pknopp
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This is true, many have. The founders were dealing with decades of unfair laws where they had no representation, despite basically having their own governments since sea travel to so goddamn long. The king didn’t give a shit either because he figured they’re on the other side of the ocean, can’t get here, nobody on main land gives a shit about their issues, fuck them. Obviously that didn’t work out for him. We’re talking about a country now that uses discrimination to give positive rights to minority groups in affirmative action. A country that is the first ever in the world to democratically elect a minority president. A lone beacon in the world where the government is not allowed to make speech laws. It’s a country that no other can hold a candle to the amount of good it has brought its own people, as well as the rest of the world. People spend half their lives saving up money just to get here to give their kids a better opportunity. America has always had its problems. There is nothing new under the sun. Despite those problems it is still the greatest nation the world has ever seen. In terms of wealth created, infinite opportunities, leading the way human rights (although it may take a bit to get that to apply to everyone), innovation massively beneficial to humanity. That’s not something to tear down. That’s something to build upon. You can try to tear it down like Venezuela, and sustain yourself on the corpse of what your fathers built for a short period of time, until you pick the bones dry. Then you run into a situation where you can’t even turn a profit off the vast amounts high quality oil because you don’t know what you’re doing. You can’t get toilet paper or food to the shelves at the grocery store because you don’t know what you’re doing. And now your country is beholden to Russia and China who come in and say “we’ll help you with your problems, but these resources are ours.”You just described terrorism.It’s infinitely easier to burn and tear things down than it is to build create and maintain. Our systems work pretty damn well. We don’t have shortages of food despite 100 different moving parts to get the food from the farm to the grocery store. Our power works pretty well despite the 100 different moving parts it takes to get power to your house, and the millions of dollars that went into building the infrastructure to get it there. Do you even understand the process of paving roads? You need stone from a quarry. A quarry that uses very dangerous explosives to extract stone from mountains. Then that quarry needs a device specifically made to screen for the right size stone. Then the quarry needs multiple tanker trucks to ship in 1,000s of gallons of specifically refined oil made for asphalt a week from a refinery god knows where. Then the quarry has to have special machinery in order to mix and heat the perfect amount of oil, sand, and stone. Then the quarry needs another piece of machinery to load the asphalt into dump trucks. Those trucks need to keep the asphalt hot until they get to where they need to pave. Where they need to pave needs to have a certain amount of land dug out depending on how soft the land is. Then they need to replace that land with the appropriate type of stone, depending on how soft the land is, they will use different types of stone in different areas. Stone that they also get from the quarry using special machinery, carried by dump trucks. Then that stone has to be graded perfectly by a bulldozer, and then compacted in by a steam roller. Now you need a very expensive paver, to lay the asphalt. Then the asphalt has to get rolled carefully and perfectly so that cars aren’t going airborne because a roller stopped too fast or too slow. Oh yeah, and the paver has to be set at a perfect level so that water doesn’t pool up in the road. They have one shot to get it right, if they don’t, the road has to be torn up and redone. That’s a relatively simple system that in reality is still extremely complicated that people like you take for granted every day. It took decades for people much smarter than you, and highly specialized in their own fields of explosives, machinery, engineering, chemistry, etc. to figure out and perfect this process so that it runs fairly seamlessly. Imagine an infinitely more complicated system like a healthcare network.Odd how you're "not here to defend the Democrats", but all I hear is Democrat propaganda.Don't forget illegals and welfare queens.It means charitable on your own, with your own money, because you want to.Oh I have my own problems with the Christian church and they did bring their demise on themselves. I would like to hear how you think they aren’t following the teachings of Jesus. It probably isn’t going to be what I say. Let me guess, they’re hateful fundamentalist that want to subject the rest of the world to their teachings. They don’t follow the teaching of Jesus that I only pay attention too (Jesus as an all inclusive kumbayah Jesus). Newsflash, Jesus preached much more about Hell and how hard it is to actually walk the “straight and narrow” than he ever preached about heaven.Wow, the American Christian church is now the American taliban. This is the exact vilification I’m talking about. The numbers you listed you clearly just pulled out of your ass.Yes it does. When one party has been vilifying your religion for decades, and has exponentially turned the vilification up to 11...you kind of have to go with the other guy who says that’s wrong to do dipshit. Again why is this such a mystery to you? America wasn’t a communist country. They didn’t really like communism. But we gave the Soviets a fuck ton of weapons and vehicles in WW2. Only 2 of the original 13 colonies insisted on keeping slavery if they were going to participate in bucking British rule. The other 11 had to concede to that or else there’d be no America today.Vs the party that actually calls them names...and wants to kill babies AFTER they’re born. The party that actually vilifies them, and labels their beliefs as “hate speech”. How is them voting for trump a fucking mystery to you? It’s honestly laughable. Your party just tried to block people going to church, vilified them and their kids trying to walk in, and then punched the pastor in the face multiple times.Do you often find yourself trying to blame others for voting for someone that routinely takes the Lord's name in vain? That calls people names routinely?
Because you do not like the other main candidate you have to vote for the guy who brags about just walking up and sexually assaulting women?
That being said. To answer your question, even though the OP should’ve sufficed, there was only one dude in the Bible who was blameless. Obviously that was Jesus. The other hero’s in the Bible, even the best of the best, did waaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy more fucked up shit than trump has ever done. We’re talking having friends killed so they could hide the affairs they had with their wives. Screwing their brothers out of inheritance. Throwing brothers in a pit and leaving them to die. Traveling from city to city to murder Christians. Plenty of hero’s weren’t even part of Israel or the early church. The Bible is not a kumbayah book. It’s a book that clearly says you are garbage, the human condition is garbage, there WILL be suffering from tragic occurrences, there WILL be suffering from malevolent people, you HAVE to be better because you answer to a higher power that laid out these rules that give all of that suffering meaning.
That still doesn't address my point. Just because you do not like one guy does not mean you have to vote for some other guy. Especially one that laughs about sexually assaulting women.
So why the fuck does it make sense to YOU to tell Christians to “just roll over and let the party that REALLY hates you win by voting for 3rd party”? The left has been calling them hypocrites for decades now. They said the never coffee drinking and wearer of magical underwear boy scout that was Romney was a racist Nazi who wanted to put blacks back in chains and let grandma die. Do you really think they care that your calling them hypocrites now when they already know they’re voting for a guy who publicly bragged about cheating on his wife before he even ran for president? Surprise!!!! They don’t. You can take your self serving advice and shove it. Why don’t you tell the person at work who has the job you want to either get fired or quit, you’ll probably have more luck doing that. That’d be more realistic.
Here are the bald facts. 70% of Democrats are Christians. Your religion has NEVER been vilified by the left. That Democrats and the left will NEVER allow you to do is to impose your narrow and perverted view of Christianity, on the rest of the country. You can hate gays all you want, but you will suck it up and treat them with the same respect you want from others, or you can't have a public business. It's that simple.
If YOU don't want an abortion, don't have an abortion. But the reality is that 13% of all abortions - more than 100,000 abortions every year, are performed on women who list their religion as Evangelical Christians. Your women have just as many abortions as they rest the women in America. But you want to ban abortipon.
When your stated goal is to establish a Christian Theocracy, your in opposition to everything the Constitution stands for. You want to inflict YOUR religion on the rest of the nation, using the legal system. The rest of America don't want your religion codified into laws, and so the left are going to squash these attempts to undermine the freedom of religion for the 80% of Americans who think you people are the American Taliban.
In U.S., Decline of Christianity Continues at Rapid Pace
The religious landscape of the United States continues to change at a rapid clip, with both Protestantism and Catholicism experiencing losses of population share.www.pewforum.org
Christianity can't continue to act in opposition to the teachings of Christ and expect to do anything other than faulter.
Leo TolstoyAll happy families are alike; each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way.
The whole thought that Christians are just hateful hypocrites is the exact vilification from the left I’m talking about. It’s straight up religious prejudice. Granted there are those “Christians” out there. But they are the vast minority. Christians are their biggest critics. But the left are the ones who parade the likes of the Westboro Baptist church, and try to characterize them as the entire christian church. It’s not even close. Yet when someone correctly points out that, hey there’s a lot of fundamental 12ers over there in the Middle East, the left decries that as islamaphobia. It’s also the left who will declare all religions as equal, yet treat Christians like dirt. Christians led the abolitionist movement worldwide. Christians give the most charity worldwide and it’s not even close. The Christian philosophy is 100% behind the enlightenment movement that gives you the rights you enjoy today, including the belief that you cannot mandate belief in God. The American Christian church is certainly responsible for their own downfall. Not at all entirely because of the lefts hyperbolic and even false criticism of them, though there are some valid points made. But to characterize the entire church like the left has been doing for decades, and is doing now is 100% prejudice and wrong, just as wrong as it is to characterize every Muslim as a terrorist. Nietzsche, one of the biggest critics of the church, correctly predicted the immense bloodshed to come in the 21st century in his parable of the old fool. The left loves this parable for the wrong reasons, they only listen to “God is Dead” part and clap without reading the rest.
"How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it? There has never been a greater deed; and whoever is born after us -- for the sake of this deed he will belong to a higher history than all history hitherto."
They aren't following his INTERPRETATIONS of the teachings of Jesus.
"The King will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.'
What is your interpretation?
It does NOT mean you can feel all smug and generous when you insist the government take money from one group of people and give it to another, with no cost to you.
Odd that we can do that for the banks, and GM and corporate farms and Trump businesses.
Oh, but that's different, isn't it?
Me, I think "too big to fail" is bullshit. Democrats for damn sure disagree with me.
I'm not here to defend the Democrats. I speak concerning what I believe and I support. I'm not sure why you feel the need to interject the beliefs of some irrelevant group.
Do I support public assistance programs? Yes. You say you disagree with corporate bail outs or corporate welfare but continue to vote for it.
Democrats are full of crap. Obama had the chance to make changes and did nothing. He had the chance to bring charges against those who murdered Eric Garner and failed.
Biden isn't going to do anything. The only thing that works is to burn things down.
It’s only the narcissistic and rash that believe they can burn down the immensely complex systems intertwined with dozens of other immensely complex systems and rebuild a paradise.
It doesn't take much burning to get people's attention. If someone dies far too many do not care. If they think something they own will get destroyed then they get worried.
Terrorism, the calculated use of violence to create a general climate of fear in a population and thereby to bring about a particular political objective.
What country before ever existed a century and a half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon, and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson.
A lot of our liberties have been removed under the guise of "terrorism".
People listened to MLK. Not MalcolmX. That was the whole allegory in black panther. Even Malcolm X came around, then his own people killed him for it. Do you want the French Revolution? Where like Malcolm X, the leaders of recollection wound up get slaughtered by their own people because they’re not woke enough? It’s what happens every time Throughout history. The night of long knives, French Revolution, Soviet revolution, Joan of Arch etc. That story doesn’t end well. The only times it did were the Swiss Revolution, American revolution, Ghandi, and MLK. These were all extremely principled, well thought out movements. And it’s why they didn’t descend in either utter chaos or terrible tyranny.
We saw within weeks what CHOP became. They became worse than what they hated. They established boarders immediately, had a paramilitary force become police, the guy with the most guns took over, beat up people for graffitiing locations they took mafia style protection payments from, and 7 people died. 3 of them were blacks that got shot.
You can argue that all day. The police are going to be stopped in violating people's civil rights.