To tout universal basic income, presidential candidate puts skin in the game

[toomuchtime_]

Well that only leaves about 150,000,000 families.

That's where you come in. Yang has taken care of two families and now wants you to take care of the other 150,000,000.

 

[the other mike]

Alaska has been paying out oil dividends to each citizen for 40 years and counting, no complaints or change in employment rate.

 

[iceberg]

Alaska has been paying out oil dividends to each citizen for 40 years and counting, no complaints or change in employment rate.

Alaska Permanent Fund - Wikipedia

but it's not just "hey, give me money" as the funding for it comes from a very specific source with very specific requirements to meet. it's also nowhere near $1k a month, more like a year and that varies from $300 to $2000.

legislative actions have reduced the amount the last several years also. wonder why.

 

[the other mike]

Alaska has been paying out oil dividends to each citizen for 40 years and counting, no complaints or change in employment rate.

Alaska Permanent Fund - Wikipedia

but it's not just "hey, give me money" as the funding for it comes from a very specific source with very specific requirements to meet. it's also nowhere near $1k a month, more like a year and that varies from $300 to $2000.

legislative actions have reduced the amount the last several years also. wonder why.

True. They also have an average median family income $20,000 times higher than the national average
so they're not bitching are they ?

 

[iceberg]

Alaska has been paying out oil dividends to each citizen for 40 years and counting, no complaints or change in employment rate.

Alaska Permanent Fund - Wikipedia

but it's not just "hey, give me money" as the funding for it comes from a very specific source with very specific requirements to meet. it's also nowhere near $1k a month, more like a year and that varies from $300 to $2000.

legislative actions have reduced the amount the last several years also. wonder why.

True. They also have an average median family income $20,000 times higher than the national average
so they're not bitching are they ?

dunno. i've not gone up and asked them. however, this is not a universal income where they pull $ from "the rich" to robin hood it away and make friends. its source is there and defined and drives the revenue they get for living there a full calendar year w/intent to stay.

it's NOT "hey - great you're alive today, here's $100." THAT is "universal income".

you want money - go earn it.

 

[the other mike]

dunno. i've not gone up and asked them. however, this is not a universal income where they pull $ from "the rich" to robin hood it away and make friends. its source is there and defined and drives the revenue they get for living there a full calendar year w/intent to stay.

it's NOT "hey - great you're alive today, here's $100." THAT is "universal income".

you want money - go earn it.

I would just put it in the bank, personally.
First, the $12k a year goes to everyone 18 to 64, and second it's paid for through a value-added tax, which I've already explained more than once several pages back.

 

[iceberg]

dunno. i've not gone up and asked them. however, this is not a universal income where they pull $ from "the rich" to robin hood it away and make friends. its source is there and defined and drives the revenue they get for living there a full calendar year w/intent to stay.

it's NOT "hey - great you're alive today, here's $100." THAT is "universal income".

you want money - go earn it.

I would just put it in the bank, personally.
First, the $12k a year goes to everyone 18 to 64, and second it's paid for through a value-added tax, which I've already explained more than once several pages back.

cool. i think it's a great system for alaska to do. i just don't compare that to a universal income floating around.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Hey, Mr. History Professor. I seem to recall Japan taking a MUCH worse bombing in the 1940s, but I'm pretty sure THEY have lights and other modern amenities. Since you like to twit yourself on your history "knowledge", perhaps you recall that, as well.

Between 1946 and 1952, Washington invested $2.2 billion — or $18 billion in real 21st-century dollars adjusted for inflation — in Japan's reconstruction effort. We didn't give N. Korea shit, after we killed a third of the population, wiped out their bridges and nearly entire infrastructure including the only source of electricity .Attack on the Sui-ho Dam - Wikipedia

Are you saying the reason NK is a shithole is because we didn't rebuild them after the war?

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You see the analogy I made without having to spin my words.

You are saying that it was America's failure to rebuild NK, not the severely oppressive socialist policies of NK, that has caused NK to be a shithole 65+ years after the war?

That long after the fact, I'm going to go ahead and claim subsequent intervening causes. Like, socialism.

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[Andylusion]

Andrew Yang, an entrepreneur and presidential candidate, wants to give every American adult $1,000, every single month.

To test a universal basic income program, Yang is giving two families, one in Iowa and one in New Hampshire, $1,000 a month out of his own pocket, according to CBS News. Yang is running as a Democrat and both states are early primary contests for the 2020 presidential nomination.

Presidential candidate paying $1,000 universal basic income

Here he is with Joe Rogan recently.

That actually kind of illustrates the point..... He can't help the millions on millions that want a basic income, can he? Trying to do that on a national scale would bankrupt the country, just like him trying to do it with more than a few families, would eventually bankrupt him.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Where is this free money coming from?

A new tax.

 

[BluesLegend]

Where is this free money coming from?

A new tax.

Ah, so new dems same as the old dems tax and spend.

 

[the other mike]

Where is this free money coming from?

A new tax.

Where is this free money coming from?

A new tax.

Ah, so new dems same as the old dems tax and spend.

From this field of candidates, I'd say the Democrats have covered every demographic and ideology except for maybe a cartoon character .

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Is there any policy these democrat presidential candidates support that does not involve reaching into our pockets and taking more money?

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[the other mike]

Is there any policy these democrat presidential candidates support that does not involve reaching into our pockets and taking more money?

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We're still in a recession from 2008 genius.
And if a $20 trillion* shift in wealth from the middle class to the top, plus plunging us another $22 trillion into debt isn't taking our money, what the fuck do you call it ?
*That's what we know about.

 

[the other mike]

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

We're still in a recession from 2008 genius.
And if a $20 trillion shift in wealth from the middle class to the top, plus plunging us another $22 trillion into debt isn't taking our money, what the fuck do you call it ?
That's what we know about.

What the FUCK does that have to do with Democrats wanting to do NOTHING but take our money.



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[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

I have no problem holding the Pentagon accountable. You're barking up the wrong tree here.

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[the other mike]

We're still in a recession from 2008 genius.
And if a $20 trillion shift in wealth from the middle class to the top, plus plunging us another $22 trillion into debt isn't taking our money, what the fuck do you call it ?
That's what we know about.

What the FUCK does that have to do with Democrats wanting to do NOTHING but take our money.



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It started under Reaganomics, Einstein.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

It started under Reaganomics, Einstein.

What started?

Democrats wanting to do NOTHING but take our money?

I disagree. That started AT LEAST back to Woodrow Wilson.

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[danielpalos]

Explain this for me, please.


Scenario 1:
Caveman A shoots a rabbit with an arrow. On his way back to his cave, he is met by Caveman B, who demands a portion of the rabbit. When Caveman A refuses, Caveman B takes it by force.

What do we call that?

Theft.

Scenario 2:
Caveman A shoots a rabbit with an arrow. On his way back to his cave, he is met by Caveman C, who demands a portion of the rabbit to be given to Caveman B. When Caveman A refuses, Caveman C takes it by force.

Theft.

Scenario 3:
All local cavemen for an alliance to protect against attacks and plunder from other cavemen.

Caveman A shoots a rabbit with an arrow. On his way back to his cave, he is met by Caveman D, who has been appointed as the local governor of the newly-formed alliance. Caveman D, on behalf of the newly-formed alliance, demands from Caveman A a portion of the rabbit to be given to Caveman B. When Caveman A refuses, Caveman D takes it by force.

Taxation? What the Fuck?


Please explain how Caveman D acquired the right to take from Caveman A, when no individual under the newly-formed alliance had the right to take from Caveman A before the alliance was formed.

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Socialism is about equality and equal protection of the law, not lousy capitalism. You merely need better solutions at lower cost.