Time to do away with the major political parties

[FA_Q2]

We get the politicians we deserve.

If you want to know who to blame for the mess we are in, look in the mirror.

Screw you, I did not support any of this trash

 

[g5000]

"Gimme gimme gimme, and make that guy over there pay for it!"

"Those other congresscritters spend too much on PORK, but my guy brings home the BACON!"

 

[g5000]

Congress: 20 percent approval rating.

House of Representatives: 98 percent re-election rate.

US Senate: 80 percent re-election rate.


We get the politicians we deserve.

 

[candycorn]

I don't think Trump is going to debate under any circumstances. He knows he cant manage it and he needs no 'free airtime.' He has an uncanny ability to conjure up free air time whenever he wants at any time. Particularly for the general, the last debates with Biden were a disaster for him.

Though, if he is not the nominee, it is almost certain there will be debates in the general.

Mmmm... every TV set in the political world will be pointed at him for hours. Has he ever turned down such an invitation?

 

[FA_Q2]

Mmmm... every TV set in the political world will be pointed at him for hours. Has he ever turned down such an invitation?

Yes, this last round.

He likes being shown up a lot less than he like the cameras pointed at him. I do not think that he will debate this time around, nothing to be gained.

 

[candycorn]

Yes, this last round.

He likes being shown up a lot less than he like the cameras pointed at him. I do not think that he will debate this time around, nothing to be gained.

Not really.

It was a Fox debate not carried on CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, or a dozen other channels.

As for “nothing to be gained”...there is plenty to be gained form his point of view....

 

[AntonToo]

Uh huh.

Power to the people: Bernie calls for federal takeover of electricity production

Sanders wants federally owned utilities to build massive amounts of wind and solar to compete with private generators, but critics say that would complicate an already tricky transition to clean energy.

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Why do Sanders people always lie about him? He wants to nationalize energy, essentially nationalize collage, nationalize healthcare and banking. Unless you think unilaterally 'disbanding' companies he deems to risky to exist is somehow not nationalizing.

Bernie Sanders Vows to Break up Nation's Largest Banks Within His First Year

Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders has vowed to break up the country’s largest banks and insurance companies within the first year of taking office.

abcnews.go.com

And, as far as I know, he has never disavowed any of the calls to nationalize massive sections of the economy in the 70s.

Bernie Sanders in the 1970s urged nationalization of most major industries | CNN Politics

Bernie Sanders advocated for the nationalization of most major industries, including energy companies, factories, and banks, when he was a leading member of a self-described "radical political party" in the 1970s, a CNN KFile review of his record reveals.

www.cnn.com

Do you have him explicitly stating he no longer believes these sectors should be nationalized. Do provide a link.

And, of course, saying billionaires should not exist is very capitalistic, right??? Noting socialistic about that one bit.

Sanders says he is a socialist. Sanders openly supports nationalizing massive sectors of the economy. Why should I treat Sanders own words about what he backs as lies but trust you that he is so much more moderate. Sanders supporters are as blind to his asinine ideas as Trump supporters are of Trump's... well, Trumps everything.

Silly, why don't you start by looking up the definition of the word NATIONALIZE and then actually READ and UNDERSTAND what your links say.

It's doesn't mean federally owned utilities building something to compete with private companies.

 

[dblack]

I've reached this decision after discussing the issue with several people.

For the first time in history, the United States will not have a Presidential debate in either party.

Now I realize the GOP has one without Trump but Trump is like the incumbent Biden, who is untouchable.

And with the legal troubles looming over Trump during the time to debate Biden, will Trump decline based on not wanting to talk about his cases before trial? So it may be that we won't get those debates either.

I've discussed the issue with a few democrats and republicans and the consensus is the same, they don't care. None of them care.

However, according to polls well than half the majority in each party don't want to see another Biden/Trump match up, which is unavoidable now.

The party system is pure poison. All that motivates people to vote now is how their cult party tells them to vote, even though it is not really what they want.

Imagine people having to listen to a candidate talk and assess them by themselves, without their party telling them to discard them because of their particular party they are affiliated with.

People's brains would implode!!

There's no need to do away with parties. They'd reappear in other forms regardless. All we need to do is get rid of the infrastructure that the parties have built up to protect their turf. And change the voting system to ranked choice voting so it doesn't reward candidates for being polarizing jackasses.

 

[FA_Q2]

Not really.

It was a Fox debate not carried on CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, or a dozen other channels.

As for “nothing to be gained”...there is plenty to be gained form his point of view....

Like what?

And because you want to downplay the coverage of the debate does not negate the point.

 

[FA_Q2]

Silly, why don't you start by looking up the definition of the word NATIONALIZE and then actually READ and UNDERSTAND what your links say.

It's doesn't mean federally owned utilities building something to compete with private companies.

Uh huh.

You can try and pretend all you want, that does not change the simple fact Bernie, his rhetoric and the supposed core values he has espoused for 50 years are socialist. That is a simple fact and all you have to argue against it is parroting nu-uh.

I provide actual facts. You provide incredulity. Nice try though.

 

[candycorn]

Like what?

And because you want to downplay the coverage of the debate does not negate the point.

Sure it does. By several orders of magnitude. Trump likes an audience and its going to be the biggest audience available.

 

[AntonToo]

Uh huh.

You can try and pretend all you want, that does not change the simple fact Bernie, his rhetoric and the supposed core values he has espoused for 50 years are socialist. That is a simple fact and all you have to argue against it is parroting nu-uh.

I provide actual facts. You provide incredulity. Nice try though.

His rhetoric is that of standard fare European/Scandinavian Democrat Socialists. Who by the way all believe in private ownership and necessity of (heavily regulated) capitalist components in economy.

I may not agree with him ON POLICIES, but there is no reason to lie about what he is.

 

[P F Tinmore]

It's not that simple.

The people need to come together to devise a plan to defeat the two major partiies.

That's far from being possible on account of a huge majority of Americans support the two parties.

But at least someone has started thinking of what has to happen

But of course that thinking has happened to a much greater degree in many previous years and has always been a resounding failure.

And now America has to try to deal with an outstanding attempted coup first!

The people need to come together to devise a plan to defeat the two major partiies.

I always vote Green. It doesn't matter who is running they are not going to win anyway. However, this builds their power. More votes means more ballot access, which means more time and money for campaigning.

This isn't throwing away your vote. This is building a third party.

 

[dblack]

Bone dead simple way to do away with the major parties - no "reform" legislation required: Stop voting for them. Here's now it works.

Step 1: Stop voting for them.

Any questions?

 

[ThisIsMe]

This thread belongs in the "rubber room". Blasphemy! More parties to divide the electorate even further?
Politics evolves, there are MANY other parties to support. Take your pick!
Don't forget to add the "No Labels" party for 2024.

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More parties to divide the electorate even further?

No, I think he’s talking about getting rid of parties altogether.

I’m kind of in agreement with OP though. “Parties” only serve to divide and alienate, and, as we see today, becomes an “us vs them” mentality.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Wait......huh? Look at ol bernie arresting code pink. And here we all thought he was a peace lover. Pfft. Just another neocon.

Progressive activists bring Ukraine war protests to congressional offices

More than 50 progressive activists marched across Capitol Hill on Wednesday to protest the war in Ukraine and call on lawmakers to push the Biden administration to negotiate an end to the war. At least 11 of the protesters were arrested outside the office of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) after...

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