“you’re not going to have a war with me as president”

[Mac1958]

Problem is, arsehole, you don't know what "my types" are.

You see things in black and white. You have no capacity to think about things on a higher fuking level.

That's why eejits like you cheer when he said "no war" and you're cheering now. And you how no idea how much you're being manipulated. That's why Trump loves fuking idiots like you.

Dunning-Kruger is killing us.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Hmmm...

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Oh, that "peace treaty" was absolutely hilarious.

They complete ignored one side of the conflict, who then ignored the supposed "peace treaty". A joke that Trump has no clue about

 

[candycorn]

How many radical governments are there in this world?

The Economist Democracy Index - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Afghanistan is the least democratic. The US went to Afghanistan because of 9/11 and because it was on the other side of Iran.

Next up is Myanmar. The US couldn't give a flying fork about Myanmar.

Then North Korea. The US cared about Korea in the 1950s and has somehow cared a bit, but Trump has totally ignored them in his second term.

Then the CAR - The US couldn't give a damn, the US hasn't even had an embassy in the country for 14 years.

Then Syria. The US cared a little, mostly because it was close to Israel and Iraq. Enough for Trump to declare he defeated ISIS, but not enough for Trump to actually defeat ISIS.

Then Sudan, the US doesn't really care about Sudan.

Then Turkmenistan, Loas, Tajikistan, Chad, the DRC, Equatorial Guinea all of which the US doesn't give a damn about.

Then Yemen, which the US cares about enough because it's close to oil shipping routes.

Then Iran.

But obviously the US cares more about Iran than many of the others because of.... OIL

I don't think there is anything wrong with caring more about Iran because of oil. I can accept the argument that it's in the national interest.

Pretending the other factors was a cause is what bothers me. Those in uniform and those who are families of the fallen should be told the truth; it's about oil...from Israel to Iran...the only thing that matters to the US is oil and, in my view, thats not a good enough reason to risk American blood and treasure.

After 50 years of wars over there, it would sure seem like it would sink in at some point that we need to develop another strategy.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I don't think there is anything wrong with caring more about Iran because of oil. I can accept the argument that it's in the national interest.

Pretending the other factors was a cause is what bothers me. Those in uniform and those who are families of the fallen should be told the truth; it's about oil...from Israel to Iran...the only thing that matters to the US is oil and, in my view, thats not a good enough reason to risk American blood and treasure.

After 50 years of wars over there, it would sure seem like it would sink in at some point that we need to develop another strategy.

Ah yes, the "national interest". We want other countries to do as they're told and will kill them.

But we will also claim to give a fart about their people. When we clearly don't. But stupid people will think they do.

But lying has always been the case. The Iraq War in 2003 was about "WMDs" and we now know that Bush (or Halliburton) sent people out to make up the evidence.

The problem now is that Trump needs a distraction from the Epstein files. He also needs a victory so he can harp on about his 8 wars stopped and his 8 wars won or whatever bullshit he'll come up with.

 

[Yarddog]

Of course there are beneficial aspects to it. I don't like the Iranian regime, the Ukraine will benefit from it massively.

However when the US goes warring.... pretending to have some kind of morals, they often leave a wake of dead bodies behind them.

Well I'm glad you can at least admit that there are benefits. As for us pretending to have MORALS??? often leaving a wake of bodies behind them???

AGAIN, im going to say. We are talking about an Iranian government who ordered tens of thousands of UNARMED men women and probably children to be gunned down and many more have been abducted and tortured ove rthe years... I guarantee you that our targeted strikes will have far far fewer casualties in the entire war than what Itran themselves have done in butchering their own people.. Now what about those morals???

And consider this.. the number one reason why our efforts in Iraq failed... regardless of if we think it was the right or wrong thing to do was IRAN... they sabotaged any efforts we made in helping Iraq establish a government. They interfered in every way. not only did they take American lives.... but they stole the chance away from the Iraqis themselves for some self determination.

IRAN is the instability in the M.E. I'm going to say it again. good ridance to the 11th century retrogrades.. there is a reason Iranians are willing to die even unarmed and helpless in opposing those leaders... now that they actually have a chance do you want to leave them hanging in the wind?

 

[Yarddog]

I don't think there is anything wrong with caring more about Iran because of oil. I can accept the argument that it's in the national interest.

Pretending the other factors was a cause is what bothers me. Those in uniform and those who are families of the fallen should be told the truth; it's about oil...from Israel to Iran...the only thing that matters to the US is oil and, in my view, thats not a good enough reason to risk American blood and treasure.

After 50 years of wars over there, it would sure seem like it would sink in at some point that we need to develop another strategy.

other factors DO factor in. You add it all up and make your decision

 

[frigidweirdo]

Well I'm glad you can at least admit that there are benefits. As for us pretending to have MORALS??? often leaving a wake of bodies behind them???

AGAIN, im going to say. We are talking about an Iranian government who ordered tens of thousands of UNARMED men women and probably children to be gunned down and many more have been abducted and tortured ove rthe years... I guarantee you that our targeted strikes will have far far fewer casualties in the entire war than what Itran themselves have done in butchering their own people.. Now what about those morals???

And consider this.. the number one reason why our efforts in Iraq failed... regardless of if we think it was the right or wrong thing to do was IRAN... they sabotaged any efforts we made in helping Iraq establish a government. They interfered in every way. not only did they take American lives.... but they stole the chance away from the Iraqis themselves for some self determination.

IRAN is the instability in the M.E. I'm going to say it again. good ridance to the 11th century retrogrades.. there is a reason Iranians are willing to die even unarmed and helpless in opposing those leaders... now that they actually have a chance do you want to leave them hanging in the wind?

Yeah, the Iranian govt isn't nice. But the US govt is getting loads of people killed to stop people talking about the Epstein files and oil.

How many died in Iraq? The US is instability in the Middle East too. Has been for a long time.

 

[Leo123]

Chances Barron Trump is going to war.... same chances as Trump had of going to Vietnam.

You have a hard on for Trump don'tcha?

 

[Mac1958]

I had a certain sense of foreboding entering Season Two, but I had no idea it would be both domestic and global chaos like this.

And the sycophancy by the flock is just next level now.

 

[Magnus]

Trump said on the campaign trail in 2024 “you’re not going to have a war with me as president”.

Oh, yeah, Trump. And guess what the MAGA did. They CHEERED.

Now Trump goes to war and they are CHEERING.

What won't they cheer at?

Seems like these people are easy to manipulate. Trump can say anything and they will cheer.

But the issue 1) Trump said whatever he wanted in the campaign and it didn't mean anything.

Trump has said this in the past. This means he's just talking nonsense and his supporters cheer even when they don't understand. Or they cheer because it's expected of them.

2) Trump really didn't want war but SOMETHING made him go to war... something like a huge pedophile ring of rich people that Trump was tied up in.

 

[frigidweirdo]

If anyone hasn't figured out that what Trump stands for is.... NOTHING. Other than Trump.

 

[GLASNOST]

“you’re not going to have a war with me as president”​

Maybe the Deep State put a horse's head in his bed.

 

[candycorn]

Ah yes, the "national interest". We want other countries to do as they're told and will kill them.

Basically yes. As distasteful as that is.

We should study why we keep doing this and come up with a national strategy to stop.

But we will also claim to give a fart about their people. When we clearly don't. But stupid people will think they do.

Yeah, that is what bothers me. The hypocrisy (for want of a better word) of shading your national interest and cloaking it in a concern for the citizens on whom you're dropping bombs.

But lying has always been the case. The Iraq War in 2003 was about "WMDs" and we now know that Bush (or Halliburton) sent people out to make up the evidence.

The problem now is that Trump needs a distraction from the Epstein files. He also needs a victory so he can harp on about his 8 wars stopped and his 8 wars won or whatever bullshit he'll come up with.

I don't think its the files. I think he needed to change the conversation from a loss in the SCOTUS.

 

[egp320i]

How many radical governments are there in this world?

The Economist Democracy Index - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Afghanistan is the least democratic. The US went to Afghanistan because of 9/11 and because it was on the other side of Iran.

Next up is Myanmar. The US couldn't give a flying fork about Myanmar.

Then North Korea. The US cared about Korea in the 1950s and has somehow cared a bit, but Trump has totally ignored them in his second term.

Then the CAR - The US couldn't give a damn, the US hasn't even had an embassy in the country for 14 years.

Then Syria. The US cared a little, mostly because it was close to Israel and Iraq. Enough for Trump to declare he defeated ISIS, but not enough for Trump to actually defeat ISIS.

Then Sudan, the US doesn't really care about Sudan.

Then Turkmenistan, Loas, Tajikistan, Chad, the DRC, Equatorial Guinea all of which the US doesn't give a damn about.

Then Yemen, which the US cares about enough because it's close to oil shipping routes.

Then Iran.

But obviously the US cares more about Iran than many of the others because of.... OIL

too many but how many have been threatening to destroy us the past 40 years?

north korea is always saying it but more a, yeah sure

ask anybody to point to where burma is and they would be clueless
yes we don't care, that country is really messed up

what is your point, we are going to go around the world changing the country now?

as I pointed out, most of these do not threaten to wipe us off the map with nukes, do they?

end of story

 

[frigidweirdo]

too many but how many have been threatening to destroy us the past 40 years?

north korea is always saying it but more a, yeah sure

ask anybody to point to where burma is and they would be clueless
yes we don't care, that country is really messed up

what is your point, we are going to go around the world changing the country now?

as I pointed out, most of these do not threaten to wipe us off the map with nukes, do they?

end of story

So, the whole argument that "we care about the people" just went out the window, didn't it?

The US couldn't give a flying fork about the people of other countries.

The only countries that threaten the US, are ones the US has been angering by interfering in their affairs.

Consequences.

 

[egp320i]

The US couldn't give a flying fork about the people of other countries.

Cynical much? and how do YOU know we don't care for freedom?

we have been fighting for freedom for 250 years, where have you been?

You don't seem all that proud to be here if you are

 

[frigidweirdo]

Cynical much? and how do YOU know we don't care for freedom?

we have been fighting for freedom for 250 years, where have you been?

You don't seem all that proud to be here if you are

Cynical or realistic?

I literally PROVED the US doesn't care about countries with harsher dictators than Iran who don't have oil.

Fighting for "freedom" huh? And where's that left the US? With a load of people who have two political parties to chose from who do whatever they want regardless of the people of the USA.

Proud of being immoral bullies. Oh yeah, who would be? Except people who have no joined up thinking?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Basically yes. As distasteful as that is.

We should study why we keep doing this and come up with a national strategy to stop.

Yeah, that is what bothers me. The hypocrisy (for want of a better word) of shading your national interest and cloaking it in a concern for the citizens on whom you're dropping bombs.

I don't think its the files. I think he needed to change the conversation from a loss in the SCOTUS.

There are many reasons why Trump might want to deflect. He likes being the center of attention and gets annoyed when he's not. It's like having a naughty child in the White House

 

[Godboy]

Trump said on the campaign trail in 2024 “you’re not going to have a war with me as president”.

Oh, yeah, Trump. And guess what the MAGA did. They CHEERED.

Now Trump goes to war and they are CHEERING.

What won't they cheer at?

Seems like these people are easy to manipulate. Trump can say anything and they will cheer.

But the issue 1) Trump said whatever he wanted in the campaign and it didn't mean anything.

Trump has said this in the past. This means he's just talking nonsense and his supporters cheer even when they don't understand. Or they cheer because it's expected of them.

2) Trump really didn't want war but SOMETHING made him go to war... something like a huge pedophile ring of rich people that Trump was tied up in.

War doesnt actually bother the vast majority of people. No one cares when they hear about a terrorist being drone striked. No one cares when a SEAL team wacks a group of Congalese rebels. We like that stuff.

What people dont like are long wars. As long as its finished quickly, no one will even remember that it happened a few months after its over.

 

[DennisPTate]

Trump said on the campaign trail in 2024 “you’re not going to have a war with me as president”.

Oh, yeah, Trump. And guess what the MAGA did. They CHEERED.

Now Trump goes to war and they are CHEERING.

What won't they cheer at?

Seems like these people are easy to manipulate. Trump can say anything and they will cheer.

But the issue 1) Trump said whatever he wanted in the campaign and it didn't mean anything.

Trump has said this in the past. This means he's just talking nonsense and his supporters cheer even when they don't understand. Or they cheer because it's expected of them.

2) Trump really didn't want war but SOMETHING made him go to war... something like a huge pedophile ring of rich people that Trump was tied up in.

Could it be that he is correct and that you and I do not even know what a real war is?

The insanity of the leadership of Iran proved that they could not be trusted to not attempt to use a nuclear device to hit Israel in order to unite the Islamic world behind Iran.

What Trump decided to do against Iran was the best of a number of not so great options.

Oh, I should mention that an online friend of mine has made me aware of quotations from the Koran that the leadership of Iran were certainly guilty of ignoring.

Thread 'God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land by near death experiencer Robert Mendelson.'

Dec 23, 2025

God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land by near death experiencer Robert Mendelson has already been translated into both Arabic as well as Hebrew from the original English.

I have spoken to Robert by phone and he speaks and writes like somebody who has multiple doctoral degrees. For example he could debate History, Economics, Spirituality, Philosophy and the subject of bringing Shalom to the Middle East with doctoral level professionals in all of those fields.

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God's Peace Plan

for the Holy Land

A Peace Plan for Israel/Palestine

conforming to guidelines from the Bible and Qur’an
presented by


Robert Leon Mendelson

Copyright December 2010.

......
Preface



“God’s Peace for the Holy Land*”? Isn’t that a presumptuous title? Please allow

me to explain. First, since the sacred books of Judaism, Christianity and Islam

provide the guidelines supporting this solution, and since I wasn’t the one who

wrote them, calling them “God’s” seems fair. That’s why the words “presented by”

precede my name on the title page. Second, this book in no way proselytizes or

puts one religion above another. Nor does it openly or subtly encourage anyone to

convert to anything. What it does is take into account something without which

attaining peace in the Holy Land (Israel/Palestine) will forever be unattainable.

That “something” is the sacred messages delivered to each of the peoples involved

in the dispute. In this case, referencing the sacred books is more than some dry,

scholarly exercise or even a gesture of courtesy. Without taking the sacred books

into account, peace in the Holy Land will be near, if not completely, impossible.


What it boils down to is this: there are two groups of people, Palestinians and

Ashkenazi Jews (a.k.a. “Khazars”/“Eastern European Jews”) living in the Holy Land

and who appear to be genetically unrelated. In general, the belief systems

(religions) of both groups seem to direct them to subjugate and/or expel the other

group based on their being alien interlopers. Since millions of participants believe

this, and because their beliefs lead to acts of violence, finding a solution that

permits peace requires referencing their sacred literature.



Some may say the conflict has nothing to do with religion, but if this were so,

Jews wouldn’t claim “God gave us this land”. There’d be no point in doing so if it

had no importance to people. And Iran, a Persian nation, would have little interest

in a conflict concerning Semitic peoples several hundred miles away. It’s the

religious connection that brings Muslims of diverse backgrounds together in

support of Palestinians. Nor would millions of American Christians support Israel

without that support based on how they’re taught to read their Bibles." (Robert Mendelson)

[Robert Mendelson]

Next, we come to Islam and most Palestinians.

Sura 29:46;

Dispute not…with people of the Book;

And say ye, "We believe in what hath been sent down to us [Qur’an]

and what hath been sent down to you. [Old & New Testaments]

Our God and your God is one,..."

Sura 2:136;

Say ye: "We believe in God,

and that which hath been sent down to us [Qur’an],

and that which hath been sent down to Abraham

and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes [Joshua],

and in that was given to Moses, and to Jesus,

and that which was given to the prophets, from their Lord.

No difference do we make between any of them."

There are many other instances in which Muhammad told his people that

the books of the Bible were confirmed. Again, one can argue theology, but

Muslims have a choice as to whether they wish to read the Qur’an for life or

for death. Making use of the Old Testament for a solution meant for the

members of both tribes currently in the Holy Land in no way places Muslims

in other lands under any constraints in their own land. The following passage

is quite specific regarding the value of the Old Testament—properly applied;


Sura 46:12;

But before the Koran was the Book of Moses, a rule and a mercy;

and this Book confirmeth it (the Pentateuch)—in the Arabic tongue—

that those who are guilty of that wrong may be warned,

and as glad tidings to the doers of good."

“glad tidings” to “doers of good”. Muslims are supposed to be “doers of good”.

Using Old Testament Law for the descendents of those it was originally given to

in the same land in which it was originally received doesn’t violate shariah in the

least. Muhammad recited a verse including a reference to David (from the Bible)


Sura 6:85;

And we gave him Isaac and Jacob, and guided both aright;

and We had guided…among the descendants of Abraham, David …”

David said something pertinent to the situation:

Psalm 19:9-11, David;

9…The ordinances of the LORD are sure and altogether righteous.

10 They are more precious than gold, than much pure gold;

they are sweeter than honey, than honey from the comb.

11 By them is your servant warned;

in keeping them there is great reward.”

And last, an Old Testament prophecy of particular interest for Muslims

throughout the Middle East from Isaiah…

Isaiah 19:25;

The LORD Almighty will bless them, saying,

"Blessed be Egypt my people, Assyria [Iraq] my handiwork,

and Israel my inheritance."

There is value for all people to make use of this wonderful tool for peace.

Without it, well, the next two passages sum up what Muslims will do.

The first passage explains how the situation in the Holy Land is seen by

Muslims worldwide and how it effects their relations with America.


Sura 60:7-9;

7 God will, perhaps, establish good will between yourselves

and those of them whom ye take to be your enemies:

God is powerful: and God is gracious, merciful.

8 God doth not forbid you to deal with kindness and fairness

towards those who have not made war upon you on account of your religion,

or driven you forth from your homes:

for God loveth those who act with fairness.



9 Only doth God forbid you to make friends of those who,

on account of your religion,

have warred against you,

and have driven you forth from your homes,

and have aided [America & the West] those [Israel] whom drove you forth:

and whoever maketh friends of them are wrongdoers."

Palestinians weren’t allowed to return to their homes after the war in 1948.

Then, after the 1967 war, more Palestinians were displaced. The majority of

Palestinians are Muslims, and whether rightly or wrongly, injustices committed

by Israel against Palestinians are perceived as injustices against Muslims as a

religion. According to this belief, verse 9 forbids all Muslims from making peace

with either Israel or anyone who supports Israel until this issue is resolved.

To understand what this next one is saying, understand that when Jews follow

the Torah and Old Testament, they’re included as “faithful”, too.


Sura 49:9-10;

9 If two bodies of the faithful are at war,

then make ye peace between them;

and if one of them wrong the other,

fight against that party which doth the wrong,

until they come back to the precepts of God;

if they come back, make peace between them with fairness,

and act impartially; God loveth those who act with impartiality.

10 Only the faithful [those who obey God's statutes] are brethren;

wherefore make peace between your brethren;

and fear God, that ye may obtain mercy."

The command to Muslims is for un-ending war until all parties abide by the

“precepts of God”. For Israelites, the precepts for sharing the land were placed

in the Old Testament. There was no need for covenants regarding land sharing

in the Holy Land to be duplicated in the Qur’an. Nor does referencing them in

any way make a Muslim disobedient to God. On the contrary—it enables them

to receive God’s mercy." (Robert Mendelson)