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[sealybobo]

Then most economist analyst are dead wrong.

The US is not trying to be isolationists. If we were, we would just cut off trade entirely. The world cannot economically survive without the US consumer. For some reason, that escapes most of you and many of these “serious economic analyst”.

How is there no long term gain by negotiating up with 75+ countries for better deals and leaving China to fend for themselves? You don’t think China will come to the table and that we will ultimately reach a deal that works out better than we currently have? I can guarantee you that will happen. EU absolutely needs the US consumer and they know it. They rely on our consumers and our military. They want no part of not being a partner with the US.

You and the “serious” people are just flat out wrong, but I feel like I am talking to an indoctrinated 21 year old who is taking an economics class and believes he is suddenly an expert because he has absorbed information and propaganda from his leftist professor. That same 21 year old goes on to grad school and becomes a professor himself and spreads more of the nonsense to the next generation. He has never run so much as a lemonade stand, but he is an expert because he has his PhD. You can go on believing these ideologues and I will stick with the opinions from those with real-world experience.

The USA can't survive without the rest of the world. Just like you think the rest f the world needs us. No they don't.

The US is not trying to become isolationist? We were yesterday. Trump's boys were on Fox talking about how jobs were gong to come home and America would enjoy a renaissance where workers would use tiny little screwdrivers to put Iphones together.

I mean they really are talking out of their asses. Yesterday I posted how Trump is saying 3 things at the same time and they can't all be true. You guys argued but I think you know he's saying whatever you want to hear.

Do you want to hear we won? We WON! Happy now? Is America Great Again?

 

[Hollie]

Nope they didn't...

What we are seeing at the moment how MAGA can deform facts in their heads to form a new narrative....

China has less that 3% tariff on US goods overall, EU <2% and Canada <2%....

Got that... Those are facts...

VAT is just a sales tax everyone pays, no competitive advantage for anyone...

If Trump wants to put a Federal Sales Tax on everything... Go on ahead, at least that makes sense...

"Got that... Those are facts..."

".....because I say so".

 

[sealybobo]

Lies never stump me, Simp.

He lied. China was charging us 34% tariffs.

China's finance ministry has announced an 84% tariff on goods imported from the US, retaliating against recent levies imposed by the White House.

The hike in tariffs, from 34%, came after US President Donald Trump's 104% tariff on Chinese goods came into force on Wednesday - they were later increased to 125%.

Trump's tariffs: China retaliates with 84% levy

Manufacturers and exporters are scrambling after 104% tariff on China-made goods comes into effect.

www.bbc.com

Want the truth? China doesn't want our shit. The stuff they want, they don't tariff. The stuff they don't want to buy from us, they tariff. They must want to make and buy those things internally or from other sources. So they don't want American made stuff. I'm okay with that.

But we want their stuff because it's cheap. If you want to stop buying their shit, impose tariffs. But then don't complain for the uneducated blue collar workers who you promised to lower cost of living for in the election. If you want to buy American so do I.

A week ago I paid $5 for 18 eggs. That seem high to you? To me, I don't even notice it. So if American made washing machines cost $1000 more, what do I care? I don't even know what a washing machine costs. So I won't be "shocked" when the price goes up because I don't know what the price is.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Appears he is rightfully focusing harder on China. This is not going to end well for China if Trump rallies their neighbours to Americas side. He bumped it up to 125% which I think is too little. I'd go at least 200% considering the depths and length of duration of Chinas abuses which WTO ignored. 100k Dead each year in America alone would justify 200%

He needs to get Japan, S Korea and other wealthier, democratic, capitalist nations to invest in America. Create jobs in exchange for more open markets and I would argue easier immigration.

Hell I'd go further and have the government fund programs to learn Japanese, Korean etc and have those nations do the same with English. If you can communicate, you can build bridges and economic integration.

The war against America and the West has been on for 30 years, Trump is taking it on when others turtled

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/livestory/trump-says-hes-pausing-10-global-tariff-raising-tariffs-on-china-9.6717027

Trump just posted that he’ll hit pause on the 10 per cent global tariff he imposed last week, but will raise the levies on China to 125 per cent.

Don't brake macs heart while he's in his TDS state of mind.

 

[Nostra]

Next stupid ass post from you will be an insult.

16 Nobel Prize-winning economists say Trump policies will fuel inflation

So you have nothing.

Got it.

Run along, Simp.

 

[jc456]

Oh so the stock market is fine to you so long as it isn’t as bad as 1923 huh? That’s your standard? Does that mean the stock market did great under Biden. Gee I’m sure you thought that all along.

it wasn't as bad as 2022. Why are you worried then? I was letting you know you jumped off a cliff.

But you're a fking demofk with Trump living rent free in your head.

 

[jc456]

Appears he is rightfully focusing harder on China. This is not going to end well for China if Trump rallies their neighbours to Americas side. He bumped it up to 125% which I think is too little. I'd go at least 200% considering the depths and length of duration of Chinas abuses which WTO ignored. 100k Dead each year in America alone would justify 200%

He needs to get Japan, S Korea and other wealthier, democratic, capitalist nations to invest in America. Create jobs in exchange for more open markets and I would argue easier immigration.

Hell I'd go further and have the government fund programs to learn Japanese, Korean etc and have those nations do the same with English. If you can communicate, you can build bridges and economic integration.

The war against America and the West has been on for 30 years, Trump is taking it on when others turtled

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/livestory/trump-says-hes-pausing-10-global-tariff-raising-tariffs-on-china-9.6717027

Trump just posted that he’ll hit pause on the 10 per cent global tariff he imposed last week, but will raise the levies on China to 125 per cent.

what he exposed was how China actually deals in tariffs. They have officially been isolated from the other countries. Stellar move.

 

[Cellblock2429]

If Trump cured cancer these idiots would figure out how to whine and cry about it……..oh wait, Biden already did that.

/----/ This just in...

 

[citygator]

So you have nothing.

Got it.

Run along, Simp.

As predicted he asked for what educated people dont support Trump tariffs. I give him a list of 16 Nobel prize winners in economics. And he runs away with an insult. EVERYONE just saw that.

 

[jc456]

As predicted he asked for what educated people dont support Trump tariffs. I give him a list of 16 Nobel prize winners in economics. And he runs away with an insult. EVERYONE just saw that.

this is all anyone needs to read in that report you linked to say they don't know shit. This says it all.

"While each of us has different views on the particulars of various economic policies, we all agree that Joe Biden's economic agenda is vastly superior to Donald Trump," the economists state in their letter.

 

[Hollie]

As predicted he asked for what educated people dont support Trump tariffs. I give him a list of 16 Nobel prize winners in economics. And he runs away with an insult. EVERYONE just saw that.

Your fallacy of Appeal to authority. EVERYONE saw that.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Nope they didn't...

What we are seeing at the moment how MAGA can deform facts in their heads to form a new narrative....

China has less that 3% tariff on US goods overall, EU <2% and Canada <2%....

Got that... Those are facts...

VAT is just a sales tax everyone pays, no competitive advantage for anyone...

If Trump wants to put a Federal Sales Tax on everything... Go on ahead, at least that makes sense...

 

[sealybobo]

is that why the EU offered 0 tariffs on US industrial products .

Here's the problem. Half of America knows Trump is an idiot and the rest of the world knows he's an idiot. So WE have an idiot leading us.

Maybe they need US industrial products? I'm sure taking US industrial products won't hurt their economies otherwise they wouldn't offer 0 tariffs on US industrial products. Is that going to increase how much they buy from us?

SHOW ME when the US has benefited. For now you guys are going to claim victory on shit that doesn't matter.

And it would have been nice if you provided a link.

​

“If negotiations are not satisfactory, our countermeasures will kick in," said European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen.

Members of the EU — the world’s largest trading bloc — have said they prefer a negotiated deal to resolve a trade war that damages the economies on both sides. The bloc’s top trade official has shuttled between Brussels and Washington for weeks trying to head off a conflict. The EU has offered Trump a “zero for zero” deal in which both sides would eliminate tariffs on industrial goods including autos. Trump has said that’s not enough to answer U.S. concerns and raised the possibility of Europe buying large additional amounts of U.S. liquefied natural gas.

The EU is also working on a further set of countermeasures in response to Trump’s blanket 20% tariff on all European goods, now suspended. That could include measures aimed at U.S. tech companies and the services sector as well as trade in goods.

European Union Pauses Tariff Retaliation For 90 Days To Match Trump

“If negotiations are not satisfactory, our countermeasures will kick in," said European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen.

www.huffpost.com

 

[Hollie]

Here's the problem. Half of America knows Trump is an idiot and the rest of the world knows he's an idiot. So WE have an idiot leading us.

Maybe they need US industrial products? I'm sure taking US industrial products won't hurt their economies otherwise they wouldn't offer 0 tariffs on US industrial products. Is that going to increase how much they buy from us?

SHOW ME when the US has benefited. For now you guys are going to claim victory on shit that doesn't matter.

And it would have been nice if you provided a link.

​

“If negotiations are not satisfactory, our countermeasures will kick in," said European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen.

Members of the EU — the world’s largest trading bloc — have said they prefer a negotiated deal to resolve a trade war that damages the economies on both sides. The bloc’s top trade official has shuttled between Brussels and Washington for weeks trying to head off a conflict. The EU has offered Trump a “zero for zero” deal in which both sides would eliminate tariffs on industrial goods including autos. Trump has said that’s not enough to answer U.S. concerns and raised the possibility of Europe buying large additional amounts of U.S. liquefied natural gas.

The EU is also working on a further set of countermeasures in response to Trump’s blanket 20% tariff on all European goods, now suspended. That could include measures aimed at U.S. tech companies and the services sector as well as trade in goods.

European Union Pauses Tariff Retaliation For 90 Days To Match Trump

“If negotiations are not satisfactory, our countermeasures will kick in," said European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen.

www.huffpost.com

Actually, here’s the problem. Leftists don’t understand some pretty basic models of economics.

 

[Mac-7]

Succeeds in doing what? Let me ask you something. Let's say Trump gets China to drop all tariffs. No tariffs. None. And let's say dildos cost $100 each right now. Do you think the dildo company is going to pass on the savings to you or give their employees a raise because of it?

Trump’s goal is not tariff-free trade with china

We have keep tariffs on china

But other nations can be treated differently

 

[jc456]

Your fallacy of Appeal to authority. EVERYONE saw that.

those pukes in his link said that Xiden's economy was better. That's really all needed to read and throw that link out. It's obvious they had no idea on Trump's plan. I'm unclear how they didn't know, he was quite clear.

 

[jc456]

90-day pause on some tariffs.

Incredible.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/08/stock-market-today-live-updates-.html

Looks like the EU just paused their tariffs for the same 90 days. hmmmmmmmm, that's better for us all around. the 10% tariffs are still in place. He only paused reciprocal tariffs.

 

[Cellblock2429]

90-day pause on some tariffs.

Incredible.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/08/stock-market-today-live-updates-.html

/—-/ Hey Mac…

 

[Mac1958]

As predicted he asked for what educated people dont support Trump tariffs. I give him a list of 16 Nobel prize winners in economics. And he runs away with an insult. EVERYONE just saw that.

Now it's all about tariffs, and maybe someone finally clued him into the fact that he won't be able to deliver on his massive manufacturing promises.

Even if he folds all the way down to 10% across the board, guess who will be most affected?

Lower income people, of course, including his.

 

[g5000]

Man you take it hard when America wins

Did you enjoy your dead cat bounce?