To save America is to save the right idea

[rupol2000]

You're missing the point.
The US electorate has changed from 1980, it shifted a bit left.
Reagan would not win an election in 2024 with "conservative" policies.
Trump found the winning formula with his "America First" policies, attracting both independents and democrats.

I see no sense in choosing between the two leftists, must look for another way

 

[rupol2000]

Actually, that is where the right's extremes begin. I don't want to say that going to church or having a 'traditional' family is a bad thing. On the contrary, for some people that works great. But if these people are trying to force their values on others, then that definitely is not good.

these are generally not right values. Christianity is a leftist organization, the liberal family has nothing to do with the patriarchal family.

 

[frigidweirdo]

There is no depth there. Von Bismarck and his followers expanded Prussian influence in Europe and imposed their own system. This is the whole essence of "Germany"

Before​

After​

I can imagine you writing a History book, you could probably get every event that ever happened into a couple of paragraphs and be finished before dinner.

 

[rupol2000]

The word "family" itself is thoroughly leftist, it is about matriarchy and matrilineality, there is the root "femine"

 

[kyzr]

Actually, that is where the right's extremes begin. I don't want to say that going to church or having a 'traditional' family is a bad thing. On the contrary, for some people that works great. But if these people are trying to force their values on others, then that definitely is not good.

Its actually the opposite.
The left is promoting the gay and trans lifestyles in public schools which we object to.
I'm not aware of any churches forcing values on gay bars.

 

[kyzr]

The word "family" itself is thoroughly leftist, it is about matriarchy and matrilineality, there is the root "femine"

Bullshit. "Family" is not left or right, it is apolitical.

 

[rupol2000]

I can imagine you writing a History book, you could probably get every event that ever happened into a couple of paragraphs and be finished before dinner.

Tell us when the Prussian rule and ideology disappeared
It just faded into the background.

 

[kyzr]

I see no sense in choosing between the two leftists, must look for another way

What two leftists?
You have a very warped perspective, you see leftists everywhere you look.
Republicans are not leftists, period.

 

[rupol2000]

Bullshit. "Family" is not left or right, it is apolitical

This is the etymology that tells the story.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Tell us when the Prussian rule and ideology disappeared
It just faded into the background.

Well, I've lived in Germany and I didn't see any Prussian ruled ideology there. There might be some, but not much.

Post WW2 Germany had a real big look at itself, hence why it's less racist than East Germany or Austria. So, to answer your question, I'd say firstly from 1933 with Hitler (not being Prussian) and then 1945 with the new era of West Germany.

 

[rupol2000]

it is apolitical.

This is a gross mistake. The leftists themselves wrote that the traditional family is their main enemy.
The family is the foundation of the state.
The right-wing state is a projection of the patriarchal family

 

[kyzr]

This is the etymology that tells the story.

Etymology of "family" by etymonline

"servants of a household," from Latin familia "family servants, domestics collectively,… See origin and meaning of family.

www.etymonline.com

"early 15c., "servants of a household," from Latin familia "family servants, domestics collectively, the servants in a household," thus also "members of a household, the estate, property; the household, including relatives and servants," abstract noun formed from famulus "servant, slave," which is of unknown origin."

Nuclear family - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[rupol2000]

Well, I've lived in Germany and I didn't see any Prussian ruled ideology there. There might be some, but not much.

There is no forest behind the trees. Welfare state, German collectivism, diligence, punctuality, official patriotism, Saufgelage. It's all from there.

 

[rupol2000]

from Latin familia

This is evident from the new Latin, when the government was plebeian.

 

[kyzr]

This is a gross mistake. The leftists themselves wrote that the traditional family is their main enemy.
The family is the foundation of the state.
The right-wing state is a projection of the patriarchal family

OK, I thought we were discussing the word "family", and I disagreed that it was "leftist".

I totally agree with you that the leftists hate traditional families.
They prefer that the "state" or "collective" owns or controls everyone and everything.
Families and family values are indeed the strong foundation of the US, always opposing the socialists and communists.
I'm not sure what you mean when you say "the right-wing state is a projection of family"????
Maybe a projection of "family or traditional values"?

 

[rupol2000]

from Latin

Most likely the family was called "patricia", the head was named Pater.

 

[rupol2000]

OK, I thought we were discussing the word "family", and I disagreed that it was "leftist".

I totally agree with you that the leftists hate traditional families.
They prefer that the "state" or "collective" owns or controls everyone and everything.
Families and family values are indeed the strong foundation of the US, always opposing the socialists and communists.
I'm not sure what you mean when you say "the right-wing state is a projection of family"????
Maybe a projection of "family or traditional values"?

No, this is precisely the prototype of power. From the family comes the clan, from the clan tribe, and all this has the same structure, it is revealed as a fractal. Each level has its own leader. This is the primordial right-wing state.

 

[rupol2000]

Families and family values are indeed the strong foundation of the US, always opposing the socialists and communists.

This in itself is not bad, but ideally it should be not just a Christian or liberal family, but a patriarchal family, where functions are strictly delineated. In the hands of a man should be power and responsibility, the functions of a warrior and protector, and a woman should help him and do the housework.
Harmony like a dance where man is leader

 

[rupol2000]

A woman is not only voluntarily subordinate, but also infantile. A truly masculine attitude towards a woman like a child, with love and indulgence. But if a woman wants power and independence, then this is already a left family and not a right union.

Union is natural when both need each other, then they grow together, otherwise it is fiction.
They should complement each other.

 

[kyzr]

No, this is precisely the prototype of power. From the family comes the clan, from the clan tribe, and all this has the same structure, it is revealed as a fractal. Each level has its own leader. This is the primordial right-wing state.

You seem to want to discuss abstract concepts, such as the "primordial right-wing state", I'm trying to discuss what the thread title asserts, that to save America, we need the "right" idea.

Democrat mayors are seeing that leftist ideas are failing, the streets are becoming lawless kill-zones. Businesses are being "flash-mobbed" out of existence. The Police are unable to protect the citizens from criminals.

So I agree that the title and this thread are correct, that leftist policies fail, and right-wing policies succeed.