trump claims he told NATO country he would not protect them if Russia attacked them

[Seymour Flops]

If you can't see Russia's ambition is to grab as much land through force, as possible, you truly are deaf, blind and stupid.

How much did they grab when Trump was president? I would think quite a bit, since supposedly, Trump loves Putin, so put a number to it how many square miles of land did they capture under the trump administration?

 

[Seymour Flops]

That bill is HB2

2. The bill would significantly limit asylum in the U.S.
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H.R.2 would restrict both access to and eligibility for asylum. In particular, the bill would:

• Raise the initial screening standard so that a noncitizen would have to prove they were “more likely than not” to ultimately qualify for asylum in order to continue pursuing their protection claim and not be quickly removed from the U.S.;
• Ban the vast majority of asylum seekers from requesting protection at a U.S. border if they traveled through a third country en route to the U.S. and had not already been denied asylum there;
• Generally restrict asylum claims to only those migrants who arrive in the U.S. at an official port of entry;
• Add exclusions to asylum eligibility, including by enacting restrictions against those who unlawfully received a federal public benefit or could reasonably avoid persecution by relocating to a safer area within their home country;
• Deny employment authorization if an asylum seeker entered or tried to enter the U.S. at a place other than a port of entry;
• Impose a fee of not less than $50 to apply for asylum, which might make it harder to afford to make a protection claim;
• Narrow who qualifies for asylum based on their political opinion or membership in a particular social group, in ways that would curtail protection claims by generally excluding cases related to interpersonal violence, gang-related activity, or crime;
• Allow the DHS secretary to indefinitely suspend access to a land or maritime border for migrants who enter without admission or parole, misrepresent themselves to enter, or do not have valid documentation to enter, if doing so would help achieve “operational control;”
• Require the DHS secretary to expand detention capacity, including by potentially reopening detention facilities that have been closed or whose use has been altered during the Biden administration;
• Limit release from detention for asylum seekers with positive credible fear determinations, requiring immigration detention for the duration of their asylum adjudication process. With some cases taking multiple years, this provision would mean that some asylum seekers with credible claims could face lengthy periods of detention;
• Expand the use of programs modeled after the Trump administration’s Migrant Protection Protocols (MPP), so that migrants are returned to Mexico or Canada pending their removal proceedings or reviews;
• Require the U.S. to negotiate an international agreement where the Mexican government would accept the continued presence of non-Mexican asylum seekers during their adjudications for asylum in the U.S., like under MPP; and
• Make other changes to current asylum procedures.

These provisions would make it harder for individuals to request asylum, even in cases where they can demonstrate a well-founded fear of persecution, effectively disqualifying people who would be able to receive protection under the U.S.’s current laws. Taken together, the bill’s restrictions would severely limit asylum for most migrants who traveled through Latin America to reach the U.S.-Mexico border. The new fee requirements could box out asylum seekers without the ability to pay for refuge, while mandatory detention or long-term waits abroad could make it more difficult for migrants to access legal counsel and ultimately win their cases.

Programs such as MPP would also represent a significant safety concern; well over a thousand migrants became victims of rape, murder, torture, kidnapping, and other attacks after the U.S. returned them to Mexican border towns under MPP.

Sounds like a great bill, all right. G, I wonder why it doesn’t get more airtime?

 

[AntonToo]

You mean because democrats do not want meaningful border security

Democrats gave you a bipartisan bill to fix the border, you dumbasses refused it and can't even explain why.

IT'S ON YOU FOOLS. And you'll get bashed upside the head with this as soon as you open your mouth about the border here on out.

 

[Mac-7]

Sounds like a great bill, all right. G, I wonder why it doesn’t get more airtime?

It would actually reduce the alien invasion which the lib news media does not want

Bill Analysis: The Secure the Border Act of 2023 - National Immigration Forum

This bill analysis includes key takeaways from the Secure the Border Act of 2023.

immigrationforum.org

 

[krichton]

That’s how you deal with the bully. You don’t act like you’re terrified of what they might do next. You say words, the effect of “go ahead, make my day.“

That’s what those European countries need to be doing, not refusing to pay their fair share, and acting surprised when an American president, by that, I mean a president who cares about Americans, says “well, in that case why should we protect you?“

Those Europeans are not stupid. They are not surprised at an American president finally said that. They’re just surprised that it took so long across successive administration.

Any European nation that feels threatened by the Russians should say “attack this country, and it will be the last mistake you’ll ever make. You won’t know what hit you. You won’t wake up and be surprised, you just won’t wake up at all.“

That’s how you deal with a bully, not by whining to mommy for a skirt to hide behind.

There's no "paying their fair share." Who exactly are they paying to? There is no bill. There are no weekly or monthly dues. All NATO guidelines suggest is that each country spend 2% of GDP on their own defense. Stop believing every nonsensical and dumb thing Trump says!

 

[Mac-7]

Democrats gave you a way to fix the border, you dumbasses refused it.

IT'S ON YOU FOOLS. And you'll get bashed upside the head with this as soon as you open your mouth about the border,

The biden-senate bill does not fix anything or reduce the alien invasion

 

[AntonToo]

The biden-senate bill does not fix anything or reduce the alien invasion

Republican from Oklahoma says you are full of shit and lays out specific ways it does fix the border.

Your response? Posting same baseless, counterfactual bullshit you started out with.

 

[Seymour Flops]

There's no "paying their fair share." Who exactly are they paying to? There is no bill. There are no weekly or monthly dues. All NATO guidelines suggest is that each country spend 2% of GDP on their own defense by. Stop believing every nonsensical and dumb thing Trump says!

Spending that 2% is exactly paying a fair share. Yes, which very few of them are doing. Those which are, the US could protect. Those which are not why should we?

 

[Mac-7]

Republican from Oklahoma says you are full of shit.

His long ears and swamp rat tail are starting to show

 

[krichton]

How much did they grab when Trump was president? I would think quite a bit, since supposedly, Trump loves Putin, so put a number to it how many square miles of land did they capture under the trump administration?

Why do you think Trump wanted to leave NATO, and cut aid to Ukraine? What possible higher motive did he have for doing that? Hmmm. Putin was just sitting back and waiting for his buddy in the white house to do all the work for him, and all he would have to do is waltz into Ukraine and then the baltic states after NATO dissolved. It's so obvious this is likely what was discussed during Trump's secret meetings with Putin. And Trump continues to back up this theory by saying he'd encourage russia to attack nato countries. He's literally telling you he's a traitor

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Who here needs to twist his words when they're as plain as day.

Cultists.

What is most hilarious is that they will spend half their time trying to twist his words to shield him from criticism.

And the other half of their time saying what he said was perfect in every way, without twisting it.

These cult sheep don't know whether to shit or go blind anymore.

 

[krichton]

Spending that 2% is exactly paying a fair share. Yes, which very few of them are doing. Those which are, the US could protect. Those which are not why should we?

It's a guideline, not some forced mandate. Trump thinks of it as a bill that you need to pay. It's not.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Trump thinks of it as a bill that you need to pay.

And his mindless sheep regurgitate it. Gleefully. They are carrying orders from the Orange God. They feel important.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Why do you think Trump wanted to leave NATO, and cut aid to Ukraine? What possible higher motive did he have for doing that? Hmmm.

Spending American taxpayer money on protecting America from invasion, instead of France et al, who show little interest in protecting themselves.

Putin was just sitting back and waiting for his buddy in the white house to do all the work for him, and all he would have to do is waltz into Ukraine and then the baltic states after NATO dissolved.

Yet, he waltzed in anyway but only after Trump left office.

You know that Ukraine is not in NATO?

It's so obvious this is likely what was discussed during Trump's secret meetings with Putin.

Evidence?

And Trump continues to back up this theory by saying he'd encourage russia to attack nato countries. He's literally telling you he's a traitor

Traitor is encouraging people to invade the U S. You know, surge to the border?

Since you won’t answer: Russia took zero square miles while Trump was president. That’s what diplomacy from a position of strength gets you. Biden’s approach got Ukraine invaded and more wealth for arms merchants.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Spending American taxpayer money on protecting America from invasion, instead of France et al, who show little interest in protecting themselves

Such a bizarre and stupid lie.

 

[Seymour Flops]

It's a guideline, not some forced mandate. Trump thinks of it as a bill that you need to pay. It's not.

Protecting those deadbeat countries is something you seem to think of as a bill we need to pay.

It’s not.

You have yet to explain why we would agreed to defend countries that don’t even bother to spend the money to defend themselves. If it isn’t worth it to them, why should it be worth it to us?

 

[eagle1462010]

There's no "paying their fair share." Who exactly are they paying to? There is no bill. There are no weekly or monthly dues. All NATO guidelines suggest is that each country spend 2% of GDP on their own defense. Stop believing every nonsensical and dumb thing Trump says!

The fact they are whining is exactly why they should do more. They are spoiled of decades of us protecting them.

Time for them to do their part in their own defense.

 

[krichton]

Spending American taxpayer money on protecting America from invasion, instead of France et al, who show little interest in protecting themselves.

Yet, he waltzed in anyway but only after Trump left office.

You know that Ukraine is not in NATO?

Evidence?

Traitor is encouraging people to invade the U S. You know, surge to the border?

Since you won’t answer: Russia took zero square miles while Trump was president. That’s what diplomacy from a position of strength gets you. Biden’s approach got Ukraine invaded and more wealth for arms merchants.

Is Putin currently waltzing? How's that 3 day special operation to take kyiv and Ukraine coming along?

Who said Ukraine was in Nato?

Putin didn't make his move because he was waiting for his lackey to finish the job they had hatched in those secret meetings they had together. Why would Putin attack before Trump finished blackmailing Zelensky and leaving NATO? That would be quite dumb. He only attacked Ukraine when Trump turned out didn't get the job done. He's an incompetent lackey if Putin ever saw one. If he were one of Putin's generals he would have "accidentally" fallen out of a 15 story building already.

 

[krichton]

The fact they are whining is exactly why they should do more. They are spoiled of decades of us protecting them.

Time for them to do their part in their own defense.

Who among NATO exactly is whining to the US? Show me

 

[Lastamender]

If you can't see Russia's ambition is to grab as much land through force, as possible, you truly are deaf, blind and stupid.

Maybe they should try an unarmed mob. Those things can topple superpowers.