Time to rename our Confederate Forts

[Sun Devil 92]

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Trump opposes efforts to remove Confederate commanders' names from military bases

President Donald Trump said Wednesday he opposes any effort by the US military to rename the nearly one dozen major bases and installations that bear the names of Confederate military commanders.

www.cnn.com

Washington monument comes down first.

 

[theHawk]

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Trump opposes efforts to remove Confederate commanders' names from military bases

President Donald Trump said Wednesday he opposes any effort by the US military to rename the nearly one dozen major bases and installations that bear the names of Confederate military commanders.

www.cnn.com

And members of the military will tell you to go pound sand.

Let’s hear from them

Ft Polk or Ft Patton?

Fort Polk. Thanks for asking.

Now, when is the Democrat Party going to change its name, since it was the Confederate party and fought for slavery?

What was so great about Gen Polk that he deserves a major Army Fort over Gen Patton?

As if the left wouldn’t object to Patten. You idiots are already demanding statues of George Washington be torn down. Then we’d have to rename lots of streets, cities, and even a state.

When are you going to rename the Democrat Party? The actual party of the Confederacy and slavery?

 

[rightwinger]

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Trump opposes efforts to remove Confederate commanders' names from military bases

President Donald Trump said Wednesday he opposes any effort by the US military to rename the nearly one dozen major bases and installations that bear the names of Confederate military commanders.

www.cnn.com

All the ones you named except Fort Bragg were built during WWII. Per WaPo:

Who are the bases named after?
The bases, all in former Confederate states, were named with input from locals in the Jim Crow era. The Army courted their buy-in because it needed large swaths of land to build sprawling bases in the early 20th century up through World War II.

Three of the biggest bases in the United States are named after Confederate leaders, including some who were famously inept.

Fort Bragg in North Carolina, the headquarters of the Special Forces, bears the name of Gen. Braxton Bragg, a commander often assailed as one of the most bumbling commanders in the war. Bragg was relieved of command after losing the battle for Chattanooga in 1863, then served as a military adviser to Confederate President Jefferson Davis.

Fort Benning in Georgia, the home of Army infantry and airborne training, is named after Brig. Gen. Henry Benning, who led troops at Antietam and Gettysburg. In remarks in 1861 laying out slavery as the reason for secession, Benning warned that abolition would lead to “black governors, black legislatures, black juries, black everything. Is it to be supposed that the white race will stand for that?”

Fort Hood in Texas is named after John Bell Hood, who resigned his commission in the U.S. Army to fight against it. His “reckless” command hastened the fall of Atlanta, one historian wrote, and his losses at the Battle of Franklin were so disastrous that they have been called the “Pickett’s Charge of the West,” in reference to a bloody and failed assault named for Maj. Gen. George Pickett, one of Gen. Robert E. Lee’s top commanders at Gettysburg.
Unlike Bragg and Benning, Hood has no prewar roots in the state that has a post named after him. He commanded Texas troops but was born in Kentucky and buried in Louisiana.

The other bases named after Confederate commanders are Forts Lee, Pickett and A.P. Hill in Virginia, Forts Polk and Beauregard in Louisiana, Fort Gordon in Georgia and Fort Rucker in Alabama.

Why have efforts stalled in the past?
The Army, steeped in its history and traditions, has fought efforts to rename the installations and even the names of roads on its posts, saying in 2017 that such moves would be “controversial and divisive.”
As recently as February, McCarthy said there were no plans to rename the posts. The power to name posts falls to the assistant secretary of the army for manpower and reserve affairs.
McCarthy believes he can unilaterally change the names but would need input from the White House, lawmakers and state and local officials, CNN reported.

Who could bases be named after if they were changed?
The biggest formal push to rename an installation is to reflag Fort Hood after Roy Benavidez, a Green Beret who received the Medal of Honor for action in Cambodia during the Vietnam War.

Benavidez endured “six hours in hell,” he would later say of a 1968 battle in which he held his intestines in his hand, stabbed an enemy soldier to death and loaded the wounded and dead onto two helicopters.
He later said he had so many injuries and was so bloodied he was mistaken for a dead man and stuffed in a body bag until he spat in a doctor’s face. He earned five Purple Hearts in combat.
Benavidez died in 1998, and his name is on a stretch of highway, a Navy cargo ship, a short graphic novel, a commemorative G.I. Joe figure and, in a nod to his passion for education, several Texas schools. The League of United Latin American Citizens, an advocacy group, urged the Army last year to rename Fort Hood for him.

In recent days, veterans and others have lobbied for other historical figures, opening the door for women and minorities. One is Mary Edwards Walker, a surgeon and prisoner during the Civil War and the only woman who has received the Medal of Honor.

Calls on Twitter also intensified to rename Fort Benning after Sgt. 1st Class Alwyn Cashe, a black soldier and Georgia native whose actions in Iraq quickly became legend.
In 2005, his vehicle was destroyed by an improvised explosive device and consumed in flames. Cashe entered the Bradley three times to rescue six soldiers while he himself was on fire. He died of his injuries weeks later.
Cashe received the Silver Star for his heroism, although many say he deserved the Medal of Honor. Renaming Fort Benning after him, advocates have said, would correct at least one injustice.

So many American soldiers more worthy of honor

Alvin York
Audie Murphy
Daniel Inouye

 

[lennypartiv]

And the left is picking at old scabs, reliving the War of Northern Aggression.

 

[Crepitus]

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Trump opposes efforts to remove Confederate commanders' names from military bases

President Donald Trump said Wednesday he opposes any effort by the US military to rename the nearly one dozen major bases and installations that bear the names of Confederate military commanders.

www.cnn.com

We need to ask why US bases are named after traitors, that what we need to ask.

 

[Camp]

Long overdue! Even many Republicans and top military leaders support this very sensible change. The bipartisan Senate Armed Services Committee, headed by Republicans, proposed these changes.

Republican Senator Roy Blunt, who represents Missouri, which was in the Confederacy, said he had no problem changing the bases’ names. “If you want to continue to name forts after soldiers, there have been a lot of great soldiers who have come along since the Civil War,” Blunt told reporters.

He noted that Braxton Bragg, who is honored at the sprawling base in North Carolina, was “probably the worst commanding general in the entire Confederate Army. He’s an interesting guy to name a fort after.”

Ya, but tea bagger slurping trumpoholics are insisting renaming our military installations are a liberal conspiracy.

 

[rightwinger]

And the left is picking at old scabs, reliving the War of Northern Aggression.

Those Confederate Generals are old scabs

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

CremeBrulee writes:
“That's the problem with this shit. Any name you might come up with will have some sort of stigma attached to it by someone. I guess you could start naming things after inanimate objects...”

I don’t think we will ever run out of genuine patriots and heroes who fought for worthy American (and universal) values. You are right, though, that we needn’t name forts after Generals only. Sure there may always be differences concerning this or that name, but at least let us not choose the names of men who fought against the United States in a war that defended slavery.

 

[rightwinger]

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Trump opposes efforts to remove Confederate commanders' names from military bases

President Donald Trump said Wednesday he opposes any effort by the US military to rename the nearly one dozen major bases and installations that bear the names of Confederate military commanders.

www.cnn.com

We need to ask why US bases are named after traitors, that what we need to ask.

When you look at why those bases were named the way they were. We built bases in the south because land was cheap and available. Names were chosen to honor local confederate legends and we are now stuck with them

 

[theHawk]

Jefferson Davis, US Senator, and President of the Confederate States of America.

Party: Democratic

When is the Democratic Party being renamed?

Well, rightwinger , we are waiting for an explanation.

 

[my2¢]

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I once read that the U.S. state closest to Africa is Maine. I often get these Cliff Clavin moments.

 

[rightwinger]

Jefferson Davis, US Senator, and President of the Confederate States of America.

Party: Democratic

When is the Democratic Party being renamed?

Well, rightwinger , we are waiting for an explanation.

We don’t have any forts named after Jefferson Davis

 

[AsherN]

If you want to avoid controversy, do what most countries do. Name the bases after the town they're in or near.

 

[rightwinger]

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I once read that the U.S. state closest to Africa is Maine. I often get these Cliff Clavin moments.

The smartest animal is the pig. Scientists say that if they had a thumb and basic language they could be trained to do manual labor. Then, when they retire after 20 years service, you can eat them.
Cliff Claven

 

[theHawk]

Jefferson Davis, US Senator, and President of the Confederate States of America.

Party: Democratic

When is the Democratic Party being renamed?

Well, rightwinger , we are waiting for an explanation.

We don’t have any forts named after Jefferson Davis

Did I say we did? We just have a major national party that all those Confederate Generals fought for.

 

[protectionist]

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Trump opposes efforts to remove Confederate commanders' names from military bases

President Donald Trump said Wednesday he opposes any effort by the US military to rename the nearly one dozen major bases and installations that bear the names of Confederate military commanders.

www.cnn.com

AP Hill - he fought in the Mexican–American War and Seminole Wars, and defended his home state of Virginia in the Civil War from Union attackers.

Braxton Bragg - although he was mostly unsuccessful as a general, he should be honored for having served in Florida and Tennessee, defending in the Civil War. Before that he received three brevet promotions for distinguished service in the Mexican–American War, most notably the Battle of Buena Vista.

John Bell Hood - he defended Georgia and Tennessee in the Civil War.

George Pickett - He served as a second lieutenant in the United States Army during the Mexican–American War, and is noted for his service in the Battle of Chapultepec in September 1847. Participated in the Pig War of 1859, and defended the state of Virginia in the Civil War.

All these men were generals in wars fighting for the United States and for the Confederacy. They, like all soldiers, should be honored for their service, completely regardless of the politics of the wars they fought in, as they were soldiers, not politicians.

And in what military service did YOU serve, rightwinger ?

 

[protectionist]

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

Bragg, Hood, and Lee are all in southern states. Why would a southern state want to name a fort after men who invaded their state, and attacked it ? Better to have names of men who defended their states.

 

[CremeBrulee]

CremeBrulee writes:
“That's the problem with this shit. Any name you might come up with will have some sort of stigma attached to it by someone. I guess you could start naming things after inanimate objects...”

I don’t think we will ever run out of genuine patriots and heroes who fought for worthy American (and universal) values. You are right, though, that we needn’t name forts after Generals only. Sure there may always be differences concerning this or that name, but at least let us not choose the names of men who fought against the United States in a war that defended slavery.

Or ideas even. Ft. Liberty, Ft. Freedom, Ft. Independence. I am not up to date on naming conventions for the military. Once you go down the rabbit hole of changing names though, you should be prepared to change everything named after anything or anyone to suit the whims of how people feel about something at any given time or according to their political ideology.

 

[OldLady]

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Trump opposes efforts to remove Confederate commanders' names from military bases

President Donald Trump said Wednesday he opposes any effort by the US military to rename the nearly one dozen major bases and installations that bear the names of Confederate military commanders.

www.cnn.com

All the ones you named except Fort Bragg were built during WWII. Per WaPo:

Who are the bases named after?
The bases, all in former Confederate states, were named with input from locals in the Jim Crow era. The Army courted their buy-in because it needed large swaths of land to build sprawling bases in the early 20th century up through World War II.

Three of the biggest bases in the United States are named after Confederate leaders, including some who were famously inept.

Fort Bragg in North Carolina, the headquarters of the Special Forces, bears the name of Gen. Braxton Bragg, a commander often assailed as one of the most bumbling commanders in the war. Bragg was relieved of command after losing the battle for Chattanooga in 1863, then served as a military adviser to Confederate President Jefferson Davis.

Fort Benning in Georgia, the home of Army infantry and airborne training, is named after Brig. Gen. Henry Benning, who led troops at Antietam and Gettysburg. In remarks in 1861 laying out slavery as the reason for secession, Benning warned that abolition would lead to “black governors, black legislatures, black juries, black everything. Is it to be supposed that the white race will stand for that?”

Fort Hood in Texas is named after John Bell Hood, who resigned his commission in the U.S. Army to fight against it. His “reckless” command hastened the fall of Atlanta, one historian wrote, and his losses at the Battle of Franklin were so disastrous that they have been called the “Pickett’s Charge of the West,” in reference to a bloody and failed assault named for Maj. Gen. George Pickett, one of Gen. Robert E. Lee’s top commanders at Gettysburg.
Unlike Bragg and Benning, Hood has no prewar roots in the state that has a post named after him. He commanded Texas troops but was born in Kentucky and buried in Louisiana.

The other bases named after Confederate commanders are Forts Lee, Pickett and A.P. Hill in Virginia, Forts Polk and Beauregard in Louisiana, Fort Gordon in Georgia and Fort Rucker in Alabama.

Why have efforts stalled in the past?
The Army, steeped in its history and traditions, has fought efforts to rename the installations and even the names of roads on its posts, saying in 2017 that such moves would be “controversial and divisive.”
As recently as February, McCarthy said there were no plans to rename the posts. The power to name posts falls to the assistant secretary of the army for manpower and reserve affairs.
McCarthy believes he can unilaterally change the names but would need input from the White House, lawmakers and state and local officials, CNN reported.

Who could bases be named after if they were changed?
The biggest formal push to rename an installation is to reflag Fort Hood after Roy Benavidez, a Green Beret who received the Medal of Honor for action in Cambodia during the Vietnam War.

Benavidez endured “six hours in hell,” he would later say of a 1968 battle in which he held his intestines in his hand, stabbed an enemy soldier to death and loaded the wounded and dead onto two helicopters.
He later said he had so many injuries and was so bloodied he was mistaken for a dead man and stuffed in a body bag until he spat in a doctor’s face. He earned five Purple Hearts in combat.
Benavidez died in 1998, and his name is on a stretch of highway, a Navy cargo ship, a short graphic novel, a commemorative G.I. Joe figure and, in a nod to his passion for education, several Texas schools. The League of United Latin American Citizens, an advocacy group, urged the Army last year to rename Fort Hood for him.

In recent days, veterans and others have lobbied for other historical figures, opening the door for women and minorities. One is Mary Edwards Walker, a surgeon and prisoner during the Civil War and the only woman who has received the Medal of Honor.

Calls on Twitter also intensified to rename Fort Benning after Sgt. 1st Class Alwyn Cashe, a black soldier and Georgia native whose actions in Iraq quickly became legend.
In 2005, his vehicle was destroyed by an improvised explosive device and consumed in flames. Cashe entered the Bradley three times to rescue six soldiers while he himself was on fire. He died of his injuries weeks later.
Cashe received the Silver Star for his heroism, although many say he deserved the Medal of Honor. Renaming Fort Benning after him, advocates have said, would correct at least one injustice.

So many American soldiers more worthy of honor

Alvin York
Audie Murphy
Daniel Inouye

Well, the towns that gave up land for those bases were Jim Crow South towns, and the military asked for their input. So they were named for Southern "heroes." It is true that all these officers were repatriated American citizens. Lincoln did NOT want the South punished for all time. I wish to hell we could leave it alone. I don't see the logic in Trump's reasoning that many soldiers have completed their training there, that it was the last piece of American soil where they stepped foot before dying overseas in a war, so the names should never be changed. But I also don't see the logic in going whole hog into "punishing the south" AGAIN. Lincoln did not want that. I don't think he would like this attitude of "make them pay" all over again.

 

[CremeBrulee]

Jefferson Davis, US Senator, and President of the Confederate States of America.

Party: Democratic

When is the Democratic Party being renamed?

Well, rightwinger , we are waiting for an explanation.

We don’t have any forts named after Jefferson Davis

It's in Texas and is now a national park.