If Harris somehow wins, will this mean the end of Primary voting for the Democratic Party?

[Dragonlady]

Very few candidates (in fact, has it ever happened?) go from absolutely dead last to being appointed the nominee by fiat with no voters voting in one election cycle.

"Moderate". It is to chuckle politely. Here's a hint, moderates don't propose price controls as their first economic policy.

Jimmy Carter, Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, Barrack Obama, John Kennedy.

She didn't promise "price controls", she promised an end to price gouging. Different things entirely. Price controls says the price of bread can't exceed $X.

Net profit after inventory costs for grocery stores has gone up 40% since 2020. The grocery stores were highly profitable before they raised their profit margins 40%, so if they go back to the prior pricing structure, they'll still be making the same money they were before the pandemic, they simply won't be making record profits.

This isn't rocket science. This is economics 101. The first thing I learned as a banker was to look at whether proit margins for a company were consistent to industry standards. When someone is showing record profits without a drastic change in products, you have to look at how they achieves it, and if their numbers are consistent with industry standards.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/us-regulators-urge-congress-look-into-grocery-profits-2024-03-21/

Harris is the second-most liberal Democratic senator to serve in the Senate in the 21st century.

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4816859-kamala-harris-is-extremely-liberal-and-the-numbers-prove-it/

We gee, that's really not saying much given that the US Senate is 50 paces to the right of Attilla the Hun, and Mitch McConnell would NEVER let a liberal bill come to the floor.

That still makes here a moderate liberal in every successful nation in the First World.

 

[Lesh]

I don’t see any Democrats complaining that Biden pulled out of the race

Just Republicans because it messed up their plans

Isn’t funny how concerned REPUBLICANS are about the Dem primary.

They’ve been whining about them for almost a decade.

Calm down little Trumpers. It’s all good

 

[hadit]

Care to address how the GOP support democracy when multiple GOP state organizations cancelled primaries in 2020 so they could anoint Trump?

I was in one of those states and I was pissed that I didn't get to have my voice heard with a vote during GOP primary season.

WW

Not really talking about the GOP. Start a thread on it and I might comment if I'm interested.

 

[hadit]

Jimmy Carter, Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, Barrack Obama, John Kennedy.

Which of those went from dead last, so far back that they dropped out almost immediately, to begin appointed by fiat without a single voter voting for them? You do understand the question, right?

She didn't promise "price controls", she promised an end to price gouging. Different things entirely. Price controls says the price of bread can't exceed $X.

To stop "gouging", you have to set an upper limit on prices. That is the definition of price controls.

Net profit after inventory costs for grocery stores has gone up 40% since 2020. The grocery stores were highly profitable before they raised their profit margins 40%, so if they go back to the prior pricing structure, they'll still be making the same money they were before the pandemic, they simply won't be making record profits.

Naturally, you are using absolute dollar figures without even considering the dollar's drop in value due to the administration's wild inflation.

This isn't rocket science. This is economics 101. The first thing I learned as a banker was to look at whether proit margins for a company were consistent to industry standards. When someone is showing record profits without a drastic change in products, you have to look at how they achieves it, and if their numbers are consistent with industry standards.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/us-regulators-urge-congress-look-into-grocery-profits-2024-03-21/

Again, inflation lowers the value of the dollar. I'd rather be making less with more valuable dollars than I am now if I can't buy now what I used to with less money.

We gee, that's really not saying much given that the US Senate is 50 paces to the right of Attilla the Hun,

Only to the extreme left wing.

and Mitch McConnell would NEVER let a liberal bill come to the floor.

That still makes here a moderate liberal in every successful nation in the First World.

Their standards don't count, ours do, and she's a leftist.

 

[rightwinger]

Isn’t funny how concerned REPUBLICANS are about the Dem primary.

They’ve been whining about them for almost a decade.

Calm down little Trumpers. It’s all good

Dems seemed pretty happy last night

 

[rightwinger]

FYI, I haven't had one vaccine. I'm still standing.

Now tell us how you have smoked 3 packs a day for 40 years and you feel just fine

 

[rightwinger]

Very few candidates (in fact, has it ever happened?) go from absolutely dead last to being appointed the nominee by fiat with no voters voting in one election cycle.

Harris went from testing the waters for a Presidential nomination to Vice President to the Democratic nomination

You left that part out

 

[Dragonlady]

Isn’t funny how concerned REPUBLICANS are about the Dem primary.

They’ve been whining about them for almost a decade.

Calm down little Trumpers. It’s all good

I haven't seen any suggestions that Harris is "low IQ" since shortly after the Convention started. I fully expect Trump to come down with some catastrophic but cureable illness right before the election, forcing him to pull out when it becomes fully apparent that he's going to lose.

And then I expect him to flee the country to escape further prosecution.

On a completely vain note, I want the name of Elizabeth Warren's cosmetic surgeon. The woman is 75 years old and doesn't look a day over 50, and she doesn't look llike she's had anything done.

 

[Hollie]

I guess Sleepy Joe and the D's can do as they please.

But having Joe run , just to withdraw for no logical reason being stated after winning all of the primary votes is just telling lib voters to go **** themselves. Your choice doesn't matter.

Pelosi and Schumer will be the Ayatolla'ess and Ayatollah of the dem / Socialist party. They will decide who runs as a candidate and who is apportioned primary votes.

 

[MagicMike]

I guess Sleepy Joe and the D's can do as they please.

But having Joe run , just to withdraw for no logical reason being stated after winning all of the primary votes is just telling lib voters to go **** themselves. Your choice doesn't matter.

The OP is fake news. Candidates are allowed to retire from politics whenever they choose to. That's exactly what Biden has done.
When primary voters voted for Biden's nomination they knew they were not voting only for Biden, they were voting for Biden's pick (Harris) to be next in line for the office as well.
You MAGAt cultroaches REALLY need to get over your whining about this and prepare yourselves for Trump's loss in November.
It is liable to be very hard on you and you're probably going to need all that tissue you are wasting now on coming to grips with her candidacy to get you through the first few months after November 5th.
Remember.....pace yourself.

 

[Hollie]

Harris went from testing the waters for a Presidential nomination to Vice President to the Democratic nomination

You left that part out

And is now the anointed Princess Kamala. Don't leave that part out.

 

[Hollie]

The OP is fake news. Candidates are allowed to retire from politics whenever they choose to. That's exactly what Biden has done.
When primary voters voted for Biden's nomination they knew they were not voting only for Biden, they were voting for Biden's pick (Harris) to be next in line for the office as well.
You MAGAt cultroaches REALLY need to get over your whining about this and prepare yourselves for Trump's loss in November.
It is liable to be very hard on you and you're probably going to need all that tissue you are wasting now on coming to grips with her candidacy to get you through the first few months after November 5th.
Remember.....pace yourself.

Harris as "president" may be just what this country needs to jump into a deep depression with her crackpot, Stalinist ideas of price controls and interest rates back in the double digits.

 

[rightwinger]

Care to address how the GOP support democracy when multiple GOP state organizations cancelled primaries in 2020 so they could anoint Trump?

I was in one of those states and I was pissed that I didn't get to have my voice heard with a vote during GOP primary season.

WW

In many states, Haley was still drawing a significant percentage of the vote even though she had dropped out

To save Trump the embarassment, some states just cancelled primaries

 

[rightwinger]

And is now the anointed Princess Kamala. Don't leave that part out.

Lets just call her President Harris

 

[JimH52]

trump is one ugly contestant.

In 2016 Repubs anointed His Orangeness because they were entertained by seeing him belittle his opponents with claims of having a bigger dick. This despite being a failure in his prior businesses, defrauding students at his school, being unfaithful to his wives, being the most unqualified national party candidate in US history, and having no domestic or foreign policy experience.

Since then they've learned he lies pathologically, fucked a porn star months after the birth of his child with his wife, illegally tried to extort the leader of a foreign country for campaign help, plotted to steal the 2020 election, is a convicted criminal, is financially liable for what is rape in states other than NY, stole money from a charity, is liable for tax fraud, stole classified documents, weaponized his DoJ, hired incompetent staff, had dozens of members of his admin reveal his reckless idiocy, fired 4 IG's who were investigating his admin, gave classified info to Russians, has no understanding of how tariffs work, has no understanding of how the global oil market works, has no understanding of the causes of inflation, attacked members of the judicial system because he was indicted 4 times by grand juries, is a boorish, foul mouthed clown, surrounds himself with criminals, displayed the incredibly bad judgement to use Rudy as his personal attorney, enjoys the company of despots, insults veterans, is supported by white nationalists, constantly flip flops on positions for political expediency, has promised to use the DoJ as a vehicle for revenge against perceived enemies, tried to corrupt the census, did not slow down illegal immigration as prez, fails to deliver on promises, uses PAC money to pay personal legal expenses, grotesquely abused the pardon power, had a revolving door of corrupt and incompetent cabinet members, gave security clearances to those who didn't deserve them, used unsecure phones, etc., etc., etc., and they still are blindly devoted to him as if he were a cult leader.

Put simply...trump is a slug.

 

[JimH52]

You're right, she's worse.

YOU are stuck with the old white guy....enjoy!

 

[Skylar]

In 2016 they anointed Hillary because Bernie didn't have the donor power that the Establishment Hillary had. He was deemed "dangerous". Of course we all know the outcome and he is now largely irrelevant after he endorsed Hillary.

After her loss, the MSM and Democrat operatives kept repeating "we can't repeat this facade again, we need a competent candidate who is challenged in a Primary and wins in a democratic process. After all, we are the Democratic Party damn it!"

Now we observe history repeating itself as Harris is anointed. Not once, but twice if one is objective. First as V.P with 2% of the delegate vote in the 2020 Primary and now 0% votes in the 2024 Primary.

Clearly Dem voters are not happy. Some don't care about democracy they will obediently put on their pom poms and accept their Rulers decisions on their behalf, similar to what a pleb in China or N Korea does today. Others have become a little bit too uppity on youtube (one Asian guy in particular) and they have declared that they will punish the Dems for their tactics and name calling of Trump as Hitler etc and thus vote for Trump to spite the Dems.

Therefore, if Harris wins in 2024, will this affirm the Democrat Parties position that they know what is best for their subjects and going forward they will refer to their Chamber of donors, mainstream media, Party Seniors (Obama, Pelosi etc) and Super Delegates to produce the greatest politician possible.

Is this a fair assessment? If not, what leads you to believe that after the last two cycles of them anointed a leader that somehow they will change going forward?

Nope.

 

[Dragonlady]

Pelosi and Schumer will be the Ayatolla'ess and Ayatollah of the dem / Socialist party. They will decide who runs as a candidate and who is apportioned primary votes.

Again with the lies about socialism. You're a one trick pony, Hollie. All you have going for you is lies about Kamala Harris and the Democrats, and not very good lies at that.

You can't even define "socialism". All you do is spew lies and hate at Democrats. No solutions to anything other than putting your criminal rapist in charge of the US Treasury.

And is now the anointed Princess Kamala. Don't leave that part out.

No, she was elected by the Democratic Party to be their candidate. No one ran against her, and as you can see from the convention, the Party is very, very happy with their candidate.

You seem angry and bitter, that after 8 years of Trump lying about Joe Biden and his family, the American people were poisoned against him, and were reluctant to vote for him again.
The American people are fed up with your anger and your bitterness and your lies. You seem to think that most Americans are as gullible and stupid as you are and that they believe Trump.

Trump killed over a million Americans and crashed your economy with his failed covid response. He was a disaster for foreign trade, manufacturing, and disaster relief.

 

[IM2]

In 2016 they anointed Hillary because Bernie didn't have the donor power that the Establishment Hillary had. He was deemed "dangerous". Of course we all know the outcome and he is now largely irrelevant after he endorsed Hillary.

After her loss, the MSM and Democrat operatives kept repeating "we can't repeat this facade again, we need a competent candidate who is challenged in a Primary and wins in a democratic process. After all, we are the Democratic Party damn it!"

Now we observe history repeating itself as Harris is anointed. Not once, but twice if one is objective. First as V.P with 2% of the delegate vote in the 2020 Primary and now 0% votes in the 2024 Primary.

Clearly Dem voters are not happy. Some don't care about democracy they will obediently put on their pom poms and accept their Rulers decisions on their behalf, similar to what a pleb in China or N Korea does today. Others have become a little bit too uppity on youtube (one Asian guy in particular) and they have declared that they will punish the Dems for their tactics and name calling of Trump as Hitler etc and thus vote for Trump to spite the Dems.

Therefore, if Harris wins in 2024, will this affirm the Democrat Parties position that they know what is best for their subjects and going forward they will refer to their Chamber of donors, mainstream media, Party Seniors (Obama, Pelosi etc) and Super Delegates to produce the greatest politician possible.

Is this a fair assessment? If not, what leads you to believe that after the last two cycles of them anointed a leader that somehow they will change going forward?

Hillary beat Sanders. And Sanders was allowed in the Democratic primaries when he was not a Democrat.

You really need to quit repeating the whiny bulshit that comes from Trump. You are not an American citizen, yet you push for fascism here. You won't have to live with this fascism. You will continue living in a democracy while teling us how we need to support autocracy. This is not 2020 and the people voted for Biden and Harris. That was the ticket people voted for in the primary. So when Biden left, his votes went to who was left on the ticket. So stop repeating the bushit you hear from the right.

The convention just ended last night. Any opposition to Harris had the chance to do so at the convention. Actually when Biden stopped, all potential opposition decided to endorse Harris. All the potential primary challengers endorsed Harris. So there was no need for a primary. Just like Trump had such a lead in the polls that he decided that before the first primary ballot was cast, that he would not participate in the debates that were held before the first primary, and did not participatein ANY of the primary debates. So again, stop repeating the bullshit trump says.

Last, in 2016, Hillary Clinton got 65 milion votes. Trump got 62 million votes. In your country, Clinton would have been elected. Your country doesn't have electoral votes. So then when you talk about 2016, understand that and then change your argument.

 

[80zephyr]

Hillary beat Sanders. And Sanders was allowed in the Democratic primaries when he was not a Democrat.

You really need to quit repeating the whiny bulshit that comes from Trump. You are not an American citizen, yet you push for fascism here. You won't have to live with this fascism. You will continue living in a democracy while teling us how we need to support autocracy. This is not 2020 and the people voted for Biden and Harris. That was the ticket people voted for in the primary. So when Biden left, his votes went to who was left on the ticket. So stop repeating the bushit you hear from the right.

The convention just ended last night. Any opposition to Harris had the chance to do so at the convention. Actually when Biden stopped, all potential opposition decided to endorse Harris. All the potential primary challengers endorsed Harris. So there was no need for a primary. Just like Trump had such a lead in the polls that he decided that before the first primary ballot was cast, that he would not participate in the debates that were held before the first primary, and did not participatein ANY of the primary debates. So again, stop repeating the bullshit trump says.

Last, in 2016, Hillary Clinton got 65 milion votes. Trump got 62 million votes. In your country, Clinton would have been elected. Your country doesn't have electoral votes. So then when you talk about 2016, understand that and then change your argument.

California Gov. Gavin Newsom joked about the process that landed Vice President Kamala Harris the Democratic presidential nomination, saying in an interview posted Friday that he was “told to say” it was an open, inclusive process.

Yeah, he sounds happy. Lol.