Trump caught on tape

[Dante Reawakened]

Nonsense.
Can a president give copies of classified docs to senators, ambassadors, allies, etc.?
Of course he can.
The classified docs laws are very explicit to totally exempt presidents and VPs, who much conduct diplomacy as they see fit.
And no one else gets any say.

The claim he was no longer president is pointless, since when president he can give copies to himself.
And the courts have already ruled executive privilege over classified docs never goes away.

The claim it violates NARA or PRA is also nonsense, since those are just based on FOIA, and are satisfied by copies from the original source, and do not require anything from, the president.

What do you think Trump is actually going to be charged with? Your posts seem to be regurgitated nonsense, spin, deflection.

Under the Presidential Records Act, presidential records are considered federal property and are required to be turned over to NARA upon the president leaving office. On January 20, 2021, Trump left the White House for his home in Florida. Members of Trump’s transition team were responsible for packing his things and were required by the General Services Administration to certify in writing “that the items being shipped were required to wind down the Office of the Former President and would be utilized as the Office transitioned to its new location in Florida.” In May 2021, NARA found that documents were missing from the material received from Trump when he left office; the agency requested the records from Trump on or around May 6, 2021. NARA then engaged in prolonged discussions with Trump representatives to acquire the records.

In late December 2021, NARA was informed by a Trump representative that at least 12 boxes of records had been found at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence. In January 2022, Trump’s team turned over 15 boxes of documents from Mar-a-Lago to NARA for their review; NARA determined that 14 of those 15 boxes contained classified material and, in February, referred the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation. After several months and repeated attempts to retrieve additional documents, on May 11, 2022, the Justice Department obtained a grand jury subpoena seeking “any and all” documents bearing classification markings in Trump’s possession. Investigators suspect, based on witness statements, security camera footage, and other documentary evidence, that following the subpoena, Trump personally examined documents stored at Mar-a-Lago.

Donald Trump is likely to be indicted soon related to classified documents at Mar-a-Lago. Here’s what he may be charged with. - CREW | Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington

It is very likely that Trump will soon face his first federal indictment for his possession and mishandling of over 300 classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago residence.

www.citizensforethics.org

 

[Dante Reawakened]

Wrong.
First of all, the courts have already ruled that presidents retain classified doc authority even after out of office, and all a president would have to do is give copies of all his docs to himself, just like he can give them to senators, ambassadors, and allies.
Classified docs never have to be returned.
They have no expiration date.

Homework assignment: please read. There will be a test.

Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978 | National Archives

www.archives.gov

Can a Former US President Claim ‘Executive Privilege’ Over His Presidential Records?

Supreme Court has affirmed a former president's executive privilege but in cases of dispute between a former and incumbent president, ultimate authority rests with current occupant of White House

www.voanews.com

 

[0311]

Dinosaur: who the eff says 'Stalinists' these days?

People desperate to find a useless insult.

 

[LeroyDumonde]

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Correct. The law requires that the NARA shall have custody and control of Presidential records. The FPOTUS or his designee can have access through the NARA to the records.

Section 2205 (3) does not mean that Presidential Records are the personal property of the FPOTUS and he gets to take them with him when he leaves office. The law specificially states that Presidential Records are the property of the United States Government.

WW

By Section 2203(f) the President is responsible for custody, so President Trump is fully within his rights to take them to MAL if he wants. By Section 2203(g) after Trump left office the Archivist assumes RESPONSIBILITY for custody. If the Archivist allowed Trump to retain those documents while they were sorting through them to determine which records would go to which storage facility then he has that authority. At some point there was a dispute between Trump and the Archivist over the physical possession of the documents which resulted in the FBI taking the documents and returning them to the Archivist. Trump may have been wrong to dispute with the Archivist, but there was no crime.

 

[IM2]

Yes, he can. I provided information on that yesterday.

No he can't. That's a fact.

 

[IM2]

Trump doesn't have to answer every question from the biased liberal media.

What biased media? The same media that gives trump free air time each time he pulls a stunt?

 

[IM2]

By Section 2203(f) the President is responsible for custody, so President Trump is fully within his rights to take them to MAL if he wants. By Section 2203(g) after Trump left office the Archivist assumes RESPONSIBILITY for custody. If the Archivist allowed Trump to retain those documents while they were sorting through them to determine which records would go to which storage facility then he has that authority. At some point there was a dispute between Trump and the Archivist over the physical possession of the documents which resulted in the FBI taking the documents and returning them to the Archivist. Trump may have been wrong to dispute with the Archivist, but there was no crime.

BS.

 

[WorldWatcher]

By Section 2203(f) the President is responsible for custody, so President Trump is fully within his rights to take them to MAL if he wants. By Section 2203(g) after Trump left office the Archivist assumes RESPONSIBILITY for custody. If the Archivist allowed Trump to retain those documents while they were sorting through them to determine which records would go to which storage facility then he has that authority. At some point there was a dispute between Trump and the Archivist over the physical possession of the documents which resulted in the FBI taking the documents and returning them to the Archivist. Trump may have been wrong to dispute with the Archivist, but there was no crime.

Section 2203(f) says "During a President’s term of office, the Archivist may maintain and preserve Presidential records on behalf of the President, including records in digital or electronic form. The President shall remain exclusively responsible for custody, control and access to such Presidential records."

At noon on January 20, the FPOTUS was no longer POTUS and the NARA assumed full responsibility of Presidential Records.

The Archivist didn't allow Trump to retain documents for sorting. The Archivist attempted for 16 months to get documents returned and the FPOTUS stonewalled.

There is no "dispute" over physical Presidential Records, the law is very clear. Presidential Records, as defined by the PRA of 1978, are the property of the United States Government.

What resulted in the FBI taking the documents was a court order (search warrant) based on probably cause after 18 months of the FPOTUS to returned (A) United States Government Property and (B) his illegal possession of classified documents.

WW

 

[LeroyDumonde]

Section 2203(f) says "During a President’s term of office, the Archivist may maintain and preserve Presidential records on behalf of the President, including records in digital or electronic form. The President shall remain exclusively responsible for custody, control and access to such Presidential records."

At noon on January 20, the FPOTUS was no longer POTUS and the NARA assumed full responsibility of Presidential Records.

The Archivist didn't allow Trump to retain documents for sorting. The Archivist attempted for 16 months to get documents returned and the FPOTUS stonewalled.

There is no "dispute" over physical Presidential Records, the law is very clear. Presidential Records, as defined by the PRA of 1978, are the property of the United States Government.

What resulted in the FBI taking the documents was a court order (search warrant) based on probably cause after 18 months of the FPOTUS to returned (A) United States Government Property and (B) his illegal possession of classified documents.

WW

The second that Trump left office the Archivist had the authority and ability to seize the documents, but chose not to. That means that he was granting Trump the right to possession until the moment the documents were seized by the FBI. The Archivist's dilly dallying is not Trump's fault. By law Trump has legal access to those documents. By the Archivist's inaction he allowed Trump to possess the documents, which the Archivist is legally allowed to do. Sorry, but there was no crime here. Just a dickweed former President and an incompetent Archivist making a mess of things.

 

[WorldWatcher]

That means that he was granting Trump the right to possession until the moment the documents were seized by the FBI.

I'm sorry it's not clear.

Was that sarcasm? If so, pretty good.

If it wasn't I highly suggest you write a letter to the FPOTUS lawyers so they can try it in court. Of course it will only help to convict their client as any Judge and reasonable person on the Jury is going to laugh at it.

WW

 

[Synthaholic]

 

[Rawley]

The Archivist didn't allow Trump to retain documents for sorting.

Why not? It was a courtesy afforded every single other President, wasn't it?

 

[LeroyDumonde]

I'm sorry it's not clear.

Was that sarcasm? If so, pretty good.

If it wasn't I highly suggest you write a letter to the FPOTUS lawyers so they can try it in court. Of course it will only help to convict their client as any Judge and reasonable person on the Jury is going to laugh at it.

WW

No charges have been brought, but if they are I'll take your suggestion under all the advisement that it merits.

 

[Faun]

By Section 2203(f) the President is responsible for custody, so President Trump is fully within his rights to take them to MAL if he wants. By Section 2203(g) after Trump left office the Archivist assumes RESPONSIBILITY for custody. If the Archivist allowed Trump to retain those documents while they were sorting through them to determine which records would go to which storage facility then he has that authority. At some point there was a dispute between Trump and the Archivist over the physical possession of the documents which resulted in the FBI taking the documents and returning them to the Archivist. Trump may have been wrong to dispute with the Archivist, but there was no crime.

"At some point there was a dispute..."

Yeah, that dispute was Trump's lawyers telling the FBI they turned over all of the classified documents; but then the FBI learning that was a lie. There were more. Hence, the FBI was able to obtain a search warrant to retrieve the rest.

 

[Redfish]

Begs the question as to why NARA didn't provide Trump with a NARA storage facility.

they did, he had a certified SCIF at Mara Lago where the docs were kept.

 

[Redfish]

Interesting.
Can you point to any obstruction committed by either Pence or Biden? Any subpoenas or search warrants?

hundreds of classified documents in Biden's garage and 4 other unsecure places. He got and kept them when he was VP so he had no legal right to have them. fricken hypocrite.

 

[Redfish]

Bottom line: the dems, libs and lying media are scared shitless that Trump will expose their corruption and treason in a second term. That is why they are so determined to make up shit to destroy him.

 

[WorldWatcher]

they did, he had a certified SCIF at Mara Lago where the docs were kept.

"Had" being the operative word. While President - Yes. Once be became FPOTUS - No he didn't.

(There was a temporary SCIF certification while he was President. That was removed when he left office.)

WW

 

[Redfish]

"Had" being the operative word. While President - Yes. Once be became FPOTUS - No he didn't.

(There was a temporary SCIF certification while he was President. That was removed when he left office.)

WW

wrong, but believe it if it makes you feel good.

 

[Marener]

they did, he had a certified SCIF at Mara Lago where the docs were kept.

The storage closet that held most of Trump’s documents was not a SCIF.

Furthermore, the FBI found documents just hanging out in his desk drawers is his office, definitely not a SCIF.