To those of you that hate ICE...

[Ghost of a Rider]

Then you hire enough people to process them.

The reason why Cheeto Hitler doesn't want to do that is probably half of them would have been granted aslyum.

Half of them probably don’t need or deserve asylum.

Again, we have MILLIONS here illegally. There’s no easy way to deal with it.

 

[JoeB131]

Half of them probably don’t need or deserve asylum.

Again, we have MILLIONS here illegally. There’s no easy way to deal with it.

Sure there is. You do what Reagan did. You give Amnesty to anyone who has been here for 10 years and has stayed out of trouble.
Then you can concentrate on the more recent arrivals.

You don't bother with anyone with a marriage claim. If someone was dumb enough to put his name on a marriage certificate, that's on him.

The problem with Asylum is that we don't have it clearly defined. If we have declared Venezuela or China an abuser of human rights, we would have a very hard time arguing that Paco or Chen aren't going to face persecution if we send them back.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Congress never voted on anything.

Musk was the one who went thorugh slashing jobs, offering illegal buyouts, etc.

Look, man, I know that DOGE was a shit-show, stop trying to pretend it wasn't all you.

/——/ No he didn’t.

 

[JoeB131]

/——/ No he didn’t.

Did you miss the whole fork in the road letter?

My neice's husband works for the IRS. They had hundreds of jobs slashed, which means more people will probably just cheat on their taxes, as no one will be looking to catch them.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Sure there is. You do what Reagan did. You give Amnesty to anyone who has been here for 10 years and has stayed out of trouble.
Then you can concentrate on the more recent arrivals.

You can think of a hundred ways to let them get away with it but I can think of one way not to. I say keep it simple and deport them.

You don't bother with anyone with a marriage claim. If someone was dumb enough to put his name on a marriage certificate, that's on him.

In other words, if he/she gets caught they should take responsibility and accept the consequences of their choice, right? Isn't that what I've been saying about illegals?

The problem with Asylum is that we don't have it clearly defined. If we have declared Venezuela or China an abuser of human rights, we would have a very hard time arguing that Paco or Chen aren't going to face persecution if we send them back.

I have no interest in taking in millions of asylum seekers from a bunch of countries where the population refuses to do anything about the corruption and oppression and then when they get here, wave the flags of their home countries to protest us. **** that.

 

[JoeB131]

You can think of a hundred ways to let them get away with it but I can think of one way not to. I say keep it simple and deport them.

Except you can't deport 13 million people. It's logistically impossible.

The government can maybe deport 400K a year (and that's what Trump really deported, despite his bullshit claims about self-deportation). Eventually, you are going to have to reconcile yourself to some of these brown people staying, as icky as your racist ass finds that.

("But, but, but, I have Hispanic friends!!!! He's being mean to me again, Smirky Plushie!")

In other words, if he/she gets caught they should take responsibility and accept the consequences of their choice, right? Isn't that what I've been saying about illegals?

If they get caught, that's their problem. When they get taken for half their wealth because it was a sham marriage, that's on them. The government shouldn't be involved.

I have no interest in taking in millions of asylum seekers from a bunch of countries where the population refuses to do anything about the corruption and oppression and then when they get here, wave the flags of their home countries to protest us. **** that.

Yeah, **** those guys!
I love how Christian you people are.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Except you can't deport 13 million people. It's logistically impossible.

No, it's not. It would take time just as it took time for them all to get here.

It doesn't even matter if they don't get them all and I don't believe they will. I would be content that concerted actions to find and deport illegals will deter others from trying to come here illegally and stem the tide of thousands and millions a year coming over the border.

The government can maybe deport 400K a year (and that's what Trump really deported, despite his bullshit claims about self-deportation). Eventually, you are going to have to reconcile yourself to some of these brown people staying, as icky as your racist ass finds that.

I've already reconciled "brown people" staying and in fact, I welcome it. The ones who are here legally.

I've already told you this many times but you must stick to your racism narrative because you're too stupid and narrow minded to consider other possibilities for motives of opposing opinions.

I want people to be accountable and accept responsibility and the consequences of their choices. Not ***** about it and blame others when they're caught which they knew full well was always a possibility. You simply want minorities ("brown people") to think you're that rare white paragon of virtue.

("But, but, but, I have Hispanic friends!!!! He's being mean to me again, Smirky Plushie!")

"But, but, but, I have immigrant friends who wanna get married!"

If they get caught, that's their problem. When they get taken for half their wealth because it was a sham marriage, that's on them. The government shouldn't be involved.

The government is, and always has been, involved in matters of law and immigration is a matter of law. So is marriage for that matter.

Yeah, **** those guys!
I love how Christian you people are.

I never claimed to be a Christian and in fact, I've told you a few times in the past that I'm an atheist. Dumbass.

 

[JoeB131]

No, it's not. It would take time just as it took time for them all to get here.

It doesn't even matter if they don't get them all and I don't believe they will. I would be content that concerted actions to find and deport illegals will deter others from trying to come here illegally and stem the tide of thousands and millions a year coming over the border.

Except that if you never go after the people who hire them (rich white people), the rewards will always be greater than the risks.

The worst thing you can do to an undocumented immigrant (without violating his human rights) is to send him home. That's just not much of a threat as long as he can always sneak back in and still get a job.

I've already reconciled "brown people" staying and in fact, I welcome it. The ones who are here legally.

I've already told you this many times but you must stick to your racism narrative because you're too stupid and narrow minded to consider other possibilities for motives of opposing opinions.

Nope, you're a racist. Deal with it.

I want people to be accountable and accept responsibility and the consequences of their choices. Not ***** about it and blame others when they're caught which they knew full well was always a possibility. You simply want minorities ("brown people") to think you're that rare white paragon of virtue.

Not being a racist asshole is hardly being a "paragon". In fact, it's being a racist asshole that takes an effort.

The government is, and always has been, involved in matters of law and immigration is a matter of law. So is marriage for that matter.

Then they should fix the law to reflect reality.

I never claimed to be a Christian and in fact, I've told you a few times in the past that I'm an atheist. Dumbass.

Yet you are all for twats like Sandman protesting abortion because God said it's bad.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Except that if you never go after the people who hire them (rich white people), the rewards will always be greater than the risks.

Except of course, that if you also never go after the illegals (brown people), again, the rewards will always still be greater than the risks. However, if you go after the illegals, the risks will always be greater than the rewards. See how that works?

None of this is to say we shouldn't prosecute those who hire illegals; we should. But this trope by those on the left about going after those who hire illegals is just that, a trope. It is just a talking point and no one is really serious about it.
All it is is a deflection from the fact that illegals are breaking the law just as much as those who hire them. But the left must have their pet victims and their pat enemies and for them, the enemy will always be the ones who want illegals deported, not the ones who hire them.

But you and I both know that even if they went after those who hire illegals more vigorously, you'd still be crying about your pet brown people being deported.

The worst thing you can do to an undocumented immigrant (without violating his human rights) is to send him home. That's just not much of a threat as long as he can always sneak back in and still get a job.

You ***** when they're sent home anyway. So what?

Nope, you're a racist. Deal with it.

I'm not the one who needs to "deal with it", you are. It's your leitmotif, not mine.

Not being a racist asshole is hardly being a "paragon". In fact, it's being a racist asshole that takes an effort.

So you must be sweating buckets hating Catholics, right?

Then they should fix the law to reflect reality.

You mean deport people who come here illegally? I believe they are but you idiots whine about it.

Yet you are all for twats like Sandman protesting abortion because God said it's bad.

I've never said a word about Sandmann protesting abortion except to say it had nothing to do with the events in D.C.. Beyond that, I don't give a shit just as much as I don't give a shit that you're pro-choice. It's entirely irrelevant. It's what I've been telling you for six ******* years you idiot.

 

[JoeB131]

Except of course, that if you also never go after the illegals (brown people), again, the rewards will always still be greater than the risks. However, if you go after the illegals, the risks will always be greater than the rewards. See how that works?

Naw, that's ******* retarded. They come here because their are jobs, not to hang out with bigots like you.

None of this is to say we shouldn't prosecute those who hire illegals; we should. But this trope by those on the left about going after those who hire illegals is just that, a trope. It is just a talking point and no one is really serious about it.
All it is is a deflection from the fact that illegals are breaking the law just as much as those who hire them. But the left must have their pet victims and their pat enemies and for them, the enemy will always be the ones who want illegals deported, not the ones who hire them.

I'm perfectly serious about it. Of course, it won't happen because we never do anything bad to rich white people in this country.

But you and I both know that even if they went after those who hire illegals more vigorously, you'd still be crying about your pet brown people being deported.

Why do I get the feeling you sent the Cinnabon lady money?

You mean deport people who come here illegally? I believe they are but you idiots whine about it.

I know, man, your racism is strong. How dare they come here and mess up your nice white country?

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Naw, that's ******* retarded. They come here because their are jobs, not to hang out with bigots like you.

The **** does that have to do with what I said?

I'm perfectly serious about it. Of course, it won't happen because we never do anything bad to rich white people in this country.

So you want the people who hire illegals to be accountable for their choices but you don't want illegals held accountable for theirs. Does that about sum it up?

Why do I get the feeling you sent the Cinnabon lady money?

Probably the same reason you get the feeling that Sandmann being Catholic is relevant to the allegation of harassing Phillips: you're a ******* idiot.

I know, man, your racism is strong. How dare they come here and mess up your nice white country?

Who, illegal immigrants?

 

[JoeB131]

So you want the people who hire illegals to be accountable for their choices but you don't want illegals held accountable for theirs. Does that about sum it up?

The people hiring them are the problem, along with our lack of a sensible guest worker program to meet legitimate labor needs.

But being a bigot, always pick on the poor brown person while letting the rich white person off the hook.

 

[JohnDB]

 

[22lcidw]

The **** does that have to do with what I said?


So you want the people who hire illegals to be accountable for their choices but you don't want illegals held accountable for theirs. Does that about sum it up?


Probably the same reason you get the feeling that Sandmann being Catholic is relevant to the allegation of harassing Phillips: you're a ******* idiot.

Who, illegal immigrants?

When Progs control politics, civility is thrown away. Every Prog city can be destroyed easily with that thinking to the max. Prog cities with leadership that stays under control keeps them existing. Pure socialism means that all people must live under constraints. The private side trickledown theory is the truth in government social largesse only the tax money extracted gives fewer crumbs to those needing it.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

The people hiring them are the problem, along with our lack of a sensible guest worker program to meet legitimate labor needs.

They're not "guest workers", they're illegal immigrants. Besides, a guest worker program would be defrauded just as much as the asylum system we have now. They would come in as "guests" - albeit laborers - and just stay.

But being a bigot, always pick on the poor brown person while letting the rich white person off the hook.

Either you're deliberately choosing to ignore things I've said out of an inherent need for trollish behavior or you have the memory of a jellyfish. I already said we should prosecute people who hire illegals. Dumbass.

 

[JoeB131]

They're not "guest workers", they're illegal immigrants. Besides, a guest worker program would be defrauded just as much as the asylum system we have now. They would come in as "guests" - albeit laborers - and just stay.

You miss the point entirely. We don't have guest worker programs (Or at least not adequate ones) to meet the labor needs of the market. So employers are forced to hire undocumented workers, and the undocumented are forced to skirt the law to feed their families.

Simple enough solution. Create a guest worker program, and give an amnesty to people who are already working those jobs, with the understanding that it's only a limited visa and they have to go home at the end of it. (After which they can apply for new ones.)

Either you're deliberately choosing to ignore things I've said out of an inherent need for trollish behavior or you have the memory of a jellyfish. I already said we should prosecute people who hire illegals. Dumbass.

But we don't do that! Shit, if we did that, we could probably start with Mango Mussolini himself, who has employed undocumented immigrants.

presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/rubio-campaign-press-release-fact-check-donald-trump-used-illegal-immigrants-build-trump

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

You miss the point entirely. We don't have guest worker programs (Or at least not adequate ones) to meet the labor needs of the market.

I know that. My point is that giving them a different name doesn't change anything: they're here illegally.

So employers are forced to hire undocumented workers, and the undocumented are forced to skirt the law to feed their families.

No one's forced to do anything. This is a fact of life that entirely escapes you. Everything is a choice.

Another fact that escapes you is that none of these people were starving or dying in their home countries. Unless there is a famine going on across the whole of Latin America we haven't heard about, coming to America is not necessary for survival or even feeding their families.

Simple enough solution. Create a guest worker program, and give an amnesty to people who are already working those jobs, with the understanding that it's only a limited visa and they have to go home at the end of it. (After which they can apply for new ones.)

They're already violating their visa agreements. What makes you think this would make any difference?

But we don't do that! Shit, if we did that, we could probably start with Mango Mussolini himself, who has employed undocumented immigrants.

Irrelevant.

I said we should prosecute those who hire illegals and then you say: "But being a bigot, always pick on the poor brown person while letting the rich white person off the hook."

You turned right around as if I never said we should prosecute illegals to call me a bigot and imply that I don't think we should prosecute them. As I said, either you're deliberately choosing to ignore things I've said out of an inherent need for trollish behavior or you have the memory of a jellyfish.

 

[JoeB131]

I know that. My point is that giving them a different name doesn't change anything: they're here illegally.

Well, no, once you declare them guest workers, they become legal. See how that works?

No one's forced to do anything. This is a fact of life that entirely escapes you. Everything is a choice.

I agree. So if we start fining the crap out of the rich white assholes, they will make better choices. Or more likely, they'll finally force immigration reform, which I'm also good with.

Another fact that escapes you is that none of these people were starving or dying in their home countries. Unless there is a famine going on across the whole of Latin America we haven't heard about, coming to America is not necessary for survival or even feeding their families.

Again, you are really too stupid to understand why people come here.

They're already violating their visa agreements. What makes you think this would make any difference?

With proper workplace enforcement, there wouldn't be a point.

You turned right around as if I never said we should prosecute illegals to call me a bigot and imply that I don't think we should prosecute them. As I said, either you're deliberately choosing to ignore things I've said out of an inherent need for trollish behavior or you have the memory of a jellyfish.

Actually, it's more the studity of prosecuting them.

The worst you can do is to send them back, only for them to turn right around and come back again.

ANd if he doesn't, there are ten more that will.

But you put the rich white guy on the spot to where he doesn't do that anymore, they won't come for those jobs.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Well, no, once you declare them guest workers, they become legal. See how that works?

So again, hold those who hire illegals accountable but not illegals.

I agree. So if we start fining the crap out of the rich white assholes, they will make better choices. Or more likely, they'll finally force immigration reform, which I'm also good with.

Perhaps. But the fact remains that millions came here or stayed illegally and they are just as deserving of accountability as the "rich white assholes".

Again, you are really too stupid to understand why people come here.

I know exactly why they come here. I'm just not as naive as you are and I'm not as forgiving of bad or risky choices as you seem to be, even if they're brown.

So it's not a matter of my not knowing, it's a matter of my not caring when they choose to come here illegally.

With proper workplace enforcement, there wouldn't be a point.

It would defeat the purpose of cheap labor because sooner or later, they will be demanding white people wages. So no, I doubt that would work because I doubt most companies will want to give that up.

Actually, it's more the studity of prosecuting them.

The worst you can do is to send them back, only for them to turn right around and come back again.

Not if we secure the border, which we're trying to do right now.

ANd if he doesn't, there are ten more that will.

But you put the rich white guy on the spot to where he doesn't do that anymore, they won't come for those jobs.

You really are naive, aren't you?

 

[JoeB131]

Racists trying to pretend they aren't racists.

So again, hold those who hire illegals accountable but not illegals.

Yup. They aren't doing anything really that wrong. Trying to make a better life for yourself is good. Exploiting poor people to make yourself richer is bad.

I'm sorry your moral compass is so fucked up you can't see the difference... but not surprised.

I know exactly why they come here. I'm just not as naive as you are and I'm not as forgiving of bad or risky choices as you seem to be, even if they're brown.

Right, how dare those brown people mess up you nice white neighborhood.

If find it amazing that in a country stolen by white people from people of color, built on the slave labor of people of color, that some white people have the nerve to turn up their noses at people of color wanting to come here.

But racists are going to racist.