Trump doesn't want to put tariffs on China now.... after taking Musk's money...

[Nostra]

More fantasyland bullshit from the Democrat peanut gallery.

For months we heard how Trump was gonna be a DICTATOR, and all the sudden he doesn't want power after he gets it.

These clowns are complete nutbags.

 

[Ace Nova]

Drop in the bucket?

Then why does Trump want to implement them?

Because of everything I stated above. "Tariffs" aren't designed to "destroy" a trading partner. Especially one like China. They are designed to bring certain trading partners to the table and to help balance out trade deficits.

 

[Nostra]

How many of these pissy pants threads are you clowns going to start?

Trump doesn't want to put tariffs on China now.... after taking Musk's money...

We told you https://www.bbc.com/news/live/ce8y3yk00yjt "Trump says he 'would rather not' impose tariffs on China" All that crap about tariffs, and he's been in office four days and he's already backtracking. We all know as soon as he took Musk's money, that he wouldn't put tariffs on China...

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[Captain Caveman]

First you bitch he's puttin' them on.

Now you bitch that he may not.

Just because you're butthurt doesn't mean you have to be a cockbite.

Winning post of the year so far

 

[berg80]

Some of President Donald Trump’s key aides and allies are furious with Elon Musk for publicly trashing his $500 billion artificial intelligence mega-deal.

A White House official said Musk “very much” got over his skis when the tech tycoon launched a daylong screed against the AI project. One Trump ally said Musk abused his closeness to the president. Another Republican close to the White House went further, saying Trump’s staff is “furious” over Musk using his massive social media platform to pour cold water on the infrastructure deal that Trump called “tremendous” and “monumental” just a day prior.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/23/trump-staff-musk-conflict-00200311

The S. African fascist better be careful.

 

[Oddball]

Some of President Donald Trump’s key aides and allies are furious with Elon Musk for publicly trashing his $500 billion artificial intelligence mega-deal.

A White House official said Musk “very much” got over his skis when the tech tycoon launched a daylong screed against the AI project. One Trump ally said Musk abused his closeness to the president. Another Republican close to the White House went further, saying Trump’s staff is “furious” over Musk using his massive social media platform to pour cold water on the infrastructure deal that Trump called “tremendous” and “monumental” just a day prior.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/23/trump-staff-musk-conflict-00200311

The S. African fascist better be careful.

Moonbat crackpot hearsay, speculation, and shit stirring...

The White House and Musk did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

 

[White 6]

Of course, but then why campaign on a promise that all the experts said "would destroy the economy"???

Because he treats voters like idiots who will like anything they don't understand.

That kind of rhetoric is sweet music to the uninformed MAGA folk that cheer his every word, wanting vengence, but often not knowing or caring the effects. The path to hell is actually paved with unintended consequences, not good intentions.

 

[Edgetho]

OMB never wanted to put Tariffs on China, Messy business. He just wanted them to straighten up and fly right.

People who know nothing about a topic, in this case 'negotiating' should just pipe down. Just be quiet and listen.

It's how Trump works. It's real negotiations work. Everywhere.

Even between Unions and Businesses.

 

[okfine]

Well, that kinda went out the window when Musk was cut out of a 500 billion dollar deal for AI driven datacenters.
So..not much control there. And, it's really embarrassing when you get cut out in favor of a technology company that hasn't been relevant in two decades.

Captain Chaos did that to piss off the Muskrat. An equal opportunity measure.

 

[Nobody911]

We told you

Trump touts economic policy at rally as Senate works to confirm cabinet

While Trump promotes his "no tax on tips" proposal in Las Vegas, Senate Republicans are working to secure his team.

www.bbc.com

"Trump says he 'would rather not' impose tariffs on China"

All that crap about tariffs, and he's been in office four days and he's already backtracking.

We all know as soon as he took Musk's money, that he wouldn't put tariffs on China, because it would make Musk less rich.

Trump has been pretty nice to China, compared to Biden, the only time he went a little anti-China was to try and beat Biden in 2020.

"In the second part of a Fox News interview, Donald Trump says he "would rather not" impose tariffs on China, while saying it was their "one very big power" over Beijing"

yeah, he's got "big power" over China, and China has HUGE POWER over Trump.....

Well done MAGA.

Democracy died long time ago. It's now moneyocracy! And Americans themselves enjoyed it! The world knows that. lol.


Not joking. The concept of moneyocracy in America is a serious issue that has been studied and written about by scholars, journalists, and commentators. While the United States is a democracy, the influence of money in politics is a significant concern.

There are several ways in which money can exert influence in American politics:

1. Campaign finance: Wealthy donors and corporations can contribute large sums of money to political campaigns, which can give them access to policymakers and influence over policy decisions.
2. Lobbying: Special interest groups and corporations can hire lobbyists to influence policymakers and shape legislation.
3. Super PACs: Super PACs (Political Action Committees) can raise and spend unlimited amounts of money to support or oppose candidates, which can give them significant influence over elections.
4. Dark money: Non-profit organizations can spend money on politics without disclosing their donors, which can make it difficult to track the influence of money in politics.

Studies have shown that the influence of money in politics can have significant consequences, including:

1. Unequal representation: The interests of the wealthy may be prioritized over those of the general population.
2. Corruption: The influence of money can lead to corruption and the exchange of favors for campaign contributions.
3. Polarization: The influence of money can contribute to polarization and gridlock in politics.

Some notable examples of the influence of money in American politics are here:

1. The Citizens United decision: In 2010, the Supreme Court ruled that corporations have the right to spend unlimited amounts of money on politics, which has led to a significant increase in corporate spending on elections.
2. The Koch brothers: The billionaire Koch brothers have spent millions of dollars on politics, including funding conservative think tanks and advocacy groups.
3. The 2010 midterm elections: A study by the Sunlight Foundation found that the top 10% of donors in the 2010 midterm elections accounted for 77% of all campaign contributions.

Overall, while the concept of moneyocracy in America may seem like a joke, it is a serious issue that has significant implications for democracy and governance.

 

[Missourian]

1) I'm bitching because I told people he doesn't make promises during the election, he just says stuff, then when he wins the election he goes "fuck it, I'll do whatever I want."

I even provided a quote of Trump's.

Trump says he’s not interested in pursuing case against Clinton

‘It’s just not something that I feel very strongly about,’ Trump told The New York Times.

www.politico.eu

“Look, there’s a tradition in American politics that after you win an election, you sort of put things behind you,” he told reporters inside Trump Tower. “And if that’s the decision he reached, that’s perfectly consistent with sort of a historical pattern of things come up, you say a lot of things, even some bad things might happen, and then you can sort of put it behind you in order to unite the nation.”

I posted this numerous times during the election process.

Trump literally saying it's a tradition to say whatever you want during an election, and then ignore it afterwards.

It's EXACTLY what he's done.

He treats his supporters like idiots. I wonder why.

Let's set the politics aside and see what happens.

What you're missing is, his SUPPORTERS would also prefer not to be forced to levy tariffs. But if the alternative is American jobs continuing to be outsourced to cheap labor in Asia ... then you've gotta do what you gotta do.

Let's cut the partisan crap and I'll ask you a few yes or no questions.

Starting with, do you believe that the trade imbalance and exporting of jobs to Asia is a problem?

 

[frigidweirdo]

After DEMONIZING Trump (what eles is new) for wanting the China tarrifs.. Now it's on to what?? He took Musk's money to scrap what you all have been saying was a bad idea??

You should be happy guys but you're TDS won't let you be happy.

Yes, the tariffs were a bad idea. What I'm now saying is, you people jumped aboard the bad idea, saying it was going to make America rich, while those who attacked Trump said it was a bad idea

Now Trump's lied to you, instead of acknowledging that he's a liar, that he got you all pumped up about tariffs, like he got you all pumped up about locking up Hillary, you attack me for some supposed "TDS".

TDS being "I've got no argument, so... TDS" It's pathetic.

 

[frigidweirdo]

What business of Musk's would "get destroyed" because of tariffs? Contrary to what has been said in this thread, 100% of Tesla cars sold in the US are made in the US.

Tariffs would have zero impact on Tesla cost/sales in the US. And since tariffs only apply to goods entering the US, the Teslas sold in foreign markets that are produced abroad would not be affected either.

Tesla.

Musk sells a lot of Tesla cars in China.

Tesla China accounted for 22.5% of company's overall revenue in 2023

Tesla received $21.75 billion in revenue from its China operations in 2023. That's about 22.5% of the company's total revenue over the year.

www.teslarati.com

"Tesla China accounted for 22.5% of company’s overall revenue in 2023"

Imagine losing close to 1/4 of your revenue.

"Tesla received $21.75 billion in revenue from its China operations in 2023. "

That's a lot of money to be losing. Sure, it's not all profits, but made in the US, that would mean a lot of US workers out of work.

And the Chinese govt has shut down businesses because it doesn't like their politics.

H&M kind of got banned in China, even though they're still in China, because it came out and said it didn't use Xinjiang cotton. The govt didn't like this stance, so put huge pressure on the company and forced them to close loads of stores.

Chinese EV car makers would love Tesla to be kicked out of the country. Anything that looks political and Tesla is out. Musk doesn't want this.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Oh, boy. Saying "would rather not" is not the same thing as saying "won't." Did it occur to you that he was just saying he wished he didn't need to impose tariffs on China?

You know that Biden continued and expanded Trump's tariffs on China, right? You know this, right?

You guys would rather see America decline and fail than to see Trump succeed. Very sad.

He's literally saying "no tariffs on China". "would rather not" is word play for, "if China pisses me off in the future, I'll put tariffs in place, but I don't want to", or "I'm not putting tariffs in place now, even though I said I would"

What Trump does is he threatens people with something, then he says "If you don't want these threats to be carried out, you need to be good to me".

He's done it to Canada, Denmark and Panama recently too. He's spent the whole election cycle threatening people, and now he's trying to get the power from that.

 

[Ace Nova]

Tesla.

Musk sells a lot of Tesla cars in China.

Tesla China accounted for 22.5% of company's overall revenue in 2023

Tesla received $21.75 billion in revenue from its China operations in 2023. That's about 22.5% of the company's total revenue over the year.

www.teslarati.com

"Tesla China accounted for 22.5% of company’s overall revenue in 2023"

Imagine losing close to 1/4 of your revenue.

"Tesla received $21.75 billion in revenue from its China operations in 2023. "

That's a lot of money to be losing. Sure, it's not all profits, but made in the US, that would mean a lot of US workers out of work.

And the Chinese govt has shut down businesses because it doesn't like their politics.

H&M kind of got banned in China, even though they're still in China, because it came out and said it didn't use Xinjiang cotton. The govt didn't like this stance, so put huge pressure on the company and forced them to close loads of stores.

Chinese EV car makers would love Tesla to be kicked out of the country. Anything that looks political and Tesla is out. Musk doesn't want this.

A tariff on US imports would not make China "kick Tesla out of the country". If anything, China would want to figure out a way to keep US businesses.

People seem to think that a tariff is some sort of "trade embargo" and/or sanction and that is definitely not the case.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Democracy died long time ago. It's now moneyocracy! And Americans themselves enjoyed it! The world knows that. lol.


Not joking. The concept of moneyocracy in America is a serious issue that has been studied and written about by scholars, journalists, and commentators. While the United States is a democracy, the influence of money in politics is a significant concern.

There are several ways in which money can exert influence in American politics:

1. Campaign finance: Wealthy donors and corporations can contribute large sums of money to political campaigns, which can give them access to policymakers and influence over policy decisions.
2. Lobbying: Special interest groups and corporations can hire lobbyists to influence policymakers and shape legislation.
3. Super PACs: Super PACs (Political Action Committees) can raise and spend unlimited amounts of money to support or oppose candidates, which can give them significant influence over elections.
4. Dark money: Non-profit organizations can spend money on politics without disclosing their donors, which can make it difficult to track the influence of money in politics.

Studies have shown that the influence of money in politics can have significant consequences, including:

1. Unequal representation: The interests of the wealthy may be prioritized over those of the general population.
2. Corruption: The influence of money can lead to corruption and the exchange of favors for campaign contributions.
3. Polarization: The influence of money can contribute to polarization and gridlock in politics.

Some notable examples of the influence of money in American politics are here:

1. The Citizens United decision: In 2010, the Supreme Court ruled that corporations have the right to spend unlimited amounts of money on politics, which has led to a significant increase in corporate spending on elections.
2. The Koch brothers: The billionaire Koch brothers have spent millions of dollars on politics, including funding conservative think tanks and advocacy groups.
3. The 2010 midterm elections: A study by the Sunlight Foundation found that the top 10% of donors in the 2010 midterm elections accounted for 77% of all campaign contributions.

Overall, while the concept of moneyocracy in America may seem like a joke, it is a serious issue that has significant implications for democracy and governance.

Yes, the German federal election cost less than one US Senate seat. It's ridiculous how much money controls politics in the US.

 

[tahuyaman]

Trump doesn't want to put tariffs on China now.... after taking Musk's money...​

I’m sure he doesn’t want to place tariffs on anyone. They are a foreign policy tool to alter certain trade behaviors. He’drsther not need to use that tool.

 

[frigidweirdo]

A tariff on US imports would not make China "kick Tesla out of the country". If anything, China would want to figure out a way to keep US businesses.

People seem to think that a tariff is some sort of "trade embargo" and/or sanction and that is definitely not the case.

It probably would. Why would China want to keep a US business in China? What does China gain from Tesla? Nothing.

Xi's goal is total independence. He's seen what's happened to Russia. If he gets independence, he can invade Taiwan. Right now, if he invades, and the west puts sanctions on China, China's economy would die, because it's so impacted by selling to western countries.

Putting tariffs on Chinese goods means there's no reason to be nice to US companies, especially when Musk has political connections.

 

[Ace Nova]

It probably would. Why would China want to keep a US business in China? What does China gain from Tesla? Nothing.

Xi's goal is total independence. He's seen what's happened to Russia. If he gets independence, he can invade Taiwan. Right now, if he invades, and the west puts sanctions on China, China's economy would die, because it's so impacted by selling to western countries.

Putting tariffs on Chinese goods means there's no reason to be nice to US companies, especially when Musk has political connections.

China's benefit from Tesla? Other than tax revenue and tens of thousands of jobs - that ends up pumping millions and millions of dollars into their economy?

Plenty...especially in the emerging EV market....


Learn more

China benefits from Tesla by having access to advanced electric vehicle technology, a significant boost to its domestic EV manufacturing sector, job creation through Tesla's Shanghai Gigafactory, increased export capabilities due to Tesla's production in China, and a "catfish effect" where Tesla's presence pushes other Chinese EV makers to innovate and compete more vigorously in the market; essentially helping China become a global leader in electric vehicles.

Key points about China's benefits from Tesla:

• Manufacturing hub:
  Tesla's large Gigafactory in Shanghai serves as a major production hub for electric vehicles, contributing to China's manufacturing prowess and generating significant employment opportunities.
  
  
• Technology transfer:
  By establishing operations in China, Tesla inadvertently transfers advanced EV technology to local companies, helping them develop their own electric vehicles.
  
  
• Market stimulation:
  Tesla's presence in China has significantly increased consumer interest in electric cars, accelerating the growth of the Chinese EV market.
  
  
• Export potential:
  Vehicles produced at the Shanghai Gigafactory can be exported globally, further boosting China's economy and international image as a leader in electric vehicles.
  
  
  
• Competition enhancement:
  Tesla's presence acts as a competitive force, pushing other Chinese EV manufacturers to improve their technology and quality to stay relevant.
  
  
  
  Basically, China gets a first hand look at the technology and all future developing technology - as well as engineering, development and manufacturing.
• 
  
• Musk doesn't "patent" most of his products - that said, it wouldn't matter much because Chinese Law does not protect US patents, trademarks, etc - which, btw, is a major issue between China and the US at the moment - intellectual property rights - that is an issue that could (at the very least) be discussed as a negotiating point to withhold or lower tariffs.

 

[frigidweirdo]

China's benefit from Tesla? Other than tax revenue and tens of thousands of jobs - that ends up pumping millions and millions of dollars into their economy?

Plenty...especially in the emerging EV market....


Learn more

China benefits from Tesla by having access to advanced electric vehicle technology, a significant boost to its domestic EV manufacturing sector, job creation through Tesla's Shanghai Gigafactory, increased export capabilities due to Tesla's production in China, and a "catfish effect" where Tesla's presence pushes other Chinese EV makers to innovate and compete more vigorously in the market; essentially helping China become a global leader in electric vehicles.

Key points about China's benefits from Tesla:

• Manufacturing hub:
  Tesla's large Gigafactory in Shanghai serves as a major production hub for electric vehicles, contributing to China's manufacturing prowess and generating significant employment opportunities.
  
  
• Technology transfer:
  By establishing operations in China, Tesla inadvertently transfers advanced EV technology to local companies, helping them develop their own electric vehicles.
  
  
• Market stimulation:
  Tesla's presence in China has significantly increased consumer interest in electric cars, accelerating the growth of the Chinese EV market.
  
  
• Export potential:
  Vehicles produced at the Shanghai Gigafactory can be exported globally, further boosting China's economy and international image as a leader in electric vehicles.
  
  
  
• Competition enhancement:
  Tesla's presence acts as a competitive force, pushing other Chinese EV manufacturers to improve their technology and quality to stay relevant.
  
  
  
  Basically, China gets a first hand look at the technology and all future developing technology - as well as engineering, development and manufacturing.
• 
  
• Musk doesn't "patent" most of his products - that said, it wouldn't matter much because Chinese Law does not protect US patents, trademarks, etc - which, btw, is a major issue between China and the US at the moment - intellectual property rights - that is an issue that could (at the very least) be discussed as a negotiating point to withhold or lower tariffs.

China has its own EVs. They don't need Tesla. They'd sell EVs whether Tesla were there or not.

And China has looked at Teslas, it could buy them regardless, and they're not made in China... so China doesn't get to understand a lot of the things.

So.... no real benefits for China.