Trump Ballroom Unlikely To Be Built

[kyzr]

No, the tore down the walkway. So the connection was severed. They will build a NEW walkway. If the bunker is secret, you wouldn't know about it. Look at photographs, it and the walkway were totally demolished and removed.

We can argue that since it will be connected to the WH, it is a renovation to the East Wing, not a new building.

Preemptive pardons would be an interesting pissing contest.
#1 There is no such thing as "preemptive pardons" for future crimes. Pardons are for crimes already committed.

Biden issues pre-emptive pardons for siblings, Fauci and 6 Jan riot committee

The outgoing president says the action will prevent "unjustified... politically motivated prosecutions".

www.bbc.com

#2 It would be interesting if that were to piss off Congress enough to actually take action. Such as canceling the business licenses and various certifications of the business entities involved. Under the US Constitution Congress has control of the district (Article I, Section 8) so if Congress were to suspend the ability for the construction firms to perform actions, that would be a civil matter beyond the Presidents pardon powers (which are for crimes only). WW

Congress can't agree on what day it is, they would never agree to punish contractors for building a new ballroom.

 

[WorldWatcher]

We can argue that since it will be connected to the WH, it is a renovation to the East Wing, not a new building. The courts can decide.

You can, but make no sense because the walkway was taken out severing any connection to the old building.

Biden issues pre-emptive pardons for siblings, Fauci and 6 Jan riot committee

The outgoing president says the action will prevent "unjustified... politically motivated prosecutions".

www.bbc.com

Congress can't agree on what day it is, they would never agree to punish contractors for building a new ballroom.

Probably.

But you asked "what if...", so I gave you a "what if..." scenerio, not a "this is what will happen...".

WW

 

[markef]

Who is paying for it it is irrelevant to the Constitution (Article I, Section 8) and the United States Code (40 USC 8106).



No I wouldn't.

WW

Democrats find obscure laws to twist to condemn Trump because they hate Trump not because they care anything about US laws.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

/—-/ We’ll see in 12 days.

Uh, then the ruling goes into full effect. Trump has to win an appeal.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Democrats find obscure laws to twist to condemn Trump because they hate Trump not because they care anything about US laws.

#1 I'm not a DEM, I'm an anti-Trump Republican more along the lines of Goldwater Republicans.

#2 The Constituition (Article I, Section 8) and United States Code (40 USC 8106) is not "some obsure law".

WW

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Democrats find obscure laws to twist to condemn Trump because they hate Trump not because they care anything about US laws.

Just because YOU know less than nothing about something does not make it, "obscure".

 

[markef]

#1 I'm not a DEM, I'm an anti-Trump Republican more along the lines of Goldwater Republicans.

#2 The Constituition (Article I, Section 8) and United States Code (40 USC 8106) is not "some obsure law".

WW

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With all the ongoing lawbreaking in the US particularly with regards to violations of immigration laws, how important is it that we interpret this rule so narrowly as to stop construction that everyone knows must be completed?

 

[JoeB131]

With all the ongoing lawbreaking in the US particularly with regards to violations of immigration laws, how important is it that we interpret this rule so narrowly as to stop construction that everyone knows must be completed?

You can't expect everyone else to follow the law if you have a law-breaking President, can you?

There's no reason to complete this construction. In fact, it would be better to just repair the damage he's done and leave the rest as green space.

 

[markef]

You can't expect everyone else to follow the law if you have a law-breaking President, can you?

There's no reason to complete this construction. In fact, it would be better to just repair the damage he's done and leave the rest as green space.

How many Americans do you think support your ideas over President Trump's? America is not just a republic but also a democracy where majority opinions matter in spite of minority opposition.

 

[JoeB131]

How many Americans do you think support your ideas over President Trump's? America is not just a republic but also a democracy where majority opinions matter in spite of minority opposition.

Trump's approval rating is at 35% right now.

Most Americans aren't okay with what he's doing.

Which we have seen in every election since he was re-elected.

 

[Meathead]

Trump's approval rating is at 35% right now.

Most Americans aren't okay with what he's doing.

Which we have seen in every election since he was re-elected.

RCP Average

Trump's approval rating is at 35% right now.

Most Americans aren't okay with what he's doing.

Which we have seen in every election since he was re-elected.

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[markef]

Trump's approval rating is at 35% right now.

Most Americans aren't okay with what he's doing.

Which we have seen in every election since he was re-elected.

I am not convinced that lying leftist TDS agents of the democrat mob are telling the truth about American approval of the new ballroom.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

And now we are finding out that many of the donations to the ballroom fund were illegal.

Here is my shocked face:

 

[markef]

And now we are finding out that many of the donations to the ballroom fund were illegal.

Here is my shocked face:

That's no surprise. With democrats lawless is legal but they think everything Trump and conservatives do is illegal.

 

[Delldude]

A federal appeals court said Saturday that President Donald Trump can move ahead for another week with construction of a massive new White House ballroom while judges consider the project.

The 2-1 order from the DC Circuit Court of Appeals is a temporary win for Trump in a protracted legal fight over whether he has the authority to build the ballroom on the site of the former East Wing without express approval from Congress.

Appeals court says Trump White House ballroom construction can proceed for now | CNN Politics

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[JoeB131]

 

[markef]

Democrats are not upset about Obama shifting $1billion in costs from the Obama foundation to taxpayers of Chicago for his library monstrosity but they are outraged that Trump is renovating the White House with a beautiful ballroom at no cost to taxpayers.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Democrats are not upset about Obama shifting $1billion in costs from the Obama foundation to taxpayers of Chicago for his library monstrosity but they are outraged that Trump is renovating the White House with a beautiful ballroom at no cost to taxpayers.

#1 The Obama Library Foundation is a private entity, the "taxpayers" in Illinois and Chicago were intergral in the development plans and are providing infrastructure. The Foundation couldn't "shift" costs to Illinois/Chicago without their approval since legislation was passed to fund the infrastructure changes.

#2 Trump isn't "renovating" the White House. He raized an entire building to build is "beautiful ballroom" as a memorial to himself. However one catch, the LAW says that he can't do that without Congressional approval and Congress has not provided such approval.

#3 No cost to the taxpayers is BS, who do you think is going to maintain this? Are the donations going to support ongoing maintenance and operational costs?

WW

 

[kyzr]

#2 Trump isn't "renovating" the White House. He razed an entire building to build is "beautiful ballroom" as a memorial to himself. However one catch, the LAW says that he can't do that without Congressional approval and Congress has not provided such approval.

Even if the walkway was removed and replaced that still counts as a "renovation" if it is a connection to the WH.

#3 No cost to the taxpayers is BS, who do you think is going to maintain this? Are the donations going to support ongoing maintenance and operational costs? WW

If the WH budget is not increased for the new ballroom, the budgeted maintenance for the East Wing should cover the maintenance of the Ballroom.

US appellate court temporarily allows White House ballroom construction to continue

The US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit on Saturday extended a lower court's freeze on a partial preliminary injunction that had halted construction of the White House's proposed...

www.jurist.org

Dissenting Judge Neomi Rao argued that the NTHP lacked standing to sue the White House and that the president had statutory authorization under 3 U.S.C. § 105(d)(1), which allocates money to the president necessary for “the care, maintenance, repair, alteration, refurnishing, improvement…of the Executive Residence at the White House.”

Not sure what happens after Friday??

 

[WorldWatcher]

Even if the walkway was removed and replaced that still counts as a "renovation" if it is a connection to the WH.

If the WH budget is not increased for the new ballroom, the budgeted maintenance for the East Wing should cover the maintenance of the Ballroom.

US appellate court temporarily allows White House ballroom construction to continue

The US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit on Saturday extended a lower court's freeze on a partial preliminary injunction that had halted construction of the White House's proposed...

www.jurist.org

Dissenting Judge Neomi Rao argued that the NTHP lacked standing to sue the White House and that the president had statutory authorization under 3 U.S.C. § 105(d)(1), which allocates money to the president necessary for “the care, maintenance, repair, alteration, refurnishing, improvement…of the Executive Residence at the White House.”

Not sure what happens after Friday??

#1 The appeals court asked the District Court for more information on some specific questions they had. Don't know the status of such a response right now and we may not know until Friday.

#2 The Appeals court extended the District Court judges stay from being effective April 14th to April 17th. With no further action by the court the District Court Judges stay goes into effect on April 18th.

#3 However, my reading - which could be wrong - is that the stay only impacts the above ground ballroom, below ground construction of the below grade facilities would be allowed to continue during further litigation.

WW

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cadc.42993/gov.uscourts.cadc.42993.01208839738.0_2.pdf

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5827374-appeals-court-white-house-ballroom/