Trump And Israel: Carrots And Peas

[PoliticalChic]

A question no Democrat/Obama supporter has ever been able to answer:
What benefit did America, or the world, accrue by Obama's guaranteeing nuclear weapons to the world's worst state sponsor of terrorism?




10. "...Robert Malley, the former senior White House official who served as point man for President Barack Obama’s realignment strategy, published an essay in Foreign Affairs titled “The Unwanted Wars: Why the Middle East Is More Combustible Than Ever,” in which he laid out what he sees as the future of Obama’s foreign policy legacy.

Obama’s core vision for the region. The goal of achieving “balance” in America’s posture in the Middle East is how Obama presented his strategy of realigning American interests with Iran. For Obama, it was not in America’s interest to lead a regional alliance system which stands in opposition to Iran, and which therefore threatens to move the U.S. closer to war. Rebalancing away from traditional allies means moving closer to Iran, and away from the security architecture in which America had formerly been invested.

What America should, and must, do when confronted with such a tinderbox is obvious: backpedal away, fast, while kicking our former allies in the region to the curb, hard."
Malley in Wonderland





Iran??? A military power with the political views of Nazi Germany?

This was Obama's plan: provide 7th century barbarians with nuclear weapons????

After promising that Iran would never get nuclear weapons, Obama guaranteed them nukes.

October 7 2008, in the second presidential debate: "We cannot allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon. It would be a game-changer in the region. Not only would it threaten Israel, our strongest ally in the region and one of our strongest allies in the world, but it would also create a possibility of nuclear weapons falling into the hands of terrorists. And so it's unacceptable. And I will do everything that's required to prevent it. And we will never take military options off the table"





There are only two possible explanations:
a. a visceral hatred of America and Western Civilization

b. his admission that he never abandoned the Muslim faith of his childhood.

Liar.
Iran has every legal right in the world to have a nuclear deterrent after the US illegally invaded the innocent country of Iraq and caused the sovereign leader to be murdered.

And Ombama did not at all advance any Iranian project to gain nuclear weapons, but instead froze them, with adequate inspections to ensure no progress would be made.

No they don't, you moron.

1. Hussein Obama:
March 6, 2012, press conference: "And what I have said is, is that we will not countenance Iran getting a nuclear weapon. My policy is not containment; my policy is to prevent them from getting a nuclear weapon -- because if they get a nuclear weapon that could trigger an arms race in the region, it would undermine our non-proliferation goals, it could potentially fall into the hands of terrorists.



2. The Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, commonly known as the Non-ProliferationTreaty or NPT, is an international treaty whose objective is to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons and weapons technology, to promote cooperation in the peaceful uses of nuclear energy, and to further the goal of ...
Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons - Wikipedia
Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons - Wikipedia


3.war criminal - an offender who violates international law during timesof war
offender, wrongdoer - a person who transgresses moral or civillaw
war criminal

"And Ombama did not at all advance any Iranian project to gain nuclear weapons"


Barack Obama was ushering in the age of the ‘Iranian Nuclear Bomb’ and fueling Iran’s war machine.

Barack Obama, the #1 funder of radical Islamic fundamentalism and of the world’s worst state sponsor of terrorism, in the history of the world.



Under Hussein Obama, the United States was the lead benefactor of Islamic terrorism

He gave his nod to ballistic missiles and nuclear weapons for 7th century barbarians.



Barack Obama, in addition to slowing the rise of the oceans, also made the world a safer place to be by funding the world’s worst state sponsor of terrorism while not restricting their ballistic missile program and, at the same time, supporting Hezbollah.



The best friend the homicidal maniacs in charge of Iran ever had was Barack Hussein Obama.

The big question about Hussein Obama was always was he Sunni or Shia…and with the Iran deal, we got answer.

NEXT!!!

 

[PoliticalChic]

I know what the Palestinians want and what Israel wants. How's that working out for both of them? Not so well huh?

As to Iran, they are the nation that is the greatest risk in the ME and beyond.

I'll agree with the second half of the post.

In the first, you are still confused about any similarity between the two venues.



Perhaps this will open your eyes:

"NEVE DEKALIM, Gaza Strip — Palestinians looted dozens of greenhouses on Tuesday, walking off with irrigation hoses, water pumps and plastic sheeting in a blow to fledgling efforts to reconstruct the Gaza Strip.

American Jewish donors had bought more than 3,000 greenhouses from Israeli settlers in Gaza for $14 million last month and transferred them to the Palestinian Authority. Former World Bank President James Wolfensohn, who brokered the deal, put up $500,000 of his own cash."
Looters strip Gaza greenhouses

No, I'm not confused, I am capable of using reason to see both sides of the issue. As Dr Phil says, :
"no matter how flat the pancake is, there are still two sides" (that may be somewhat paraphrased).

Nonsense.

If the Palestinians stopped bombing and stabbing innocent civilians, there would be peace.


Let's see you support your contention.

 

[Rigby5]

A question no Democrat/Obama supporter has ever been able to answer:
What benefit did America, or the world, accrue by Obama's guaranteeing nuclear weapons to the world's worst state sponsor of terrorism?




10. "...Robert Malley, the former senior White House official who served as point man for President Barack Obama’s realignment strategy, published an essay in Foreign Affairs titled “The Unwanted Wars: Why the Middle East Is More Combustible Than Ever,” in which he laid out what he sees as the future of Obama’s foreign policy legacy.

Obama’s core vision for the region. The goal of achieving “balance” in America’s posture in the Middle East is how Obama presented his strategy of realigning American interests with Iran. For Obama, it was not in America’s interest to lead a regional alliance system which stands in opposition to Iran, and which therefore threatens to move the U.S. closer to war. Rebalancing away from traditional allies means moving closer to Iran, and away from the security architecture in which America had formerly been invested.

What America should, and must, do when confronted with such a tinderbox is obvious: backpedal away, fast, while kicking our former allies in the region to the curb, hard."
Malley in Wonderland





Iran??? A military power with the political views of Nazi Germany?

This was Obama's plan: provide 7th century barbarians with nuclear weapons????

After promising that Iran would never get nuclear weapons, Obama guaranteed them nukes.

October 7 2008, in the second presidential debate: "We cannot allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon. It would be a game-changer in the region. Not only would it threaten Israel, our strongest ally in the region and one of our strongest allies in the world, but it would also create a possibility of nuclear weapons falling into the hands of terrorists. And so it's unacceptable. And I will do everything that's required to prevent it. And we will never take military options off the table"





There are only two possible explanations:
a. a visceral hatred of America and Western Civilization

b. his admission that he never abandoned the Muslim faith of his childhood.

Liar.
Iran has every legal right in the world to have a nuclear deterrent after the US illegally invaded the innocent country of Iraq and caused the sovereign leader to be murdered.

And Ombama did not at all advance any Iranian project to gain nuclear weapons, but instead froze them, with adequate inspections to ensure no progress would be made.

No they don't, you moron.

1. Hussein Obama:
March 6, 2012, press conference: "And what I have said is, is that we will not countenance Iran getting a nuclear weapon. My policy is not containment; my policy is to prevent them from getting a nuclear weapon -- because if they get a nuclear weapon that could trigger an arms race in the region, it would undermine our non-proliferation goals, it could potentially fall into the hands of terrorists.



2. The Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, commonly known as the Non-ProliferationTreaty or NPT, is an international treaty whose objective is to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons and weapons technology, to promote cooperation in the peaceful uses of nuclear energy, and to further the goal of ...
Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons - Wikipedia
Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons - Wikipedia


3.war criminal - an offender who violates international law during timesof war
offender, wrongdoer - a person who transgresses moral or civillaw
war criminal

Liar.

1. Clearly what Obama said is that he negotiated a freeze on weapons development by Iran.

2. The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty is entirely VOLUNTARY!
Anyone attempting to force non-proliferation on any sovereign nation is a criminal.

3. The US clearly is a war criminal for illegally invading Iraq when they threatened no one.
Israel is a war criminal for not allowing the right of return to refugees, collective retribution, illegally blockading civilian commerce, etc.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Let's not get too far afield.

Trump sees Israel as our ally, and Iran as our enemy.

Obama and the Democrats see Israel as the enemy and the 7th century savages as our ally.

 

[Rigby5]

Past or current the hate exists. I never said there wasn't good reason for the hatred. BUT, it will not solve a damn thing! I don't know how to say that any clearer.

War crimes fall under the jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice (World Court) at The Hague is responsible for investigating and prosecuting war crimes. Remember where I said the United Nations created this problem and the United Nations should fix this problem. Let the ICJ charge and try those who they have evidence to show are war criminals.

Israel has been charged with war crimes over 200 times, but as a member of the Security Counsel, the US has blocked all actions to prosecute Israel for their obvious war crimes.

 

[PoliticalChic]

A question no Democrat/Obama supporter has ever been able to answer:
What benefit did America, or the world, accrue by Obama's guaranteeing nuclear weapons to the world's worst state sponsor of terrorism?




10. "...Robert Malley, the former senior White House official who served as point man for President Barack Obama’s realignment strategy, published an essay in Foreign Affairs titled “The Unwanted Wars: Why the Middle East Is More Combustible Than Ever,” in which he laid out what he sees as the future of Obama’s foreign policy legacy.

Obama’s core vision for the region. The goal of achieving “balance” in America’s posture in the Middle East is how Obama presented his strategy of realigning American interests with Iran. For Obama, it was not in America’s interest to lead a regional alliance system which stands in opposition to Iran, and which therefore threatens to move the U.S. closer to war. Rebalancing away from traditional allies means moving closer to Iran, and away from the security architecture in which America had formerly been invested.

What America should, and must, do when confronted with such a tinderbox is obvious: backpedal away, fast, while kicking our former allies in the region to the curb, hard."
Malley in Wonderland





Iran??? A military power with the political views of Nazi Germany?

This was Obama's plan: provide 7th century barbarians with nuclear weapons????

After promising that Iran would never get nuclear weapons, Obama guaranteed them nukes.

October 7 2008, in the second presidential debate: "We cannot allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon. It would be a game-changer in the region. Not only would it threaten Israel, our strongest ally in the region and one of our strongest allies in the world, but it would also create a possibility of nuclear weapons falling into the hands of terrorists. And so it's unacceptable. And I will do everything that's required to prevent it. And we will never take military options off the table"





There are only two possible explanations:
a. a visceral hatred of America and Western Civilization

b. his admission that he never abandoned the Muslim faith of his childhood.

Liar.
Iran has every legal right in the world to have a nuclear deterrent after the US illegally invaded the innocent country of Iraq and caused the sovereign leader to be murdered.

And Ombama did not at all advance any Iranian project to gain nuclear weapons, but instead froze them, with adequate inspections to ensure no progress would be made.

No they don't, you moron.

1. Hussein Obama:
March 6, 2012, press conference: "And what I have said is, is that we will not countenance Iran getting a nuclear weapon. My policy is not containment; my policy is to prevent them from getting a nuclear weapon -- because if they get a nuclear weapon that could trigger an arms race in the region, it would undermine our non-proliferation goals, it could potentially fall into the hands of terrorists.



2. The Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, commonly known as the Non-ProliferationTreaty or NPT, is an international treaty whose objective is to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons and weapons technology, to promote cooperation in the peaceful uses of nuclear energy, and to further the goal of ...
Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons - Wikipedia
Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons - Wikipedia


3.war criminal - an offender who violates international law during timesof war
offender, wrongdoer - a person who transgresses moral or civillaw
war criminal

Liar.

1. Clearly what Obama said is that he negotiated a freeze on weapons development by Iran.

2. The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty is entirely VOLUNTARY!
Anyone attempting to force non-proliferation on any sovereign nation is a criminal.

3. The US clearly is a war criminal for illegally invading Iraq when they threatened no one.
Israel is a war criminal for not allowing the right of return to refugees, collective retribution, illegally blockading civilian commerce, etc.

There was never any 'freeze,' and never any inspections.


Only a fool like you imagines there were.



1. Anyone who maintains that Iran is living up to the agreement is a bald-faced liar!!!


No one knows, no one can tell…..because the deal prevents actual inspections.



2. "The deal's provisions for inspections of military facilities, or "undeclared sites," involve a complex process with plenty of opportunities for Iran to stall. Tehran can propose alternatives to on-site inspections, or reject the request, which would trigger a 24-day process for the Joint Commission countries to override the rejection.

That could drag on for months. And under ambiguities built into the deal, it's unclear whether Iran must allow IAEA inspectors into military sites, or whether the Iranians can take their own environmental samples and send them to the IAEA for testing, as was allowed under a 2015 side agreement that let Iran use its own experts to inspect the Parchin military site."
U.S. seeks to test Iran deal with more inspections



3. Obama's Iran Nuclear Deal Allows the Regime to Develop a Weapon ...
"Krauthammer’s Take: Obama ‘Caved’ on Inspections, Now Iran Is Developing a Nuclear Weapon"
Read more at: Krauthammer’s Take: Obama ‘Caved’ on Inspections, Now Iran Is Developing a Nuclear Weapon



4. § The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) was not allowed to inspect or monitor Iran's military sites where nuclear activities were most likely being carried out. Among the many concessions that the Obama administration gave the Iranian government, one was accepting the Iranian leaders' demand that these military sites would be out of the IAEA's reach.

§ Due to this surrender, various high-profile Iranian sites such as the Parchin military complex, located southeast of Tehran, were free to engage in nuclear activities without the risk of inspection.

§ Once the authoritarian, anti-Semitic and anti-American government of Iran possess a nuclear bomb, no amount of actions will be able reverse the catastrophe.

§ Stop Iran From Going Nuclear




5. In 2015, President Obama promised when he tried to sell the deal to a skeptical American public that the Iranians agreed to the "most robust and intrusive inspections and transparency regime, ever negotiated for any nuclear program in history," based on "unprecedented verification." Moreover, Obama adviser Ben Rhodes reassured the public repeatedly that the deal included "anywhere, anytime" inspections and 24-7 access to Iran's key nuclear facilities.

But in reality, the administration repeatedly lied to the American public by misrepresenting the deal and the nature of the inspections Iran agreed to. The robust inspections referred only to Iran's declared nuclear sites. Other sites that the IAEA has suspicions about, including all military sites and undeclared nuclear sites, fell under a separate cheating-friendly procedure.

One of the most controversial issues in the 2015 negotiations was whether the U.N.'s IAEA would be able to visit military sites if they had questions about suspected nuclear activities or facilities within them. In the end, Iranian leader Ayatollah Khamenei on June 23, 2015 stated that granting access to Iran's military sites was a red line, and the U.S. and its partners gave in and agreed on language with Iran avoiding a direct mention of the military sites issue.

Instead, the deal stated that in order to allay IAEA concerns, Iran would give access within a 24-day time frame, after the IAEA made a request to visit a suspected site. Furthermore, the deal stated that if Iran refused the access, the Islamist state and the IAEA would have additional 14 days to resolve the agreement among themselves. If they failed to agree, a joint commission comprising the six member-nations who are parties to the agreement would consider the matter for an additional week.

In conclusion, according to the agreement, Iran can continue its uranium enrichment program and continue developing its weapon program at its many military sites, and every time the IAEA suspects anything, the Iranians can have 24 days at a minimum and 45 days maximum to delay the access, sanitize the sites, or transfer the unauthorized nuclear work to another unauthorized military site.
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/05/obama_and_irans_nuclear_lies.html#ixzz5nH0Ua9im




Bet you feel pretty stooooooopid right now, huh?

 

[Rigby5]

In your view, then, we should have simply turned Hawaii over to the Japanese.

Grow a spine: learn to stand up to evil rather than give in to it.

Gee, when did I ever believe that? Oh, i know, NEVER.

You're being immature now trying to compare apples and oranges, or if you prefer, set up a straw man argument.

Israel is an ally, it shares our views of humanity and of democracy, as well as the Judeo-Christian faith our nation was founded on.

Half a century ago there were Americans who shared your lack of commitment, and they carried signs "Better Red Than Dead."

There is no basis for hand-wringing demand for compromise you desire.



You need to study history in general and that of Islam specifically.

Israel is not a US ally, has never helped the US on anything, illegal interferes in US elections, and has caused the US to be hated, justifiably, in the Mideast.
Israel is totally against democracy, and has 6 million Jewish immigrants ruling over 12 million Arab natives.
Moslems share the Judeo Christian faith as well.
The rule of law and justice, demands Israel give the Arabs their homes back.

Israeli military equipment in U.S. use
M120 mortar – A 120 mm mortar developed by Soltam Systems. B-300 / Shoulder-launched Multipurpose Assault Weapon (SMAW) – An anti-tank or bunker buster recoilless rifle developed by Israel Military Industries.
Israel–United States military relations - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Israel–United_States_military_relations



Trophy Active Protection System
The Army has purchased an emerging technology for Abrams tanks, Bradleys and Strykers designed to give combat vehicles an opportunity identify, track and destroy approaching enemy rocket-propelled grenades in a matter of milliseconds. Trophy is an Active Protection System (APS) that uses a 360-degree radar, processor and on-board computer to locate, track and destroy approaching fire coming from a range of weapons such as Anti-Tank-Guided-Missiles and Rocket Propelled Grenades. DRS Technologies and Israeli-based Rafael Advanced Defense Systems are working with the army to integrate the system that Israel developed after realizing that tanks could not be given more armor without greatly minimizing their maneuverability and deployability.

Iron Fist Light Configuration
The U.S. Army chose to purchase the Iron Fist Light Configuration active protection system for it's armored personnel carriers in June 2015, developed by Israel Military Industries. The system uses a complex network of radar and electro-optics to detect and neutralize a broad range of missiles and other objects. The Iron Fist Light Configuration can jam the GPS systems of incoming projectiles causing them to malfunction and fall to the ground, and can also deploy interceptors that destroy incoming objects with a shock wave.

Common Laser Range Finder
Israel's Elbit Systems was awarded a $73.4 million, 15 year contract from the US Marine Corps in March 2015 to supply them with new laser systems. The new systems will assist Marines in concealed positions with imaging, range-finding, and and navigation through combat areas. This will allow the soldiers to acquire and dispatch targets from their concealed positions, significantly lessening the potential impact of a mistake and keeping the soldiers safe.

Skystar 180
Surveillance balloon manufactured for tactical surveillance, public safety, police, and military activities. Skystar 180's can provide surveillance for up to 1,000 square feet on one tank of helium, which lasts for approximately 72 hours. The Skystar 180 system is simple and intuitive, and can be fully operated by only two people. Israeli police have used these balloons and previous models to control riots and provide intel during times of conflict. The U.S. Army approved the Skystar 180 for purchase in March 2015, after a unit successfully completed the Army Expeditionary Warrior Experiment

ADM-141 TALD (Improved Tactical Air Launched Decoy)
Jet powered, unpiloted decoys look and maneuver like an airplance. TALD's are used to confuse enemy radar and draw the fire away from piloted aircraft so they can perform their missions under "safer" conditions. Earlier unpowered glider versions of the ITALD were used extensively during the initial stages of the Gulf War and in Bosnia.

Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System
This helmet-mounted display (HMD) system allows fighter pilots to target enemy aircraft by using a display within their helmet to guide the missiles at the target they are looking at rather than having to maneuver their aircraft into an attack position.

Reactive Armor Tiles
Developed by the IDF after the Yom Kippur War, these tiles protect tanks and the soldiers within them. The tiles overlay the tank's armor and have embedded explosives that detonate outward when hit by missiles. The explosion destroys and repels the incoming missile before it penetrates the tank's main armor. During the 1982 Lebanon war, not a single Israeli tank equipped with these tiles was lost to enemy fire.

LITENING Targeting Pod
Litening is a navigation and targeting device that enables aircraft to fly and target in bad weather and at night. The Litening transforms older planes into round-the-clock fighters. The Litening is equipped with two cameras - one uses heat sensors to identify targets at night and during bad weather, while the second provides powerful images from long-range distances during the day. The U.S. Air National Guard, a quarter of whose fleet cannot fly at night, has purchased the Litening to enhance the capabilities of its F-16s. The Litening is also being purchased by the U.S. Marine Corps.

AGM-142 Have Nap
Known as "the Popeye," this missile is used to destroy targets, such as concrete military bunkers, with exceptional precision from great distances. It is the only air-to-ground missile that can be retargeted after launch. The United States uses the Popeye on B-52 bombers. A small number of aircraft armed with the Popeye were deployed to Europe for use in Kosovo.

UAV (Unmanned Aerial Vehicles)
The UAV has been one of the most important factors enabling the United States to fight effectively with minimum casualties. The U.S. has one of the largest fleets of Israeli-made UAVs which re used to identify targets and assess bomb damage without putting pilots at risk. During the Gulf War and Kosovo, Israeli-made Pioneer and Hunter UAVs were used to stop hard-to-detect targets such as missile launchers, artillery units and command and control bunkers.

Python-4 Air-to-Air Missile
The Python-4 is recognized as the world' most advanced short-range air-to-air missile. Unlike other missiles of its kind, the Python can fire at targets from any angle, not just those directly in front of it. This gives it a much larger zone in which in can effectively destroy enemy aircraft.

SIMON breach grenade
A rifle grenade designed to breach through doors. It is mainly used to access buildings with locked or barricaded doors without endangering U.S. troops or the people inside. A variant is currently in service with the United States army.

B300/SMAW Bunker-Busting Missile
This Shoulder-Launched Multipurpose Assault Weapon (SMAW) is a portable weapon for use in destroying deeply buried and hardened concrete-reinforced bunkers. The U.S. Marine Corps procured this missile for use in Iraq.

Man-portable air-defense systems (MANPADS)
The US Air Force ordered 21 MANPADS, shoulder-launched surface-to-air missiles (SLSAMs), for use against low-flying aircraft, such as unmanned aerial systems (e.g., drones), and helicopters.

Other Systems

• UZI Submachine Gun: The U.S. Secret Service used this automatic weapon for some time.
• Mine Plows: Armored plows attached to the front end of tanks, enabling a tank to push land mines aside
• SINCGARS Communications: Most widely used tactical radio in the U.S. Army inventory.
• Kfir Fighter Plane: This fighter was loaned to the United States for use in simulated combat missions and training.
• Helicopter Crash Survival Seats: Drastically reduce the effects of a helicopter crash by absorbing much of the crash's energy.
• Night Targeting System (NTS): Used on Cobra attack helicopters to operate day or night, in good and bad weather.
• Cardom: 120mm Recoil mortar system using modern electronic navigation, self-positioning, and target acquisition.
• Gabriel missile: Anti-ship missile.
• Israeli Military Equipment Used by the U.S.

Need help getting your foot out of your mouth?????

Liar.

Israel has not created any weapons systems at all that the US uses.
It is illegal for the US to use any weapons system invented outside the US.
The US invented or shared the development of all the systems used by the US.
Israel is only contracted to manufacture some weapons system for the US.

For example, Iron Shield was developed and paid for by US.
The Uzi is a block back, open bolt submachinegun that has nothing significant.
And it was first designed in 1943, long before Israel even existed.
Mine plows were used in D-Day in 1941, and not invented by Israel.
With SINCGARS Communications, in November 1983: ITT Corporation (ITT) wins the contract for the first type of radio, for ground troops. And it was developed in the US for the US.
The rest of your claims are all lies as well.
Israel is not a member of NATO, so is not an ally.

 

[Rocko]

I know what the Palestinians want and what Israel wants. How's that working out for both of them? Not so well huh?

As to Iran, they are the nation that is the greatest risk in the ME and beyond.

I'll agree with the second half of the post.

In the first, you are still confused about any similarity between the two venues.



Perhaps this will open your eyes:

"NEVE DEKALIM, Gaza Strip — Palestinians looted dozens of greenhouses on Tuesday, walking off with irrigation hoses, water pumps and plastic sheeting in a blow to fledgling efforts to reconstruct the Gaza Strip.

American Jewish donors had bought more than 3,000 greenhouses from Israeli settlers in Gaza for $14 million last month and transferred them to the Palestinian Authority. Former World Bank President James Wolfensohn, who brokered the deal, put up $500,000 of his own cash."
Looters strip Gaza greenhouses

No, I'm not confused, I am capable of using reason to see both sides of the issue. As Dr Phil says, :
"no matter how flat the pancake is, there are still two sides" (that may be somewhat paraphrased).

Like I told you before the Palestinian side of the issue is they want to kill all Jews. The Jewish side of the issue is they want to be left alone. You’re doing what liberals do and are creating a moral equivalence.

The solution is simple. If the United States had neighbors that were proactive in trying to annihilate them of the face of the earth then war would be the only solution to this problem. Israel is the only country in the world that is supposed to tolerate their neighbor’s perpetual violence towards them.

 

[PoliticalChic]

In your view, then, we should have simply turned Hawaii over to the Japanese.

Grow a spine: learn to stand up to evil rather than give in to it.

Gee, when did I ever believe that? Oh, i know, NEVER.

You're being immature now trying to compare apples and oranges, or if you prefer, set up a straw man argument.

Israel is an ally, it shares our views of humanity and of democracy, as well as the Judeo-Christian faith our nation was founded on.

Half a century ago there were Americans who shared your lack of commitment, and they carried signs "Better Red Than Dead."

There is no basis for hand-wringing demand for compromise you desire.



You need to study history in general and that of Islam specifically.

Israel is not a US ally, has never helped the US on anything, illegal interferes in US elections, and has caused the US to be hated, justifiably, in the Mideast.
Israel is totally against democracy, and has 6 million Jewish immigrants ruling over 12 million Arab natives.
Moslems share the Judeo Christian faith as well.
The rule of law and justice, demands Israel give the Arabs their homes back.

Israeli military equipment in U.S. use
M120 mortar – A 120 mm mortar developed by Soltam Systems. B-300 / Shoulder-launched Multipurpose Assault Weapon (SMAW) – An anti-tank or bunker buster recoilless rifle developed by Israel Military Industries.
Israel–United States military relations - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Israel–United_States_military_relations



Trophy Active Protection System
The Army has purchased an emerging technology for Abrams tanks, Bradleys and Strykers designed to give combat vehicles an opportunity identify, track and destroy approaching enemy rocket-propelled grenades in a matter of milliseconds. Trophy is an Active Protection System (APS) that uses a 360-degree radar, processor and on-board computer to locate, track and destroy approaching fire coming from a range of weapons such as Anti-Tank-Guided-Missiles and Rocket Propelled Grenades. DRS Technologies and Israeli-based Rafael Advanced Defense Systems are working with the army to integrate the system that Israel developed after realizing that tanks could not be given more armor without greatly minimizing their maneuverability and deployability.

Iron Fist Light Configuration
The U.S. Army chose to purchase the Iron Fist Light Configuration active protection system for it's armored personnel carriers in June 2015, developed by Israel Military Industries. The system uses a complex network of radar and electro-optics to detect and neutralize a broad range of missiles and other objects. The Iron Fist Light Configuration can jam the GPS systems of incoming projectiles causing them to malfunction and fall to the ground, and can also deploy interceptors that destroy incoming objects with a shock wave.

Common Laser Range Finder
Israel's Elbit Systems was awarded a $73.4 million, 15 year contract from the US Marine Corps in March 2015 to supply them with new laser systems. The new systems will assist Marines in concealed positions with imaging, range-finding, and and navigation through combat areas. This will allow the soldiers to acquire and dispatch targets from their concealed positions, significantly lessening the potential impact of a mistake and keeping the soldiers safe.

Skystar 180
Surveillance balloon manufactured for tactical surveillance, public safety, police, and military activities. Skystar 180's can provide surveillance for up to 1,000 square feet on one tank of helium, which lasts for approximately 72 hours. The Skystar 180 system is simple and intuitive, and can be fully operated by only two people. Israeli police have used these balloons and previous models to control riots and provide intel during times of conflict. The U.S. Army approved the Skystar 180 for purchase in March 2015, after a unit successfully completed the Army Expeditionary Warrior Experiment

ADM-141 TALD (Improved Tactical Air Launched Decoy)
Jet powered, unpiloted decoys look and maneuver like an airplance. TALD's are used to confuse enemy radar and draw the fire away from piloted aircraft so they can perform their missions under "safer" conditions. Earlier unpowered glider versions of the ITALD were used extensively during the initial stages of the Gulf War and in Bosnia.

Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System
This helmet-mounted display (HMD) system allows fighter pilots to target enemy aircraft by using a display within their helmet to guide the missiles at the target they are looking at rather than having to maneuver their aircraft into an attack position.

Reactive Armor Tiles
Developed by the IDF after the Yom Kippur War, these tiles protect tanks and the soldiers within them. The tiles overlay the tank's armor and have embedded explosives that detonate outward when hit by missiles. The explosion destroys and repels the incoming missile before it penetrates the tank's main armor. During the 1982 Lebanon war, not a single Israeli tank equipped with these tiles was lost to enemy fire.

LITENING Targeting Pod
Litening is a navigation and targeting device that enables aircraft to fly and target in bad weather and at night. The Litening transforms older planes into round-the-clock fighters. The Litening is equipped with two cameras - one uses heat sensors to identify targets at night and during bad weather, while the second provides powerful images from long-range distances during the day. The U.S. Air National Guard, a quarter of whose fleet cannot fly at night, has purchased the Litening to enhance the capabilities of its F-16s. The Litening is also being purchased by the U.S. Marine Corps.

AGM-142 Have Nap
Known as "the Popeye," this missile is used to destroy targets, such as concrete military bunkers, with exceptional precision from great distances. It is the only air-to-ground missile that can be retargeted after launch. The United States uses the Popeye on B-52 bombers. A small number of aircraft armed with the Popeye were deployed to Europe for use in Kosovo.

UAV (Unmanned Aerial Vehicles)
The UAV has been one of the most important factors enabling the United States to fight effectively with minimum casualties. The U.S. has one of the largest fleets of Israeli-made UAVs which re used to identify targets and assess bomb damage without putting pilots at risk. During the Gulf War and Kosovo, Israeli-made Pioneer and Hunter UAVs were used to stop hard-to-detect targets such as missile launchers, artillery units and command and control bunkers.

Python-4 Air-to-Air Missile
The Python-4 is recognized as the world' most advanced short-range air-to-air missile. Unlike other missiles of its kind, the Python can fire at targets from any angle, not just those directly in front of it. This gives it a much larger zone in which in can effectively destroy enemy aircraft.

SIMON breach grenade
A rifle grenade designed to breach through doors. It is mainly used to access buildings with locked or barricaded doors without endangering U.S. troops or the people inside. A variant is currently in service with the United States army.

B300/SMAW Bunker-Busting Missile
This Shoulder-Launched Multipurpose Assault Weapon (SMAW) is a portable weapon for use in destroying deeply buried and hardened concrete-reinforced bunkers. The U.S. Marine Corps procured this missile for use in Iraq.

Man-portable air-defense systems (MANPADS)
The US Air Force ordered 21 MANPADS, shoulder-launched surface-to-air missiles (SLSAMs), for use against low-flying aircraft, such as unmanned aerial systems (e.g., drones), and helicopters.

Other Systems

• UZI Submachine Gun: The U.S. Secret Service used this automatic weapon for some time.
• Mine Plows: Armored plows attached to the front end of tanks, enabling a tank to push land mines aside
• SINCGARS Communications: Most widely used tactical radio in the U.S. Army inventory.
• Kfir Fighter Plane: This fighter was loaned to the United States for use in simulated combat missions and training.
• Helicopter Crash Survival Seats: Drastically reduce the effects of a helicopter crash by absorbing much of the crash's energy.
• Night Targeting System (NTS): Used on Cobra attack helicopters to operate day or night, in good and bad weather.
• Cardom: 120mm Recoil mortar system using modern electronic navigation, self-positioning, and target acquisition.
• Gabriel missile: Anti-ship missile.
• Israeli Military Equipment Used by the U.S.

Need help getting your foot out of your mouth?????

Liar.

Israel has not created any weapons systems at all that the US uses.
It is illegal for the US to use any weapons system invented outside the US.
The US invented or shared the development of all the systems used by the US.
Israel is only contracted to manufacture some weapons system for the US.

For example, Iron Shield was developed and paid for by US.
The Uzi is a block back, open bolt submachinegun that has nothing significant.
And it was first designed in 1943, long before Israel even existed.
Mine plows were used in D-Day in 1941, and not invented by Israel.
With SINCGARS Communications, in November 1983: ITT Corporation (ITT) wins the contract for the first type of radio, for ground troops. And it was developed in the US for the US.
The rest of your claims are all lies as well.
Israel is not a member of NATO, so is not an ally.

Israeli military equipment in U.S. use
M120 mortar – A 120 mm mortar developed by Soltam Systems. B-300 / Shoulder-launched Multipurpose Assault Weapon (SMAW) – An anti-tank or bunker buster recoilless rifle developed by Israel Military Industries.
Israel–United States military relations - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Israel–United_States_military_relations



Trophy Active Protection System
The Army has purchased an emerging technology for Abrams tanks, Bradleys and Strykers designed to give combat vehicles an opportunity identify, track and destroy approaching enemy rocket-propelled grenades in a matter of milliseconds. Trophy is an Active Protection System (APS) that uses a 360-degree radar, processor and on-board computer to locate, track and destroy approaching fire coming from a range of weapons such as Anti-Tank-Guided-Missiles and Rocket Propelled Grenades. DRS Technologies and Israeli-based Rafael Advanced Defense Systems are working with the army to integrate the system that Israel developed after realizing that tanks could not be given more armor without greatly minimizing their maneuverability and deployability.

Iron Fist Light Configuration
The U.S. Army chose to purchase the Iron Fist Light Configuration active protection system for it's armored personnel carriers in June 2015, developed by Israel Military Industries. The system uses a complex network of radar and electro-optics to detect and neutralize a broad range of missiles and other objects. The Iron Fist Light Configuration can jam the GPS systems of incoming projectiles causing them to malfunction and fall to the ground, and can also deploy interceptors that destroy incoming objects with a shock wave.

Common Laser Range Finder
Israel's Elbit Systems was awarded a $73.4 million, 15 year contract from the US Marine Corps in March 2015 to supply them with new laser systems. The new systems will assist Marines in concealed positions with imaging, range-finding, and and navigation through combat areas. This will allow the soldiers to acquire and dispatch targets from their concealed positions, significantly lessening the potential impact of a mistake and keeping the soldiers safe.

Skystar 180
Surveillance balloon manufactured for tactical surveillance, public safety, police, and military activities. Skystar 180's can provide surveillance for up to 1,000 square feet on one tank of helium, which lasts for approximately 72 hours. The Skystar 180 system is simple and intuitive, and can be fully operated by only two people. Israeli police have used these balloons and previous models to control riots and provide intel during times of conflict. The U.S. Army approved the Skystar 180 for purchase in March 2015, after a unit successfully completed the Army Expeditionary Warrior Experiment

ADM-141 TALD (Improved Tactical Air Launched Decoy)
Jet powered, unpiloted decoys look and maneuver like an airplance. TALD's are used to confuse enemy radar and draw the fire away from piloted aircraft so they can perform their missions under "safer" conditions. Earlier unpowered glider versions of the ITALD were used extensively during the initial stages of the Gulf War and in Bosnia.

Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System
This helmet-mounted display (HMD) system allows fighter pilots to target enemy aircraft by using a display within their helmet to guide the missiles at the target they are looking at rather than having to maneuver their aircraft into an attack position.

Reactive Armor Tiles
Developed by the IDF after the Yom Kippur War, these tiles protect tanks and the soldiers within them. The tiles overlay the tank's armor and have embedded explosives that detonate outward when hit by missiles. The explosion destroys and repels the incoming missile before it penetrates the tank's main armor. During the 1982 Lebanon war, not a single Israeli tank equipped with these tiles was lost to enemy fire.

LITENING Targeting Pod
Litening is a navigation and targeting device that enables aircraft to fly and target in bad weather and at night. The Litening transforms older planes into round-the-clock fighters. The Litening is equipped with two cameras - one uses heat sensors to identify targets at night and during bad weather, while the second provides powerful images from long-range distances during the day. The U.S. Air National Guard, a quarter of whose fleet cannot fly at night, has purchased the Litening to enhance the capabilities of its F-16s. The Litening is also being purchased by the U.S. Marine Corps.

AGM-142 Have Nap
Known as "the Popeye," this missile is used to destroy targets, such as concrete military bunkers, with exceptional precision from great distances. It is the only air-to-ground missile that can be retargeted after launch. The United States uses the Popeye on B-52 bombers. A small number of aircraft armed with the Popeye were deployed to Europe for use in Kosovo.

UAV (Unmanned Aerial Vehicles)
The UAV has been one of the most important factors enabling the United States to fight effectively with minimum casualties. The U.S. has one of the largest fleets of Israeli-made UAVs which re used to identify targets and assess bomb damage without putting pilots at risk. During the Gulf War and Kosovo, Israeli-made Pioneer and Hunter UAVs were used to stop hard-to-detect targets such as missile launchers, artillery units and command and control bunkers.

Python-4 Air-to-Air Missile
The Python-4 is recognized as the world' most advanced short-range air-to-air missile. Unlike other missiles of its kind, the Python can fire at targets from any angle, not just those directly in front of it. This gives it a much larger zone in which in can effectively destroy enemy aircraft.

SIMON breach grenade
A rifle grenade designed to breach through doors. It is mainly used to access buildings with locked or barricaded doors without endangering U.S. troops or the people inside. A variant is currently in service with the United States army.

B300/SMAW Bunker-Busting Missile
This Shoulder-Launched Multipurpose Assault Weapon (SMAW) is a portable weapon for use in destroying deeply buried and hardened concrete-reinforced bunkers. The U.S. Marine Corps procured this missile for use in Iraq.

Man-portable air-defense systems (MANPADS)
The US Air Force ordered 21 MANPADS, shoulder-launched surface-to-air missiles (SLSAMs), for use against low-flying aircraft, such as unmanned aerial systems (e.g., drones), and helicopters.

Other Systems

• UZI Submachine Gun: The U.S. Secret Service used this automatic weapon for some time.
• Mine Plows: Armored plows attached to the front end of tanks, enabling a tank to push land mines aside
• SINCGARS Communications: Most widely used tactical radio in the U.S. Army inventory.
• Kfir Fighter Plane: This fighter was loaned to the United States for use in simulated combat missions and training.
• Helicopter Crash Survival Seats: Drastically reduce the effects of a helicopter crash by absorbing much of the crash's energy.
• Night Targeting System (NTS): Used on Cobra attack helicopters to operate day or night, in good and bad weather.
• Cardom: 120mm Recoil mortar system using modern electronic navigation, self-positioning, and target acquisition.
• Gabriel missile: Anti-ship missile.
• Israeli Military Equipment Used by the U.S.

Need help getting your foot out of your mouth?????

 

[PoliticalChic]

I know what the Palestinians want and what Israel wants. How's that working out for both of them? Not so well huh?

As to Iran, they are the nation that is the greatest risk in the ME and beyond.

I'll agree with the second half of the post.

In the first, you are still confused about any similarity between the two venues.



Perhaps this will open your eyes:

"NEVE DEKALIM, Gaza Strip — Palestinians looted dozens of greenhouses on Tuesday, walking off with irrigation hoses, water pumps and plastic sheeting in a blow to fledgling efforts to reconstruct the Gaza Strip.

American Jewish donors had bought more than 3,000 greenhouses from Israeli settlers in Gaza for $14 million last month and transferred them to the Palestinian Authority. Former World Bank President James Wolfensohn, who brokered the deal, put up $500,000 of his own cash."
Looters strip Gaza greenhouses

No, I'm not confused, I am capable of using reason to see both sides of the issue. As Dr Phil says, :
"no matter how flat the pancake is, there are still two sides" (that may be somewhat paraphrased).

Like I told you before the Palestinian side of the issue is they want to kill all Jews. The Jewish side of the issue is they want to be left alone. You’re doing what liberals do and are creating a moral equivalence.

The solution is simple. If the United States had neighbors that were proactive in trying to annihilate them of the face of the earth then war would be the only solution to this problem. Israel is the only country in the world that is supposed to tolerate their neighbor’s perpetual violence towards them.

Amazing how many have swallowed the moral equivalence that the Left sells.


It's like they're afraid to have an opinion they might have to defend.

 

[Old Man Grumbles]

Past or current the hate exists. I never said there wasn't good reason for the hatred. BUT, it will not solve a damn thing! I don't know how to say that any clearer.

War crimes fall under the jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice (World Court) at The Hague is responsible for investigating and prosecuting war crimes. Remember where I said the United Nations created this problem and the United Nations should fix this problem. Let the ICJ charge and try those who they have evidence to show are war criminals.

"Past or current the hate exists."


Link or lie.

Oh FFS. Okay, let me change my word to dissension, or discord, or dissent, or conflict. Take your pick.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Past or current the hate exists. I never said there wasn't good reason for the hatred. BUT, it will not solve a damn thing! I don't know how to say that any clearer.

War crimes fall under the jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice (World Court) at The Hague is responsible for investigating and prosecuting war crimes. Remember where I said the United Nations created this problem and the United Nations should fix this problem. Let the ICJ charge and try those who they have evidence to show are war criminals.

"Past or current the hate exists."


Link or lie.

Oh FFS. Okay, let me change my word to dissension, or discord, or dissent, or conflict. Take your pick.

Your education continues:

Let's paint a picture of the side you'd like to equate with Israel:

1. “We should by now have become used to the death cult that is thriving at the fringes of the Muslim world. This is the cult of people who are proud to declare, "You love life, but we love death." This is the cult that sent waves of defenseless children to be mowed down on the battlefields of the Iran-Iraq war, that trains kindergartners to become bombs, that fetishizes death, that sends people off joyfully to commit mass murder. Because the death cult is not really about the cause it purports to serve. It's about the sheer pleasure of killing and dying.” Opinion | Cult of Death

a. It is the blood that informs the act. In the 1971 assassination of Jordan’s prime minister, Wasfi l-Tell, by PLO terrorists. “As he lay there, one of his killers bent over and lapped the blood that poured from his wounds.” Michael Ledeen | National Review

b. Leading Muslim clerics often refer to the love of death. Chief Palestinian Authority cleric Mufti Sheikh Ikrimeh Sabri stated, "We tell them, in as much as you love life, the Muslim loves death and martyrdom.” http://old.nationalreview.com/comment/stalinsky200405240846.asp

c. And so, the ideals and idea of America, and the iconic message of the Declaration of Independence, ‘life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness,’ is anathema to Islamism, just as it was to fascism and communism, and every totalitarian philosophy.

 

[Rigby5]

Past or current the hate exists. I never said there wasn't good reason for the hatred. BUT, it will not solve a damn thing! I don't know how to say that any clearer.

War crimes fall under the jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice (World Court) at The Hague is responsible for investigating and prosecuting war crimes. Remember where I said the United Nations created this problem and the United Nations should fix this problem. Let the ICJ charge and try those who they have evidence to show are war criminals.

"Past or current the hate exists."


Link or lie.

UN charges Israel with war crimes

{...
Jerusalem Post
UN charges Israel with war crimes
Goldstone report into Operation Cast Lead calls Israel's blockade of Gaza "collective punishment."
By e.b. solomont, jerusalem post correspondent in new york
SEPTEMBER 16, 2009 00:48
...
In a 575-page report, the fact-finding mission, headed by former South African Judge Richard Goldstone, found that "Israel committed actions amounting to war crimes, possibly crimes against humanity," during last year's Operation Cast Lead, which targeted Palestinian rocket squads in Gaza.
...}

List of war crimes - Wikipedia
{...
Took place in Sabra and the Shatila refugee camp Palestinian refugee camps in Beirut, Lebanon between September 16 and September 18, 1982. Palestinian and Lebanese civilians were massacred in the camps by Christian Lebanese Phalangists while the camp was surrounded by the Israel Defense Forces. Israeli forces controlled the entrances to the refugee camps of Palestinians and controlled the entrance to the city. The massacre was immediately preceded by the assassination of Bachir Gemayel, the leader of the Lebanese Kataeb Party. Following the assassination, an armed group entered the camp and murdered inhabitants during the night. It is now generally agreed that the killers were "the Young Men", a gang recruited by Elie Hobeika.[236]
...}

{...
2008–2009 Gaza War
See also: Goldstone Report
There were allegations of war crimes by both the Israeli military and Hamas. Criticism of Israel's conduct focused on the proportionality of its measures against Hamas, and on its alleged use of weaponised white phosphorus. Numerous reports from human right groups during the war claimed that white phosphorus shells were being used by Israel, often in or near populated areas.[311][312][313] In its early statements the Israeli military denied using any form of white phosphorus, saying "We categorically deny the use of white phosphorus". It eventually admitted to its limited use and stopped using the shells, including as a smoke screen. The Goldstone report investigating possible war crimes in the 2009 war accepted that white phosphorus is not illegal under international law but did find that the Israelis were "systematically reckless in determining its use in build-up areas". It also called for serious consideration to be given to the banning of its use as an obscurant.[314]
...}

Palestinian right of return - Wikipedia
{...
The Palestinian right of return is the political position or principle that Palestinian refugees, both first-generation refugees (c. 30,000 to 50,000 people still alive as of 2012)[3][4] and their descendants (c. 5 million people as of 2012),[3] have a right to return, and a right to the property they themselves or their forebears left behind or were forced to leave in what is now Israel and the Palestinian territories (both formerly part of the British Mandate of Palestine), as part of the 1948 Palestinian exodus, a result of the 1948 Palestine war, and due to the 1967 Six-Day War.

Formulated for the first time on 27 June 1948 by United Nations mediator Folke Bernadotte,[5] proponents of the right of return hold that it is a sacred right,[6] as well as a human right, whose applicability both generally and specifically to the Palestinians is protected under international law.[7] This view holds that those who opt not to return or for whom return is not feasible, should receive compensation in lieu. Proponents argue that Israel's position stands in contrast with its Law of Return that grants all Jews the right to settle permanently, while withholding any comparable right from Palestinians.[8]
...}

This right of return was pushed by the UN moderator, Folke Bernadotte, and because of this, Menachim Begin was personally involved in gunning down the UN moderator on the streets of Jerusalem.

Folke Bernadotte - Wikipedia

{...
After the war, Bernadotte was unanimously chosen to be the United Nations Security Council mediator in the Arab–Israeli conflict of 1947–1948. He was assassinated in Jerusalem in 1948 by the paramilitary Zionist group Lehi while pursuing his official duties.
...}

 

[PoliticalChic]

Eye-opening for government school grads.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Past or current the hate exists. I never said there wasn't good reason for the hatred. BUT, it will not solve a damn thing! I don't know how to say that any clearer.

War crimes fall under the jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice (World Court) at The Hague is responsible for investigating and prosecuting war crimes. Remember where I said the United Nations created this problem and the United Nations should fix this problem. Let the ICJ charge and try those who they have evidence to show are war criminals.

"Past or current the hate exists."


Link or lie.

UN charges Israel with war crimes

{...
Jerusalem Post
UN charges Israel with war crimes
Goldstone report into Operation Cast Lead calls Israel's blockade of Gaza "collective punishment."
By e.b. solomont, jerusalem post correspondent in new york
SEPTEMBER 16, 2009 00:48
...
In a 575-page report, the fact-finding mission, headed by former South African Judge Richard Goldstone, found that "Israel committed actions amounting to war crimes, possibly crimes against humanity," during last year's Operation Cast Lead, which targeted Palestinian rocket squads in Gaza.
...}

List of war crimes - Wikipedia
{...
Took place in Sabra and the Shatila refugee camp Palestinian refugee camps in Beirut, Lebanon between September 16 and September 18, 1982. Palestinian and Lebanese civilians were massacred in the camps by Christian Lebanese Phalangists while the camp was surrounded by the Israel Defense Forces. Israeli forces controlled the entrances to the refugee camps of Palestinians and controlled the entrance to the city. The massacre was immediately preceded by the assassination of Bachir Gemayel, the leader of the Lebanese Kataeb Party. Following the assassination, an armed group entered the camp and murdered inhabitants during the night. It is now generally agreed that the killers were "the Young Men", a gang recruited by Elie Hobeika.[236]
...}

{...
2008–2009 Gaza War
See also: Goldstone Report
There were allegations of war crimes by both the Israeli military and Hamas. Criticism of Israel's conduct focused on the proportionality of its measures against Hamas, and on its alleged use of weaponised white phosphorus. Numerous reports from human right groups during the war claimed that white phosphorus shells were being used by Israel, often in or near populated areas.[311][312][313] In its early statements the Israeli military denied using any form of white phosphorus, saying "We categorically deny the use of white phosphorus". It eventually admitted to its limited use and stopped using the shells, including as a smoke screen. The Goldstone report investigating possible war crimes in the 2009 war accepted that white phosphorus is not illegal under international law but did find that the Israelis were "systematically reckless in determining its use in build-up areas". It also called for serious consideration to be given to the banning of its use as an obscurant.[314]
...}

Palestinian right of return - Wikipedia
{...
The Palestinian right of return is the political position or principle that Palestinian refugees, both first-generation refugees (c. 30,000 to 50,000 people still alive as of 2012)[3][4] and their descendants (c. 5 million people as of 2012),[3] have a right to return, and a right to the property they themselves or their forebears left behind or were forced to leave in what is now Israel and the Palestinian territories (both formerly part of the British Mandate of Palestine), as part of the 1948 Palestinian exodus, a result of the 1948 Palestine war, and due to the 1967 Six-Day War.

Formulated for the first time on 27 June 1948 by United Nations mediator Folke Bernadotte,[5] proponents of the right of return hold that it is a sacred right,[6] as well as a human right, whose applicability both generally and specifically to the Palestinians is protected under international law.[7] This view holds that those who opt not to return or for whom return is not feasible, should receive compensation in lieu. Proponents argue that Israel's position stands in contrast with its Law of Return that grants all Jews the right to settle permanently, while withholding any comparable right from Palestinians.[8]
...}

This right of return was pushed by the UN moderator, Folke Bernadotte, and because of this, Menachim Begin was personally involved in gunning down the UN moderator on the streets of Jerusalem.

Folke Bernadotte - Wikipedia

{...
After the war, Bernadotte was unanimously chosen to be the United Nations Security Council mediator in the Arab–Israeli conflict of 1947–1948. He was assassinated in Jerusalem in 1948 by the paramilitary Zionist group Lehi while pursuing his official duties.
...}

The UN is a Stalin creation that is as anti-Semitic as you are.


The U.N. charter was authored by a communist, the first U.N. Secretary-general was a communist, and the U.N., from the beginning, was designed to be a Union of World Socialist Republics.


Stalin's spy, Alger Hiss was the leading force in the designing of the United Nations. He was secretary of the Dumbarten Oaks Conversations from August to October of 1944 where most of the preliminary planning for the U.N. was done. He was Roosevelt's right-hand man in February of 1945 at Yalta where the postwar boundaries of Europe were drawn (Roosevelt was a dying man at the time. His death came only ten weeks later). At Yalta it was agreed that the Soviet Union would have three votes (one each for Russia, Ukraine, and Byelorussia) in the U.N. General Assembly, even though the United States had only one.


.... three years later. Alger Hiss was exposed as a communist spy and sent to prison. Only then did people understand why the emblem of the United Nations looked so much like the emblem of the Soviet Union.

What The U.N. Doesn't Want You To Know

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/un_doesnt_want_you_to_know.htm

Of course they hate America and its ally.

 

[Old Man Grumbles]

Gee, thanks </sarcasm>

I'm in absolutely not in need of any of your "education" from your strict inability to view both sides of the issue.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Gee, thanks </sarcasm>

I'm in absolutely not in need of any of your "education" from your strict inability to view both sides of the issue.

"I'm in absolutely not in need of any of your "education"


Actually....you are.

In dire need.

Notice that everything I post is linked, sourced and documented.


And you've not been able to do so with your 'side.'


Let me know if you are in need of a list of books to read.....

 

[LaDairis]

The UN is a Stalin creation that is as anti-Semitic as you are.

In 2000, Israel was the only country on the planet outside of its UN defined borders...

Hence, the UN is "anti-semitic" for noticing....


14 out of 15 UNSC member states condemn Israeli sovereignty on Golan




The only reason Israel isn't accountable for being the #1 problem country on the planet is our sold out political class here in the US. Only the US does this. The vote is always 14-1.


Then, in 2001, the US became the second country outside of its UN defined borders.... because we had THE WORST TRAITOR in US history lying to us about who hit us on 911.

 

[Rigby5]

nd

A question no Democrat/Obama supporter has ever been able to answer:
What benefit did America, or the world, accrue by Obama's guaranteeing nuclear weapons to the world's worst state sponsor of terrorism?




10. "...Robert Malley, the former senior White House official who served as point man for President Barack Obama’s realignment strategy, published an essay in Foreign Affairs titled “The Unwanted Wars: Why the Middle East Is More Combustible Than Ever,” in which he laid out what he sees as the future of Obama’s foreign policy legacy.

Obama’s core vision for the region. The goal of achieving “balance” in America’s posture in the Middle East is how Obama presented his strategy of realigning American interests with Iran. For Obama, it was not in America’s interest to lead a regional alliance system which stands in opposition to Iran, and which therefore threatens to move the U.S. closer to war. Rebalancing away from traditional allies means moving closer to Iran, and away from the security architecture in which America had formerly been invested.

What America should, and must, do when confronted with such a tinderbox is obvious: backpedal away, fast, while kicking our former allies in the region to the curb, hard."
Malley in Wonderland





Iran??? A military power with the political views of Nazi Germany?

This was Obama's plan: provide 7th century barbarians with nuclear weapons????

After promising that Iran would never get nuclear weapons, Obama guaranteed them nukes.

October 7 2008, in the second presidential debate: "We cannot allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon. It would be a game-changer in the region. Not only would it threaten Israel, our strongest ally in the region and one of our strongest allies in the world, but it would also create a possibility of nuclear weapons falling into the hands of terrorists. And so it's unacceptable. And I will do everything that's required to prevent it. And we will never take military options off the table"





There are only two possible explanations:
a. a visceral hatred of America and Western Civilization

b. his admission that he never abandoned the Muslim faith of his childhood.

Liar.
Iran has every legal right in the world to have a nuclear deterrent after the US illegally invaded the innocent country of Iraq and caused the sovereign leader to be murdered.

And Ombama did not at all advance any Iranian project to gain nuclear weapons, but instead froze them, with adequate inspections to ensure no progress would be made.

No they don't, you moron.

1. Hussein Obama:
March 6, 2012, press conference: "And what I have said is, is that we will not countenance Iran getting a nuclear weapon. My policy is not containment; my policy is to prevent them from getting a nuclear weapon -- because if they get a nuclear weapon that could trigger an arms race in the region, it would undermine our non-proliferation goals, it could potentially fall into the hands of terrorists.



2. The Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, commonly known as the Non-ProliferationTreaty or NPT, is an international treaty whose objective is to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons and weapons technology, to promote cooperation in the peaceful uses of nuclear energy, and to further the goal of ...
Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons - Wikipedia
Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons - Wikipedia


3.war criminal - an offender who violates international law during timesof war
offender, wrongdoer - a person who transgresses moral or civillaw
war criminal

Liar.

1. Clearly what Obama said is that he negotiated a freeze on weapons development by Iran.

2. The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty is entirely VOLUNTARY!
Anyone attempting to force non-proliferation on any sovereign nation is a criminal.

3. The US clearly is a war criminal for illegally invading Iraq when they threatened no one.
Israel is a war criminal for not allowing the right of return to refugees, collective retribution, illegally blockading civilian commerce, etc.

There was never any 'freeze,' and never any inspections.


Only a fool like you imagines there were.



1. Anyone who maintains that Iran is living up to the agreement is a bald-faced liar!!!


No one knows, no one can tell…..because the deal prevents actual inspections.



2. "The deal's provisions for inspections of military facilities, or "undeclared sites," involve a complex process with plenty of opportunities for Iran to stall. Tehran can propose alternatives to on-site inspections, or reject the request, which would trigger a 24-day process for the Joint Commission countries to override the rejection.

That could drag on for months. And under ambiguities built into the deal, it's unclear whether Iran must allow IAEA inspectors into military sites, or whether the Iranians can take their own environmental samples and send them to the IAEA for testing, as was allowed under a 2015 side agreement that let Iran use its own experts to inspect the Parchin military site."
U.S. seeks to test Iran deal with more inspections



3. Obama's Iran Nuclear Deal Allows the Regime to Develop a Weapon ...
"Krauthammer’s Take: Obama ‘Caved’ on Inspections, Now Iran Is Developing a Nuclear Weapon"
Read more at: Krauthammer’s Take: Obama ‘Caved’ on Inspections, Now Iran Is Developing a Nuclear Weapon



4. § The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) was not allowed to inspect or monitor Iran's military sites where nuclear activities were most likely being carried out. Among the many concessions that the Obama administration gave the Iranian government, one was accepting the Iranian leaders' demand that these military sites would be out of the IAEA's reach.

§ Due to this surrender, various high-profile Iranian sites such as the Parchin military complex, located southeast of Tehran, were free to engage in nuclear activities without the risk of inspection.

§ Once the authoritarian, anti-Semitic and anti-American government of Iran possess a nuclear bomb, no amount of actions will be able reverse the catastrophe.

§ Stop Iran From Going Nuclear




5. In 2015, President Obama promised when he tried to sell the deal to a skeptical American public that the Iranians agreed to the "most robust and intrusive inspections and transparency regime, ever negotiated for any nuclear program in history," based on "unprecedented verification." Moreover, Obama adviser Ben Rhodes reassured the public repeatedly that the deal included "anywhere, anytime" inspections and 24-7 access to Iran's key nuclear facilities.

But in reality, the administration repeatedly lied to the American public by misrepresenting the deal and the nature of the inspections Iran agreed to. The robust inspections referred only to Iran's declared nuclear sites. Other sites that the IAEA has suspicions about, including all military sites and undeclared nuclear sites, fell under a separate cheating-friendly procedure.

One of the most controversial issues in the 2015 negotiations was whether the U.N.'s IAEA would be able to visit military sites if they had questions about suspected nuclear activities or facilities within them. In the end, Iranian leader Ayatollah Khamenei on June 23, 2015 stated that granting access to Iran's military sites was a red line, and the U.S. and its partners gave in and agreed on language with Iran avoiding a direct mention of the military sites issue.

Instead, the deal stated that in order to allay IAEA concerns, Iran would give access within a 24-day time frame, after the IAEA made a request to visit a suspected site. Furthermore, the deal stated that if Iran refused the access, the Islamist state and the IAEA would have additional 14 days to resolve the agreement among themselves. If they failed to agree, a joint commission comprising the six member-nations who are parties to the agreement would consider the matter for an additional week.

In conclusion, according to the agreement, Iran can continue its uranium enrichment program and continue developing its weapon program at its many military sites, and every time the IAEA suspects anything, the Iranians can have 24 days at a minimum and 45 days maximum to delay the access, sanitize the sites, or transfer the unauthorized nuclear work to another unauthorized military site.
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/05/obama_and_irans_nuclear_lies.html#ixzz5nH0Ua9im




Bet you feel pretty stooooooopid right now, huh?

Liar.
The International Atomic Energy Association has conducted dozens of nuclear freeze inspection successfully for decades, and not once have they failed.
They use instrumentation, seals, etc., and can not be evaded or sanitized as you claim.
Who do are we to beleive, the IAEA and the UN, or your ridiculous lies?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The UN is a Stalin creation that is as anti-Semitic as you are.

In 2000, Israel was the only country on the planet outside of its UN defined borders...

Hence, the UN is "anti-semitic" for noticing....


14 out of 15 UNSC member states condemn Israeli sovereignty on Golan




The only reason Israel isn't accountable for being the #1 problem country on the planet is our sold out political class here in the US. Only the US does this. The vote is always 14-1.


Then, in 2001, the US became the second country outside of its UN defined borders.... because we had THE WORST TRAITOR in US history lying to us about who hit us on 911.

"A young American diplomat was the leading force in the designing of the United Nations. He was secretary of the Dumbarten Oaks Conversations from August to October of 1944 where most of the preliminary planning for the U.N. was done.

He was Roosevelt's right-hand man in February of 1945 at Yalta where the postwar boundaries of Europe were drawn (Roosevelt was a dying man at the time. His death came only ten weeks later).

At Yalta it was agreed that the Soviet Union would have three votes (one each for Russia, Ukraine, and Byelorussia) in the U.N. General Assembly, even though the United States had only one. At Yalta much of Europe was placed under the iron heel of communist rule. At Yalta, Churchill, Roosevelt, and Stalin appointed this young diplomatic shining star to be the first Secretary-general of the U.N. for the founding conference held in San Francisco,April/June of 1945.

All of this seemed well and good until three years later. Alger Hiss was exposed as a communist spy...."
What The U.N. Doesn't Want You To Know

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/un_doesnt_want_you_to_know.htm

Sanity for Superheroes: What The U.N. Doesn't Want You To Know