Trump caught on tape

[Faun]

Biden is who should be in trouble over possession of classifed documents, not Trump.

Why? Biden returned documents. He didn't hide them AFTER being caught with them.

 

[Faun]

1). You aren't showing here any such "confession", as you claim.

He claims he declassified. Why on Earth would he make such a claim had someone else "planted" them in his office?

 

[Delldude]

Who cares? What does the classification status have to do with obstruction of justice?

They didn't belong to him regardless of classification,.they belong to the american people.

Obstructing justice by moving boxes? I read Smith is having problems determining exactly what was in those boxes.

 

[Delldude]

Why? Biden returned documents. He didn't hide them AFTER being caught with them.

What ones, the ones in Chinatown or his garage or Georgetown University or the Biden Center?

 

[BS Filter]

He claims he declassified. Why on Earth would he make such a claim had someone else "planted" them in his office?

Do shiny objects usually get your attention easily? You know, like a lure attracts a fish.

 

[Faun]

What ones, the ones in Chinatown or his garage or Georgetown University or the Biden Center?

All of them.

 

[Delldude]

All of them.

Explain how he ended up with classified doc's in his home/office as a sitting Senator. I do not believe he had any authority whatsoever to remove classified material out of DC.

 

[Faun]

Do shiny objects usually get your attention easily? You know, like a lure attracts a fish.

No. Why?

 

[Faun]

Explain how he ended up with classified doc's in his home/office as a sitting Senator. I do not believe he had any authority whatsoever to remove classified material out of DC.

I can only guess he had possession of them while he was a Senator and either he, or someone he asked, brought them to his home & office.

 

[Stann]

The President can declassify by simply saying it. Fact.

Not a fact, NO ONE is exempt from the process of declassification . Otherwise, no one would know what the hell is going on, like trump and his supporters.

 

[meaner gene]

The President can declassify by simply saying it. Fact.

Not a fact, NO ONE is exempt from the process of declassification . Otherwise, no one would know what the hell is going on, like trump and his supporters.

This is where people are confused. The presidents power is in declassifying "information" not documents.

As I pointed out, the president can't have two identical documents on his desk, and he declassifies the one on the right, while the one on the left remains classified.

It doesn't work that way.

Which is why a president can't just declassify a documents, because the intelligence agencies have to know what information was in the declassified documents, and declassify that information in other documents as well.

 

[Stann]

This is where people are confused. The presidents power is in declassifying "information" not documents.

As I pointed out, the president can't have two identical documents on his desk, and he declassifies the one on the right, while the one on the left remains classified.

It doesn't work that way.

Which is why a president can't just declassify a documents, because the intelligence agencies have to know what information was in the declassified documents, and declassify that information in other documents as well.

So he has to notify the originator of the document so the process can be complete. If that is not done they weren't declassified. Plus the originator has the right to contest the move to declassify if it still endangers national security to do so.

 

[Stann]

So he has to notify the originator of the document so the process can be complete. If that is not done they weren't declassified. Plus the originator has the right to contest the move to declassify if it still endangers national security to do so.

The last sentence that I edited on is a very important aspect of the process.

 

[meaner gene]

So he has to notify the originator of the document so the process can be complete. If that is not done they weren't declassified.

Effectively YES. If someone takes a documents in which the information is still marked as classified, it's treated as classified. The governments prima facia proof is the markings on the documents. They don't have to prove the information is still classified. Instead the person would have to prove the information had been declassified.

Which is why it's a formal process, where everybody knows what was declassified, (or downward classified) and to change the markings on all their documents, reflecting the change.

 

[Stann]

Effectively YES. If someone takes a documents in which the information is still marked as classified, it's treated as classified. The governments prima facia proof is the markings on the documents. They don't have to prove the information is still classified. Instead the person would have to prove the information had been declassified.

Which is why it's a formal process, where everybody knows what was declassified, (or downward classified) and to change the markings on all their documents, reflecting the change.

That's why I laughed when trump said he could declassify simply by using his mind. What a BS Artist.

 

[meaner gene]

That's why I laughed when trump said he could declassify simply by using his mind. What a BS Artist.

Especially since many of the documents he claims he declassified by bringing them back to the residence. He took them there because he didn't have a chance to read them in the oval office, and took them as "homework" to read later.. So Trump would be declassifying information he didn't read, and that he didn't even know he was declassifying.

 

[beagle9]

Not a fact, NO ONE is exempt from the process of declassification . Otherwise, no one would know what the hell is going on, like trump and his supporters.

Y'all keep going back and forth about classifying and declassifying, but without knowing the content of the document's, and/or the reasoning they were declassified for removal or not, then everyone is just pissing in the wind with this back and forth going on.

Maybe they were just presidential archiving records stuff, otherwise that were removed for historical archiving purposes or maybe it was important evidentiary information that would clear Trump as well as serve in future investigations after the smoke clears, otherwise after the Democrat's are out of power. Maybe this is why the FBI was sent to aquire the documents for their Mafia boss Biden.

 

[beagle9]

Effectively YES. If someone takes a documents in which the information is still marked as classified, it's treated as classified. The governments prima facia proof is the markings on the documents. They don't have to prove the information is still classified. Instead the person would have to prove the information had been declassified.

Which is why it's a formal process, where everybody knows what was declassified, (or downward classified) and to change the markings on all their documents, reflecting the change.

Ok, and if extenuating circumstances exist where as the document's were removed for evidentiary purposes, otherwise to be used in lue of the possibility of future litigation, then what would Trump's rights be under that type of reasoning for removing documents that shall remain classified for evidentiary purposes ??

 

[easyt65]

IIRC, on Jun 3, 2022, Trump lawyers handed over an envelope containing some papers to visiting FBI agents, said a diligent search had been conducted and they didn't have any more documents/copies, etc. The FBI agents were prevented from searching any more boxes. Yet, on Aug 8, more documents were found when the FBI served a search warrant.

In Dec 22, some more were found in a storage facility. Finally, in Feb '23, Trump's attorneys handed over a laptop and thumb drive belonging to an aide who worked for a Trump PAC, onto which classified docs were found to have been copied, and had been taken away from MAL.

smh

Remind me - how many times did Biden's lawyers hand over classified to tbe FBI and say, 'That's all there is' ... and then find more ... before the FBI finally decided to search ... and found more?

I love thay story.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Ok, and if extenuating circumstances exist where as the document's were removed for evidentiary purposes, otherwise to be used in lue of the possibility of future litigation, then what would Trump's rights be under that type of reasoning for removing documents that shall remain classified for evidentiary purposes ??

None, you don't have a right to illegally retain property that is not your own.

If the FPOTUS felt that certain documents contained information of evidentiary value, then the PRA of 1978 provides that the FPOTUS or his designated representative has access to NARA storage facilities to review such documents and for non-classified Presidential Records the NARA can provide copies as needed.

WW