Trump Ballroom Unlikely To Be Built

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markef exactly right....

 

[WorldWatcher]

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Cost of the Obama Presidential Center to Taxpayers​

The Obama Presidential Center — often called the Obama library — is a $830 million project on Chicago’s South Side, plus about $224 million in related infrastructure (roads, transit upgrades, and station improvements) The Pricer. This brings the total public investment to roughly $1.05 billion.

The Obama Library is NOT a Congressional building.

The $224 million in related infrastructure is from local government (Chicago and the State) not federal.

It's like a city or a state vieing for a professional football team and working a deal on a stadium and the city/state kicking in for roads and infrastructure. It generates revenue through tourism.

The Obama Library is a private structure in Chicago, not a fedreal building in DC. Federal property in DC falls under Congress per the Constitution.

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[markef]

The Obama Library is NOT a Congressional building.

So? Are you still griping about Trump renovating the White House with donated funds while justifying Obama building his library with more than $1 billion in taxpayer funds?

 

[WorldWatcher]

So? Are you still griping about Trump renovating the White House with donated funds while justifying Obama building his library with more than $1 billion in taxpayer funds?

No, you are misstating the case.

I'm not complaining that Trump is building a ballroom. I'm pointing out that Trump is violating the law (40 USC 8106) because he did not obtain authorization from Congress. The United States Constitution clearly provides that Congress controls the national seat of power (Article I, Section 8) and CONGRESS clearly said that they have to approve the erection of any building.

* * IF * * he had followed the law and obtained Congressional approval to destory the current building and build a replacement - whether it was funded by the federal government or if Congress had authorized construction via donations. Then that would be fine.

But he didn't.

And you continued attempt to deflect to Obama is both false and lame:

• As to false, the total project cost is about $850 million not a billion and in addition most of that money comes from the Obama Library Foundation through donations. Which is fine since Presidential libraries are privide entities, not a government entity. The cost to taxpayers is about $244 million, and that is roads and infrastructure that Chicago and the State has approved.
• Lame because it's laughable that you have to deflect to a private entity, funding and building a library, and the STATE and CITY providing infrastructure changes and NOT the federal government.

The analysis about federal law (40 USC 8106) starts on PDF page 19. Now it will be on to the appeals court.

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https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/27930071/white-house-ballroom-order.pdf

 

[kyzr]

No, you are misstating the case.

I'm not complaining that Trump is building a ballroom. I'm pointing out that Trump is violating the law (40 USC 8106) because he did not obtain authorization from Congress. The United States Constitution clearly provides that Congress controls the national seat of power (Article I, Section 8) and CONGRESS clearly said that they have to approve the erection of any building.

* * IF * * he had followed the law and obtained Congressional approval to destory the current building and build a replacement - whether it was funded by the federal government or if Congress had authorized construction via donations. Then that would be fine.

But he didn't.

And you continued attempt to deflect to Obama is both false and lame:

• As to false, the total project cost is about $850 million not a billion and in addition most of that money comes from the Obama Library Foundation through donations. Which is fine since Presidential libraries are privide entities, not a government entity. The cost to taxpayers is about $244 million, and that is roads and infrastructure that Chicago and the State has approved.
• Lame because it's laughable that you have to deflect to a private entity, funding and building a library, and the STATE and CITY providing infrastructure changes and NOT the federal government.

The analysis about federal law (40 USC 8106) starts on PDF page 19. Now it will be on to the appeals court.

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Looks like the WH is located on a "Park".

 

[WorldWatcher]

Looks like the WH is located on a "Park".

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So?

A federal park, meaning federal property, meaning according to the law (40 USC 8106) Congress must approve construction because there is this little thing called a Constitution and the Constitution (Article I, Section 8) says that Congress has legislative control of the area and authority over buildings within the land set aside (Washington, D.C.) for the nations capital.

WW

 

[markef]

No, you are misstating the case.

I'm not complaining that Trump is building a ballroom. I'm pointing out that Trump is violating the law (40 USC 8106) because he did not obtain authorization from Congress. The United States Constitution clearly provides that Congress controls the national seat of power (Article I, Section 8) and CONGRESS clearly said that they have to approve the erection of any building.

* * IF * * he had followed the law and obtained Congressional approval to destory the current building and build a replacement - whether it was funded by the federal government or if Congress had authorized construction via donations. Then that would be fine.

But he didn't.

And you continued attempt to deflect to Obama is both false and lame:

• As to false, the total project cost is about $850 million not a billion and in addition most of that money comes from the Obama Library Foundation through donations. Which is fine since Presidential libraries are privide entities, not a government entity. The cost to taxpayers is about $244 million, and that is roads and infrastructure that Chicago and the State has approved.
• Lame because it's laughable that you have to deflect to a private entity, funding and building a library, and the STATE and CITY providing infrastructure changes and NOT the federal government.

The analysis about federal law (40 USC 8106) starts on PDF page 19. Now it will be on to the appeals court.

WW

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https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/27930071/white-house-ballroom-order.pdf

Nobody but TDS leftists who have little or no expertise in proper applications of the law claim Trump is breaking the law by making improvements to the White House at private expense.

Obama promised to fund most of his library through private donations but the majority of those donations ended up being diverted to other leftist causes and organizations, leaving taxpayers to pay more than $1 billion in past and growing expenses.

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Money donated to build Obama library being sent on to politically charged Tides group​

 

[WorldWatcher]

Nobody but TDS leftists who have little or no expertise in proper applications of the law claim Trump is breaking the law by making improvements to the White House at private expense.

Obama promised to fund most of his library through private donations but the majority of those donations ended up being diverted to other leftist causes and organizations, leaving taxpayers to pay more than $1 billion in past and growing expenses.

MSN

Money donated to build Obama library being sent on to politically charged Tides group​

Judge Leon was nominated to his federal judgeship by a Republican President and confirmed by the Senate without a single objection from a Republican Senator.

They say: "If the law is on your side, pound the law. If the facts are on your side pound the facts. If neither, than pound the table."

You are obviously at the pounding the table stage since the law is clear, Congress approval is required by the law. The fact is Trump didn't even attempt to follow the law, so pound the table by attempting to deflect to Obama and his private entity library foundation which has nothing to do with the law or the facts of the case.

Below is a link to the Judges decision which explains the facts and the law in question.

WW

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/27930071/white-house-ballroom-order.pdf

 

[markef]

Judge Leon was nominated to his federal judgeship by a Republican President and confirmed by the Senate without a single objection from a Republican Senator.

They say: "If the law is on your side, pound the law. If the facts are on your side pound the facts. If neither, than pound the table."

You are obviously at the pounding the table stage since the law is clear, Congress approval is required by the law. The fact is Trump didn't even attempt to follow the law, so pound the table by attempting to deflect to Obama and his private entity library foundation which has nothing to do with the law or the facts of the case.

Below is a link to the Judges decision which explains the facts and the law in question.

WW

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/27930071/white-house-ballroom-order.pdf

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I'm not worried what any judge may have said. In the end no judge will solve any problem by objecting to finishing the ballroom that obviously will have to be finished.

 

[WorldWatcher]

I'm not worried what any judge may have said. In the end no judge will solve any problem by objecting to finishing the ballroom that obviously will have to be finished.

No it doesn't have to be finished. As a ballroom.

Congress can authorize

• The current ballroom as planned.
• A reduced ballroom more appropriate in size to the other White House grounds structures.
• A different type of building alltogether such as one used for office space like the old Eastern Structure.
• Fill in the existing hole and turn it into a garden.

The fact is that per the Constitution (Article I, Section 8) and the law (40 USC 8106), Congress is responsibile for buildings in the captial since they are federal property, they are not the personal property of Trump.

WW

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/27930071/white-house-ballroom-order.pdf

 

[markef]

No it doesn't have to be finished. As a ballroom.

Congress can authorize

• The current ballroom as planned.
• A reduced ballroom more appropriate in size to the other White House grounds structures.
• A different type of building alltogether such as one used for office space like the old Eastern Structure.
• Fill in the existing hole and turn it into a garden.

The fact is that per the Constitution (Article I, Section 8) and the law (40 USC 8106), Congress is responsibile for buildings in the captial since they are federal property, they are not the personal property of Trump.

WW

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/27930071/white-house-ballroom-order.pdf

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Maybe the TDS leftist judge has some DEI architect in mind to redesign the ballroom to match Obama's library design according to the judges supreme imperial decree?

 

[kyzr]

So? A federal park, meaning federal property, meaning according to the law (40 USC 8106) Congress must approve construction because there is this little thing called a Constitution and the Constitution (Article I, Section 8) says that Congress has legislative control of the area and authority over buildings within the land set aside (Washington, D.C.) for the nations capital. WW

So you have a point saying congress has to approve "new buildings".

However, since the new ballroom is connected to the Whitehouse Trump can say its a "renovation" replacing the East Wing not a "new building". I'm sure he will build it and deal with the fallout afterward.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Maybe the TDS leftist judge has some DEI architect in mind to redesign the ballroom to match Obama's library design according to the judges supreme imperial decree?

#1 This word salad makes no sense.

#2 Still trying to deflect to Obama's library which (a) isn't in D.C. and therefore not under Congressional control, and (b) a private entity in Chicago, IL just highlight how you can't argue with 40 USC 8106.

So pound that table when you don't have the law or the facts to support your claim.

WW


https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/27930071/white-house-ballroom-order.pdf

 

[WorldWatcher]

So you have a point saying congress has to approve "new buildings".

However, since the new ballroom is connected to the Whitehouse Trump can say its a "renovation" replacing the East Wing not a "new building". I'm sure he will build it and deal with the fallout afterward.

The new building isn't connected to the White House, they tore down the walkway also.

Now here were I live there is side step to new building permits that some builders will use to get their work classified as a renovation. That is leave one wall standing, then integrate it into the new structure. Then it falls under renovation rules, not new construction for approval. But Trump didn't do even that. He raised the entire east building and the walkway that connected it to the White House.

Whether he will build or not is yet to be seen. Depends on what happens with the appeal to the Judges order. And no head of construction or workers on a construction project are going to continue working when they start getting contempt of court charges levied against them with fines and possible jail time.

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[markef]

#1 This word salad makes no sense.

#2 Still trying to deflect to Obama's library which (a) isn't in D.C. and therefore not under Congressional control, and (b) a private entity in Chicago, IL just highlight how you can't argue with 40 USC 8106.

So pound that table when you don't have the law or the facts to support your claim.

WW


https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/27930071/white-house-ballroom-order.pdf

Maybe democrats are not only mad they were not allowed to dictate to Trump whether or not he could renovate the White House but are also angry with him for not hiring some leftist DEI architect asking four times the value of architectural service to create one of the ugliest designs possible.

 

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Cost of the Obama Presidential Center to Taxpayers​

The Obama Presidential Center — often called the Obama library — is a $830 million project on Chicago’s South Side, plus about $224 million in related infrastructure (roads, transit upgrades, and station improvements) The Pricer. This brings the total public investment to roughly $1.05 billion.

The library is nearly 600 million over budget. Kinda of like how Obama ran the country when it was his regime.

 

[Meister]

The Obama Library is NOT a Congressional building.

The $224 million in related infrastructure is from local government (Chicago and the State) not federal.

It's like a city or a state vieing for a professional football team and working a deal on a stadium and the city/state kicking in for roads and infrastructure. It generates revenue through tourism.

The Obama Library is a private structure in Chicago, not a fedreal building in DC. Federal property in DC falls under Congress per the Constitution.

WW

And being built on Trump and friends dime. Sounds like a good investment
for America to those that have common sense.

If Obama had done this, you would be praising him. But, it's Trump.

 

[kyzr]

The new building isn't connected to the White House, they tore down the walkway also.

Yes it is. Plus the new secret bunker is.

Now here were I live there is side step to new building permits that some builders will use to get their work classified as a renovation. That is leave one wall standing, then integrate it into the new structure. Then it falls under renovation rules, not new construction for approval. But Trump didn't do even that. He raised the entire east building and the walkway that connected it to the White House.

I'm sure there are some remnants of the old East Wing to give the "renovation" argument a leg to stand on.

Whether he will build or not is yet to be seen. Depends on what happens with the appeal to the Judges order. And no head of construction or workers on a construction project are going to continue working when they start getting contempt of court charges levied against them with fines and possible jail time. WW

LOL..what if Trump gives everyone a "preemptive pardon" for all activities related to the new ballroom?

 

[WorldWatcher]

And being built on Trump and friends dime. Sounds like a good investment
for America to those that have common sense.

Who is paying for it it is irrelevant to the Constitution (Article I, Section 8) and the United States Code (40 USC 8106).

If Obama had done this, you would be praising him. But, it's Trump.

No I wouldn't.

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[WorldWatcher]

Yes it is.

No, the tore down the walkway. So the connection was severed.

They will build a NEW walkway.

Plus the new secret bunker is.

If the bunker is secret, you wouldn't know about it.

I'm sure there are some remnants of the old East Wing to give the "renovation" argument a leg to stand on.

Look at photographs, it and the walkway were totally demolshed and removed.

LOL..what if Trump gives everyone a "preemptive pardon" for all activities related to the new ballroom?

It would be an interesting pissing contest.

#1 There is no such thing as "preemptive pardons" for future crimes. Pardons are for crimes already committed.

#2 It would be interesting if that were to piss off Congress enough to actually take action. Such as canceling the business licenses and various certfications of the business enitities involved. Under the US Constitution Congress has control of the district (Article I, Section 8) so if Congress were to suspend the ability for the construction firms to perform actions, that would be a civil matter beyond the Presidents pardon powers (which are for crimes only).

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