it could take weeks to teach all of them....)

The example you gave is wrong because you did not account for the cost of the tariff in to the cost if the item, when pricing the item for sale.

You'd lose your ass if you owned the company, and job if working for an importer as a buyer....if you did something like that!

Math is also my thing
1. Simply put

$100 = $200 -$100
or
$200 = $400 - $200

Either way the markup is double the cost, which shows Markup/Cost = $200/$200 = 1 = 100% markup

2 is 100% more than 1 (or use any numbers you prefer)

google it if you don't believe me.

If You Double a Number, Is That a 100% Increase? - Vocab Dictionary

Doubling a number means increasing it by 100%. Here's why:

vocabdictionary.com

 

[Care4all]

Math is also my thing
1. Simply put
View attachment 1141929
$100 = $200 -$100
or
$200 = $400 - $200

Either way the markup is double the cost, which shows Markup/Cost = $200/$200 = 1 = 100% markup

2 is 100% more than 1 (or use any numbers you prefer)

google it if you don't believe me.

If You Double a Number, Is That a 100% Increase? - Vocab Dictionary

Doubling a number means increasing it by 100%. Here's why:

vocabdictionary.com

On and imported item, the cost if the item in slides everything it costs to deliver the product to the USA.

In your example, you left out the cost the importer has to pay in tariffs for the item and only included the factory cost. And that is simply flat out wrong and not how it is done to determine your selling price that your customers will pay you.

Where does your $15 tariff cost per item go on your books when calculating your gross margin profit?