Trump admits he set President Biden up for failure with the Afghanistan withdrawal...

[Kruska]

Hold on a minute. If the situation was as you say, then why didn't Biden reverse course? If you want to say that withdrawal itself was a mistake, then Biden did have the option of ending the agreement. The withdrawal ended in September 2021. That's several months where Biden could have decided to reverse course. That doesn't vindicate Trump, but given your argument here, Biden could have chosen to scrap the agreement since the Taliban wasn't holding up their part of the deal. The additional leverage out of this was that the Afghani government wasn't officially involved in the agreement.

Come on - at least try to be honest with yourself.

The American public wanted (in majority) their boys out of Afghanistan.
Trump made use of this "demand" via propagating he is going to end US involvement in Afghanistan, during his tenure.
That he then totally screwed it up, is a fact.

Both Biden and Trump - promised to end US engagement in Afghanistan - during their 2020 election campaign - needing those votes.
So simply because Trump had made a total mess out of it - you then expect Biden to break his "promise" towards his voters, and redeploy US troops into Afghanistan? and continue to fight the Taliban?

 

[OKTexas]

Well it happened. Turns out it was a seriously flawed decision

It didn't happen when Trump was in the WH, I'm sure xiden shit canned Trump's target list. He's been proven stupid that way.

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[BlindBoo]

but you can certainly question why he wouldn't attempt to get some of it back if the situation was one where the Afghan government looked likely to fall.

We were providing the Afghan Army with air support as late as July of 2021 in their fight against the Taliban. Could you just ask them nicely for the weapons back, the weapons we gave them to protect themselves with?

 

[Lone Wanderer]

Come on - at least try to be honest with yourself.

The American public wanted (in majority) their boys out of Afghanistan.
Trump made use of this "demand" via propagating he is going to end US involvement in Afghanistan, during his tenure.
That he then totally screwed it up, is a fact.

Both Biden and Trump - promised to end US engagement in Afghanistan - during their 2020 election campaign - needing those votes.
So simply because Trump had made a total mess out of it - you then expect Biden to break his "promise" towards his voters, and redeploy US troops into Afghanistan? and continue to fight the Taliban?

Biden isn't exactly averse to breaking promises. Also, it wouldn't really be breaking a promise if we can assume that Trump made the deal untenable before Biden entered office. If honesty is what you're interested in, then your own logic would dictate that the deal should not have been completed. If it was already crap before Biden entered office, then he could have pointed this out and explained that withdrawal wasn't feasible at that point.

Think of it this way. Obama made a deal with Iran that Trump eventually scrapped. Why? Because it was crap. He didn't follow through with it just because of the prior administration. Biden could have taken the same tactic if he really believed the deal was botched.

 

[Lone Wanderer]

We were providing the Afghan Army with air support as late as July of 2021 in their fight against the Taliban. Could you just ask them nicely for the weapons back, the weapons we gave them to protect themselves with?

So, I'll ask you the same question as Kruska. Given everything you're saying here and before, the conditions sound more like a surge would be more appropriate than a withdrawal.

In short, pick one or the other. Either the withdrawal was crap before Biden entered office because Trump bungled the deal, but Biden screwed up by not reversing course. Or, withdrawal was still worth it, but Biden didn't handle it well.

You can't have it both ways.

 

[Lesh]

Afghan conflict: Trump hails deal with Taliban to end 18-year war

The US president says 5,000 troops will leave Afghanistan by May and he will meet Taliban leaders.

www.bbc.com

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“Trump said “ is not a blueprint

 

[Lesh]

So, I'll ask you the same question as Kruska. Given everything you're saying here and before, the conditions sound more like a surge would be more appropriate than a withdrawal.

In short, pick one or the other. Either the withdrawal was crap before Biden entered office because Trump bungled the deal, but Biden screwed up by not reversing course. Or, withdrawal was still worth it, but Biden didn't handle it well.

You can't have it both ways.

Biden did the best he could with the shit sandwich Trump left him.

And he did pretty damn good.

Dunkirk good

 

[GLASNOST]

Opposition to Vladimir Putin in Russia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There's a list of 108 people who opposed Vladimir Putin, and Navalny and his wife are both on the list, and Gennady Andreyevich Zyuganov isn't listed anywhere.

So, you rely on Wikipedia. Ain't that nice. A balanced diet is always recommended:

 

[Lone Wanderer]

Biden did the best he could with the shit sandwich Trump left him.

And he did pretty damn good.

Dunkirk good

As much as your side accuses Trump supporters as being cultists, this response by you is very cultish in its own right.

 

[Blisterfinger]

We all know Trump deliberately set up Biden.

So you're saying Biden was so stupid that he let Trump set him up?

 

[Kruska]

Biden isn't exactly averse to breaking promises. Also, it wouldn't really be breaking a promise if we can assume that Trump made the deal untenable before Biden entered office. If honesty is what you're interested in, then your own logic would dictate that the deal should not have been completed. If it was already crap before Biden entered office, then he could have pointed this out and explained that withdrawal wasn't feasible at that point.

This isn't just about breaking an utmost important promise towards the voters - But about Trump having made a total mess in regards to the US pullout. (Which you prefer to simply ignore). Had Trump done a respectable or semiprofessional job, - we wouldn't even need to discuss about how this pullout turned into a disaster.

Think of it this way. Obama made a deal with Iran that Trump eventually scrapped. Why? Because it was crap. He didn't follow through with it just because of the prior administration. Biden could have taken the same tactic if he really believed the deal was botched.

No need to derail this thread - but since you do it:
Obama was absolutely in line, and following up a common agreed upon policy with it's US allies, towards Iran. That factually worked.

Just as Afghanistan - Trump simply ignored the US allies and thus paved the way for Iran to conduct it's nuclear ambitions. Trump also did the exact same shit, with N-Korea and with Russia&China in regards to ballistic and intermediate missiles. IMO, there is absolutely no need to discuss/debate about Trump's proven inability, to conduct a foreign policy that would be in favor of the USA and it's allies interests and to their benefit.

If you like Trump -then that is your personal issue, and is totally irrelevant of all his proven fuckups.

 

[BlindBoo]

So, I'll ask you the same question as Kruska. Given everything you're saying here and before, the conditions sound more like a surge would be more appropriate than a withdrawal.

In short, pick one or the other. Either the withdrawal was crap before Biden entered office because Trump bungled the deal, but Biden screwed up by not reversing course. Or, withdrawal was still worth it, but Biden didn't handle it well.

You can't have it both ways.

The Generals most assuredly advised him that as the leader of the most powerful military on earth he could change course, and continue the 20 year occupation war. With enough fresh bodies, ops I mean fresh soldiers, we could take Kabul and eventually all of Afghanistan again with just a few thousand casualties. They never said they could force the Taliban to comply with the Accords from 2020. All those goodies were gone. We'd have to fight, kill and die to take back what the Accords made us abandon. We could kill a lot more people if we stayed at war.

President Biden made the right decision not to continue the occupation. No soldiers were killed in combat with the Taliban after the fall of our one time allies in Aug. 2021. Our military pulled off one of the greatest evacuation in modern history.

 

[Lone Wanderer]

This isn't just about breaking an utmost important promise towards the voters - But about Trump having made a total mess in regards to the US pullout. (Which you prefer to simply ignore). Had Trump done a respectable or semiprofessional job, - we wouldn't even need to discuss about how this pullout turned into a disaster.

No need to derail this thread - but since you do it:
Obama was absolutely in line, and following up a common agreed upon policy with it's US allies, towards Iran. That factually worked.

Just as Afghanistan - Trump simply ignored the US allies and thus paved the way for Iran to conduct it's nuclear ambitions. Trump also did the exact same shit, with N-Korea and with Russia&China in regards to ballistic and intermediate missiles. IMO, there is absolutely no need to discuss/debate about Trump's proven inability, to conduct a foreign policy that would be in favor of the USA and it's allies interests and to their benefit.

If you like Trump -then that is your personal issue, and is totally irrelevant of all his proven fuckups.

Israeli intelligence showed that the Iran deal only made it easier for Iran to pursue nuclear weapons and fund terrorism.

White House Has Known for Weeks about Israel's Stolen Iran Documents

Trump strategized with Netanyahu about how to make them public.

time.com

Having a detente with North Korea doesn't sound like a fuckup to me, but Acosta certainly tried to sabotage that.

Also, Putin was far more aggressive with both Obama and Biden than with Trump.

China made several concessions to Trump. Those don't sound like fuckups to me.

 

[OKTexas]

“Trump said “ is not a blueprint

What ever commie.

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[Lesh]

What ever commie.

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Surrender accepted

 

[Lone Wanderer]

The Generals most assuredly advised him that as the leader of the most powerful military on earth he could change course, and continue the 20 year occupation war. With enough fresh bodies, ops I mean fresh soldiers, we could take Kabul and eventually all of Afghanistan again with just a few thousand casualties. They never said they could force the Taliban to comply with the Accords from 2020. All those goodies were gone. We'd have to fight, kill and die to take back what the Accords made us abandon. We could kill a lot more people if we stayed at war.

President Biden made the right decision not to continue the occupation. No soldiers were killed in combat with the Taliban after the fall of our one time allies in Aug. 2021. Our military pulled off one of the greatest evacuation in modern history.

Hold on. You earlier said that it was a terrible situation because of Trump, but now, it's the "greatest evacuation in modern history?" I'm assuming you meant to add "given the circumstances". Otherwise, you contradicted yourself here.

 

[GLASNOST]

So you're saying Biden was so stupid that he let Trump set him up?

Answering that question would take at least 50 pages but the main points are:

1). Is Biden so stupid?
2). Did Trump set him up?

 

[Kruska]

So, I'll ask you the same question as Kruska. Given everything you're saying here and before, the conditions sound more like a surge would be more appropriate than a withdrawal.

In short, pick one or the other. Either the withdrawal was crap before Biden entered office because Trump bungled the deal, but Biden screwed up by not reversing course. Or, withdrawal was still worth it, but Biden didn't handle it well.

You can't have it both ways.

Biden - obviously was not willing to "reverse course" aka to redeploy US troops to combat the Taliban. Especially not after Trump had "factually enforced" the US allies to pull out as well. You sure they would have redeployed their troops - after having been fully screwed by a previous US president? - if Biden had decided to redeploy troops it would have been a 100% sole US enterprise in Afghanistan.

Since you obviously support Trumps pullout - then why do you ask/expect senile Biden to reverse YOUR very own demand?
Hypocrite tendencies??

It is simply MAGA's and their Fuehrer constant and well known attempts to whitewash themselves and blame all their own lame and disastrous actions, onto senile Biden aka the Democrats. A pure Waste of time to debate about - don't you think so?

 

[Lone Wanderer]

Biden - obviously was not willing to "reverse course" aka to redeploy US troops to combat the Taliban. Especially not after Trump had "factually enforced" the US allies to pull out as well. You sure they would have redeployed their troops - after having been fully screwed by a previous US president? - if Biden had decided to redeploy troops it would have been a 100% sole US enterprise in Afghanistan.

Since you obviously support Trumps pullout - then why do you ask/expect senile Biden to reverse YOUR very own demand?
Hypocrite tendencies??

It is simply MAGA's and their Fuehrer constant and well known attempts to whitewash themselves and blame all their own lame and disastrous actions, onto senile Biden aka the Democrats. A pure Waste of time to debate about - don't you think so?

No Kruska, I'm actually just trying to figure out if you have a stance in this other than just pure partisanship. The same for BlindBoo. I'm willing to humor the notion that Trump screwed things up before Biden entered office, but I'm trying to understand how reversing course was somehow off the table.

At the same time, your friend Boo seems to have a glowing opinion of the withdrawal while simultaneously lamenting that it happened at all.

 

[Lesh]

No Kruska, I'm actually just trying to figure out if you have a stance in this other than just pure partisanship. The same for BlindBoo. I'm willing to humor the notion that Trump screwed things up before Biden entered office, but I'm trying to understand how not reversing course was somehow off the table.

At the same time, your friend Boo seems to have a glowing opinion of the withdrawal while simultaneously lamenting that it happened at all.

Watch your double negatives

Reversing course WAS off the table.

No one… no one wanted to continue that debacle