Time to Expand the House?

[candycorn]

Obama promised to lock lobbyists out of the White House.

He won and what did he do? Invited in the lobbyists.

What did the people do? Re-elect him.

Anytime you have to choose one person to run the nation. McCain was the first alternative; Romney was the second one. Obama was the better choice in both cases. Clearly. Do you disagree?

Obama had hs share of failures. Listening to lobbyists was probably one of them but far from the most egregious.

 

[Robert W]

Obama promised to lock lobbyists out of the White House.

He won and what did he do? Invited in the lobbyists.

What did the people do? Re-elect him.

Lobbyists are a very important and vital part of helping congress understand. Congress does not rely on one lobbyist, a number show up to present facts and case arguments.

Many times, the lobbyists are open and are vital to hearings the congress has.

 

[pknopp]

Anytime you have to choose one person to run the nation. McCain was the first alternative; Romney was the second one. Obama was the better choice in both cases. Clearly. Do you disagree?

choosing between two bad choices is not something I participate in. They know they can lie because you are still going to support them regardless.

then you pretend the issue lies elsewhere.

Obama had hs share of failures. Listening to lobbyists was probably one of them but far from the most egregious.

Sure, his war mongering, bending over for Wall Street, spying on citizens and a long list of others were bad also.

 

[pknopp]

Lobbyists are a very important and vital part of helping congress understand. Congress does not rely on one lobbyist, a number show up to present facts and case arguments.

Many times, the lobbyists are open and are vital to hearings the congress has.

The only thing listened to is $$$$$$$.

 

[Robert W]

Anytime you have to choose one person to run the nation. McCain was the first alternative; Romney was the second one. Obama was the better choice in both cases. Clearly. Do you disagree?

Obama had hs share of failures. Listening to lobbyists was probably one of them but far from the most egregious.

Generally, the presidents rely on their team to talk to lobbyists and relay important data. Somehow this country came up with the nutty idea that lobbyists are bad people. They are simply experts in their working fields.

 

[pknopp]

Generally, the presidents rely on their team to talk to lobbyists and relay important data. Somehow this country came up with the nutty idea that lobbyists are bad people. They are simply experts in their working fields.

Odd how these experts would argue that opioid's were not addictive.

 

[Robert W]

The only thing listened to is $$$$$$$.

Imagine you are in congress. Would you desire an expert in airplanes to talk to you or Greta Thunberg? This assumes you want to know about airplanes to make important decisions.

 

[pknopp]

Imagine you are in congress. Would you desire an expert in airplanes to talk to you or Greta Thunberg?

Experts that got requirements on training lifted which cause planes to fall into the ocean?

I'd rely on Greta.

This assumes you want to know about airplanes to make important decisions.

I know how Boeing got people killed.

 

[Lockback]

Imagine you are in congress. Would you desire an expert in airplanes to talk to you or Greta Thunberg? This assumes you want to know about airplanes to make important decisions.

Greta Thunberg is only an expert in one thing: getting free publicity.
I can't recall another example in history when a child with clear mental issues was used to push a cause and to do so with relative success.

 

[Robert W]

Odd how these experts would argue that opioid's were not addictive.

I seem not to be reaching you.

The common bs about the lobbyist is fiction. Congress depends on them. Congress simply is not expert on all issues or problems. When they want to learn more, they will consult not a lobbyist, but several of them.

 

[Robert W]

Greta Thunberg is only an expert in one thing: getting free publicity.
I can't recall another example in history when a child with clear mental issues was used to push a cause and to do so with relative success.

I am trying to educate people on the role of lobbyists. Using Thunberg might not have worked but the idea is valid.

I got one reply that a poster believes Boeing got passengers killed and that simply is fiction.

 

[Robert W]

Experts that got requirements on training lifted which cause planes to fall into the ocean?

I'd rely on Greta.

If you were a pilot, you would not make that kind of claim. I am a pilot and do not believe you at all. So, to you Greta is your kind of expert. Amazing.

Why would Boeing or experts try to cause airliners to crash?

 

[Robert W]

Odd how these experts would argue that opioid's were not addictive.

For purposes of this argument, you are now in congress. Would that argument persuade you?

 

[Zincwarrior]

We need 330,000 house members.

 

[Robert W]

We need 330,000 house members.

Where would they operate? What about housing them? Ever been to DC?

 

[pknopp]

I seem not to be reaching you.

The common bs about the lobbyist is fiction. Congress depends on them. Congress simply is not expert on all issues or problems. When they want to learn more, they will consult not a lobbyist, but several of them.

Odd how they all argued opioids were not addictive.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Where would they operate? What about housing them? Ever been to DC?

Tents in a field in Nebraska. paper ballots only.

They can pay for their own housing.

Nope.

 

[pknopp]

If you were a pilot, you would not make that kind of claim.

You are just rambling.

I am a pilot and do not believe you at all. So, to you Greta is your kind of expert. Amazing.

Why would Boeing or experts try to cause airliners to crash?

Boeing's 737 MAX 8 Disasters | Case Study | MIT Sloan

On October 29, 2018, Indonesia’s Lion Air flight 610, a nearly new Boeing 737 MAX 8 jet, plunged into the Java Sea at 400 miles per hour, killing all 189 people on board. Eight days later Boeing issued a bulletin to all 737 MAX 8 and 737 MAX 9 operators stating that “erroneous angle-of-attack...

mitsloan.mit.edu

Boeing trial begins in Seattle over claims it hid 737 MAX safety concerns - MyNorthwest.com

LOT Polish Airlines has become the first airline to take Boeing to trial over the 737 MAX crashes, with proceedings starting Monday in Seattle.

mynorthwest.com

https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news...-about-plane-safety-from-us-senators/3315649/

All to keep the stock prices propped up.

 

[pknopp]

For purposes of this argument, you are now in congress. Would that argument persuade you?

Not me but that isn't what is in question. It did persuade.

Inside Purdue Pharma's multimillion-dollar payouts to politicians and pill-pushers

We uncovered a spreadsheet revealing little-known spending that helped sell opioids.

www.motherjones.com

 

[candycorn]

choosing between two bad choices is not something I participate in.

Okay. How has not choosing worked out for you?

They know they can lie because you are still going to support them regardless.

I voted for McCain as my senator twice (I think). He’s a moderate. Obama was more moderate than most democrats.

Find me a person who has never lied...do you think you can do that? Do you think that is a reasonable standard?

then you pretend the issue lies elsewhere.

There are issues that do exist elsewhere despite the rhetoric of the day. Saving GM was one of those. Obama did that. He did a lot of good things; he also had his share of fuckups. Drawing Iraq to a close. Killing Bin Laden. The ACA.

Sure, his war mongering, bending over for Wall Street, spying on citizens and a long list of others were bad also.

Can’t argue that. For six years (I think it was), he had an opposition Congress. He had to deal with Austerity measures. Still stuff he could control was lacking. Too big to fail banks were still too big to fail; nobody got punished for the VA and IRS scandals.

The whole, “I found about about it in the morning newspaper” was shocking.

Unlike most of his supporters, I was happpy to say that I thought it was nonsense.

On balance the positives outweigh the negatives by several tons.