Trump caught on tape

[Synthaholic]

There are procedures for declassification. A president cannot just disregard those procedures. The National Archive has documented 16 times where they made trump aware of those procedures and the steps he needed to take - under law - to declassify any documents.

LEARN TO ******* READ THE NEWS, WINGNUTS!

 

[Rigby5]

Donald Trump is going to jail.

He is a jerk, greedy, and sleazy, but he has not committed any crimes at all yet.

 

[Dante Reawakened]

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Is OAN the Leading Edge of Russian Misinformation?

The Biden campaign says Trump’s favorite TV network is peddling the Kremlin’s lies.

www.theatlantic.com

In the audio that has been released elsewhere so far, Biden is heard dangling the promise of financial aid to Ukraine if its government ousted a prosecutor who was seen as corrupt—which Biden has previously said publicly was his goal, as part of a push for widespread reforms. Conspiracists have alleged that this was intended to help his son Hunter escape charges of corruption, but an audit by Ukraine’s former top prosecutor released last week found no evidence of illegal activity by Hunter in his capacity as an energy-company board member.

Ukraine found no evidence against Hunter Biden in case audit: former top prosecutor​

KIEV (Reuters) - An audit of thousands of old case files by Ukrainian prosecutors found no evidence of wrongdoing on the part of Hunter Biden, the former prosecutor general, who had launched the audit, told Reuters.

Ukraine found no evidence against Hunter Biden in case audit: former top prosecutor

An audit of thousands of old case files by Ukrainian prosecutors found no evidence of wrongdoing on the part of Hunter Biden, the former prosecutor general, who had launched the audit, told Reuters.

www.reuters.com

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DR

 

[Rigby5]

Can you list a single legal criminal charge that says this?



fool

Biden has classified docs, just as Hillary did.
But if they were given to him by a president, they are perfectly legal to possess.

 

[Faun]

Presidents can classify or declassify at will, but that has nothing to do with the documents Trump retained, because presidents can give out classified doc copies to whomever they want, without declassifying, including to themselves.

So clearly Trump committed no crime.

Sure they do. But if they never tell anyone or mark up declassified stuff as unclassified, then it's not.

 

[Dante Reawakened]

Biden has classified docs, just as Hillary did.
But if they were given to him by a president, they are perfectly legal to possess.

More than just Presidents and VP's -- other officials unerringly take documents they have to return. It happens often.

What does not happen ever (that we know of) are anyone refusing to return documents, lying to the FBI about it and ignoring federal subpoenas.

 

[Rawley]

Aww, poor, shittiest lawyer. You're so lost. Even worse, you reveal more about yourself than I'm sure you intended with those homoerotic fantasies of yours.

Yup. It's all about me.

 

[Dante Reawakened]

Presidents can classify or declassify at will, but that has nothing to do with the documents Trump retained, because presidents can give out classified doc copies to whomever they want, without declassifying, including to themselves.

So clearly Trump committed no crime.

Really? Tell it to the judge.

That is a seriously poor defense.

 

[Rigby5]

Is OAN the Leading Edge of Russian Misinformation?

The Biden campaign says Trump’s favorite TV network is peddling the Kremlin’s lies.

www.theatlantic.com

Ukraine found no evidence against Hunter Biden in case audit: former top prosecutor​

KIEV (Reuters) - An audit of thousands of old case files by Ukrainian prosecutors found no evidence of wrongdoing on the part of Hunter Biden, the former prosecutor general, who had launched the audit, told Reuters.

Ukraine found no evidence against Hunter Biden in case audit: former top prosecutor

An audit of thousands of old case files by Ukrainian prosecutors found no evidence of wrongdoing on the part of Hunter Biden, the former prosecutor general, who had launched the audit, told Reuters.

www.reuters.com

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DR

That is ridiculous.
The old Ukrainian prosecutor, Shokin was deliberately and illegally fired because he had just STARTED investigating Burisma Holdings, and was not allowed to finish.
So there are NO OLD CASE FILES to go through.
Trump requested an investigation, and IT NEVER HAPPENED.
Clearly Hunter Biden got paid millions for doing absolutely NOTHING.
And since the replacement prosecutor was in on the scam, he of course is not going to find anything.

If this had bee a REAL investigation, then all receipts to and from Burisma Holdings would be made public.

 

[Rigby5]

Really? Tell it to the judge.

That is a seriously poor defense.

Nonsense.
Can a president give copies of classified docs to senators, ambassadors, allies, etc.?
Of course he can.
The classified docs laws are very explicit to totally exempt presidents and VPs, who much conduct diplomacy as they see fit.
And no one else gets any say.

The claim he was no longer president is pointless, since when president he can give copies to himself.
And the courts have already ruled executive privilege over classified docs never goes away.

The claim it violates NARA or PRA is also nonsense, since those are just based on FOIA, and are satisfied by copies from the original source, and do not require anything from, the president.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Not exactly.
If the president is giving a classified doc to someone else or himself, he would not want it "declassified", because "declassified" means it is public and anyone can view it.
What Trump did instead was to simply extend his executive privilege to conduct diplomacy.
Same as if he gave a classified copy to a senator, ambassador, ally, etc.
He can do whatever he wants with them.

Until noon on his last day of his term (January 20). After that he no longer has Presidential privilege.

Hence his legal jeopardy with the MAL doc's since leaving office. He's admitted he still had classified documents after that date.

WW

 

[Rigby5]

A pity Trump didn't fully cooperate like Biden did.

I agree he should have, but legally did not have to.
As ex-president, he is top dog to all classified docs during his administration.

 

[Rigby5]

You post your utter ignorance so casually and confidently. It's true that ignorance is bliss.

Read the laws.
That is what they not only clearly state, but it is obvious that is the only it could ever be.
All institutions or individuals that create or possess classified docs, do so at the pleasure of the president.
There is not a single classified doc law or regulation that ever says anything other than presidents, (and VPs)_, can do whatever they want with all classified docs.

 

[Rigby5]

Until noon on his last day of his term (January 20). After that he no longer has Presidential privilege.

Hence his legal jeopardy with the MAL doc's since leaving office. He's admitted he still had classified documents after that date.

WW

Wrong.
First of all, the courts have already ruled that presidents retain classified doc authority even after out of office, and all a president would have to do is give copies of all his docs to himself, just like he can give them to senators, ambassadors, and allies.
Classified docs never have to be returned.
They have no expiration date.

 

[Faun]

Not exactly.
If the president is giving a classified doc to someone else or himself, he would not want it "declassified", because "declassified" means it is public and anyone can view it.
What Trump did instead was to simply extend his executive privilege to conduct diplomacy.
Same as if he gave a classified copy to a senator, ambassador, ally, etc.
He can do whatever he wants with them.

Utter nonsense. Trump left his executive privilege at thd door when he moved out of the White House.

 

[Dante Reawakened]

That is ridiculous.
The old Ukrainian prosecutor, Shokin was deliberately and illegally fired because he had just STARTED investigating Burisma Holdings, and was not allowed to finish.
So there are NO OLD CASE FILES to go through.
Trump requested an investigation, and IT NEVER HAPPENED.
Clearly Hunter Biden got paid millions for doing absolutely NOTHING.
And since the replacement prosecutor was in on the scam, he of course is not going to find anything.

If this had bee a REAL investigation, then all receipts to and from Burisma Holdings would be made public.

Try reading some facts vs reading and regurgitating opinions and accusations.

Ukrainian prosecutors and anti-corruption activists with knowledge of the matter argue that the timeline of developments in the Burisma case and Shokin's stint as chief prosecutor simply does not fit the narrative being put forward by Trump and his allies.


Moreover, they say that Shokin himself was the biggest obstacle standing in the way of the investigation.

Why Was Ukraine's Top Prosecutor Fired? The Issue At The Heart Of The Dispute Gripping Washington

U.S. President Donald Trump asserts that Joe Biden pushed for the ouster of Ukraine’s chief prosecutor to quash a probe into a Burisma, a gas company with Biden's son on its board. Officials and anti-corruption activists in Kyiv say Prosecutor-General Viktor Shokin had shelved the case long...

www.rferl.org

Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason
Trump and his allies claim.

It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it
was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to
a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and
Europe.

Shokin's inaction prompted international calls for his ouster and ultimately resulted in his
removal by Ukraine's parliament.

Without pressure from Joe Biden, European diplomats, the International Monetary
Fund and other international organizations, Shokin would not have been fired, said Daria
Kaleniuk, co-founder and executive director of the Anti Corruption Action Centre in Kiev

https://www.congress.gov/116/meeting/house/110331/documents/HMKP-116-JU00-20191211-SD440.pdf

 

[Faun]

I agree he should have, but legally did not have to.
As ex-president, he is top dog to all classified docs during his administration.

He's not "top dog" anymore. Biden is.

 

[Synthaholic]

And the courts have already ruled executive privilege over classified docs never goes away.

You pulled this out of your ass. **** off.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Wrong.
First of all, the courts have already ruled that presidents retain classified doc authority even after out of office, and all a president would have to do is give copies of all his docs to himself, just like he can give them to senators, ambassadors, and allies.
Classified docs never have to be returned.
They have no expiration date.

Post the ruling please.

FPOTUS's ONLY have access by law to Presidential Records from their term. They do not have a blanket security clearance, nor do ex-Presidents have authority to create new classified documents, nor do ex-Presidents have authority to declassify. Those powers belong to the Office of the President and after noon on the last day of their term they are no long President.

Any access to classified information (outside their Presidential Records) located within the NARA is granted at the pleasure of the next (and subsequent) administrations. IIRC, the FPOTUS Trump isn't getting classified intelligence briefings because the current administration sees no value in it as the FPOTUS Trump wouldn't have any value insights to provide.

WW

 

[Synthaholic]

All institutions or individuals that create or possess classified docs, do so at the pleasure of the president.

President. Not Ex-President.