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I posted three articles that will give you an idea. Try reading them.Yes. The Irishman who was sick or injured was left to starve or live on whatever charity was available. He was disposable, a slave was valuable to his owner and would never be left to starve if injured. Frame it any way you want, voluntary immigrants were disposable, expensive slaves were not.Slavery was institutionalized in the Colonies by the English, the Spanish and every other European country for 200 hundred years. The Confederacy only existed for about 4 years. The last Yankee state to abolish slavery was New Jersey about ten years before the Civil War. The Irish immigrants in the early 1860's were snatched up almost before they left the ship to be used as cannon fodder in the Civil War by the hypocrite North.
So are you saying that the Irish who volunteered to come to America suffered worse than the black folks who were brought to this country in chains.
How many Irish were beaten, tortured, whipped, chained, raped, children taken away from them? I could go on but what would be the use, only a fool believes that a man brought here under his free will had it worse than a man who was brought here in chains.
You are simply lying about this matter.
Liam Hogan, All of my work on the “Irish slaves” meme (2015–’19),
Liam Hogan, Irish slaves’: the convenient myth, ‘Irish slaves’: the convenient myth
Eoin O'Carroll, No, the Irish were not slaves in the Americas, Christian Science Monitor, March 16, 2018, No, the Irish were not slaves in the Americas
Art McDonald, Ph.D., How the Irish Became White,
Islam took slaves from Ireland and Europe and sold the majority of Black slaves to white traders. You want to blame someone, try them. And your article is bullshit.
I posted three articles that will give you an idea. Try reading them.Yes. The Irishman who was sick or injured was left to starve or live on whatever charity was available. He was disposable, a slave was valuable to his owner and would never be left to starve if injured. Frame it any way you want, voluntary immigrants were disposable, expensive slaves were not.Slavery was institutionalized in the Colonies by the English, the Spanish and every other European country for 200 hundred years. The Confederacy only existed for about 4 years. The last Yankee state to abolish slavery was New Jersey about ten years before the Civil War. The Irish immigrants in the early 1860's were snatched up almost before they left the ship to be used as cannon fodder in the Civil War by the hypocrite North.
So are you saying that the Irish who volunteered to come to America suffered worse than the black folks who were brought to this country in chains.
How many Irish were beaten, tortured, whipped, chained, raped, children taken away from them? I could go on but what would be the use, only a fool believes that a man brought here under his free will had it worse than a man who was brought here in chains.
You are simply lying about this matter.
Liam Hogan, All of my work on the “Irish slaves” meme (2015–’19),
Liam Hogan, Irish slaves’: the convenient myth, ‘Irish slaves’: the convenient myth
Eoin O'Carroll, No, the Irish were not slaves in the Americas, Christian Science Monitor, March 16, 2018, No, the Irish were not slaves in the Americas
Art McDonald, Ph.D., How the Irish Became White,
Islam took slaves from Ireland and Europe and sold the majority of Black slaves to white traders. You want to blame someone, try them. And your article is bullshit.
No, it is not. Whites like you want to excuse your way into denial but the book by the Sublettes is over 800 paes of documented evidence. What you say is basically unture. Liam Hogan is an Irish historian. So your excuses are what the bullshit is
Nobody moved the goalposts anywhere. You have benefitted from a system built on white supremacy. We aren't talking about just getting treated badly.You got a problem with that?They'll just use the money to buy more booze.Time for Reparations to the Irish
Do you believe that black folks in America are overdue reparations?
why should anyone be compensated for what their ancestors went through?
So should black folks who suffered through Jim Crow segregation be compensated, since many of us are still alive today.
I don’t believe so, no. What would be the proper compensation for people who lived through those times?
So now you are moving the goalposts, at first you are saying that the ancestors shouldn't be given reparations for the injustices that were done, now you are saying the folks who lived through the injustices shouldn't be compensated.
actually the premise of those demanding reparations is because of slavery, which I addressed. You moved the goalposts by bringing up Jim Crow. Furthermore blacks aren’t the only group that has been treated badly by America in the past. Listen I never owned a slave and had nothing to do with segregation, so in my book we’re square.
I posted three articles that will give you an idea. Try reading them.Yes. The Irishman who was sick or injured was left to starve or live on whatever charity was available. He was disposable, a slave was valuable to his owner and would never be left to starve if injured. Frame it any way you want, voluntary immigrants were disposable, expensive slaves were not.Slavery was institutionalized in the Colonies by the English, the Spanish and every other European country for 200 hundred years. The Confederacy only existed for about 4 years. The last Yankee state to abolish slavery was New Jersey about ten years before the Civil War. The Irish immigrants in the early 1860's were snatched up almost before they left the ship to be used as cannon fodder in the Civil War by the hypocrite North.
So are you saying that the Irish who volunteered to come to America suffered worse than the black folks who were brought to this country in chains.
How many Irish were beaten, tortured, whipped, chained, raped, children taken away from them? I could go on but what would be the use, only a fool believes that a man brought here under his free will had it worse than a man who was brought here in chains.
You are simply lying about this matter.
Liam Hogan, All of my work on the “Irish slaves” meme (2015–’19),
Liam Hogan, Irish slaves’: the convenient myth, ‘Irish slaves’: the convenient myth
Eoin O'Carroll, No, the Irish were not slaves in the Americas, Christian Science Monitor, March 16, 2018, No, the Irish were not slaves in the Americas
Art McDonald, Ph.D., How the Irish Became White,
Islam took slaves from Ireland and Europe and sold the majority of Black slaves to white traders. You want to blame someone, try them. And your article is bullshit.
No, it is not. Whites like you want to excuse your way into denial but the book by the Sublettes is over 800 paes of documented evidence. What you say is basically unture. Liam Hogan is an Irish historian. So your excuses are what the bullshit is
I am denying nothing. I had 0 to do with slavery.
You are an idiot. Show me anyone in the USA that is starving. It just doesn't happen, even the homeless don't starve.Work or starve is the choice we all have now.Yeah, White Privilege: work or starve.No, the Irish were white and benefitted from being white.People forget every race has been involved in buying and selling slaves. Again, holding present day people responsible for the past makes no sense. It is a tool to divide people.Show me an Irishman who had his children sold off or was whippedSlavery was institutionalized in the Colonies by the English, the Spanish and every other European country for 200 hundred years. The Confederacy only existed for about 4 years. The last Yankee state to abolish slavery was New Jersey about ten years before the Civil War. The Irish immigrants in the early 1860's were snatched up almost before they left the ship to be used as cannon fodder in the Civil War by the hypocrite North.
So are you saying that the Irish who volunteered to come to America suffered worse than the black folks who were brought to this country in chains.AOH Florida State Board is under construction
Friendship, Unity, and Christian Charity from the Sunshine Statewww.aohflorida.org
The Forgotten History Of The Irish Sold Into Slavery
"What captivity has been to the Jews, exile has been to the Irish. For us, the romance of our nativeknowledgenuts.com
Read the book White Cargo, tragic
The Irish worked through it, some others not so much
The Irish just like every other white ethnic group in this country, chose to unite around skin color and deny rights to those who were not white.
pretty much. Poor people in other countries pick food out of the garbage. Here poor people have flatscreens and smart phones
How many poor people's homes have you been in?
growing up quiet a few. As an adult never. Is there a point to the question?
Did most of them have flat screens in their homes?
in the 80’s and mid 90’s flatscreens weren’t a thing. Now everyone has a flatscreen
So if you're poor you shouldn't have a TV. You do know that a flat screen TV is pretty inexpensive today.
Yeah I don’t buy it. I’m an immigrant. Everything I own I worked for.Nobody moved the goalposts anywhere. You have benefitted from a system built on white supremacy. We aren't talking about just getting treated badly.You got a problem with that?They'll just use the money to buy more booze.Time for Reparations to the Irish
Do you believe that black folks in America are overdue reparations?
why should anyone be compensated for what their ancestors went through?
So should black folks who suffered through Jim Crow segregation be compensated, since many of us are still alive today.
I don’t believe so, no. What would be the proper compensation for people who lived through those times?
So now you are moving the goalposts, at first you are saying that the ancestors shouldn't be given reparations for the injustices that were done, now you are saying the folks who lived through the injustices shouldn't be compensated.
actually the premise of those demanding reparations is because of slavery, which I addressed. You moved the goalposts by bringing up Jim Crow. Furthermore blacks aren’t the only group that has been treated badly by America in the past. Listen I never owned a slave and had nothing to do with segregation, so in my book we’re square.
I posted three articles that will give you an idea. Try reading them.Yes. The Irishman who was sick or injured was left to starve or live on whatever charity was available. He was disposable, a slave was valuable to his owner and would never be left to starve if injured. Frame it any way you want, voluntary immigrants were disposable, expensive slaves were not.Slavery was institutionalized in the Colonies by the English, the Spanish and every other European country for 200 hundred years. The Confederacy only existed for about 4 years. The last Yankee state to abolish slavery was New Jersey about ten years before the Civil War. The Irish immigrants in the early 1860's were snatched up almost before they left the ship to be used as cannon fodder in the Civil War by the hypocrite North.
So are you saying that the Irish who volunteered to come to America suffered worse than the black folks who were brought to this country in chains.
How many Irish were beaten, tortured, whipped, chained, raped, children taken away from them? I could go on but what would be the use, only a fool believes that a man brought here under his free will had it worse than a man who was brought here in chains.
You are simply lying about this matter.
Liam Hogan, All of my work on the “Irish slaves” meme (2015–’19),
Liam Hogan, Irish slaves’: the convenient myth, ‘Irish slaves’: the convenient myth
Eoin O'Carroll, No, the Irish were not slaves in the Americas, Christian Science Monitor, March 16, 2018, No, the Irish were not slaves in the Americas
Art McDonald, Ph.D., How the Irish Became White,
Islam took slaves from Ireland and Europe and sold the majority of Black slaves to white traders. You want to blame someone, try them. And your article is bullshit.
No, it is not. Whites like you want to excuse your way into denial but the book by the Sublettes is over 800 paes of documented evidence. What you say is basically unture. Liam Hogan is an Irish historian. So your excuses are what the bullshit is
Look..reparations in the form of cash payments for anyone is a bad is
End of story
I posted three articles that will give you an idea. Try reading them.Yes. The Irishman who was sick or injured was left to starve or live on whatever charity was available. He was disposable, a slave was valuable to his owner and would never be left to starve if injured. Frame it any way you want, voluntary immigrants were disposable, expensive slaves were not.Slavery was institutionalized in the Colonies by the English, the Spanish and every other European country for 200 hundred years. The Confederacy only existed for about 4 years. The last Yankee state to abolish slavery was New Jersey about ten years before the Civil War. The Irish immigrants in the early 1860's were snatched up almost before they left the ship to be used as cannon fodder in the Civil War by the hypocrite North.
So are you saying that the Irish who volunteered to come to America suffered worse than the black folks who were brought to this country in chains.
How many Irish were beaten, tortured, whipped, chained, raped, children taken away from them? I could go on but what would be the use, only a fool believes that a man brought here under his free will had it worse than a man who was brought here in chains.
You are simply lying about this matter.
Liam Hogan, All of my work on the “Irish slaves” meme (2015–’19),
Liam Hogan, Irish slaves’: the convenient myth, ‘Irish slaves’: the convenient myth
Eoin O'Carroll, No, the Irish were not slaves in the Americas, Christian Science Monitor, March 16, 2018, No, the Irish were not slaves in the Americas
Art McDonald, Ph.D., How the Irish Became White,
Islam took slaves from Ireland and Europe and sold the majority of Black slaves to white traders. You want to blame someone, try them. And your article is bullshit.
No, it is not. Whites like you want to excuse your way into denial but the book by the Sublettes is over 800 paes of documented evidence. What you say is basically unture. Liam Hogan is an Irish historian. So your excuses are what the bullshit is
I am denying nothing. I had 0 to do with slavery.
The government of this country did though.
What you don't buy doesn't matter. The evidence shows that white immigrants benefitted from racially discriminating against people of color.Yeah I don’t buy it. I’m an immigrant. Everything I own I worked for.Nobody moved the goalposts anywhere. You have benefitted from a system built on white supremacy. We aren't talking about just getting treated badly.You got a problem with that?They'll just use the money to buy more booze.Time for Reparations to the Irish
Do you believe that black folks in America are overdue reparations?
why should anyone be compensated for what their ancestors went through?
So should black folks who suffered through Jim Crow segregation be compensated, since many of us are still alive today.
I don’t believe so, no. What would be the proper compensation for people who lived through those times?
So now you are moving the goalposts, at first you are saying that the ancestors shouldn't be given reparations for the injustices that were done, now you are saying the folks who lived through the injustices shouldn't be compensated.
actually the premise of those demanding reparations is because of slavery, which I addressed. You moved the goalposts by bringing up Jim Crow. Furthermore blacks aren’t the only group that has been treated badly by America in the past. Listen I never owned a slave and had nothing to do with segregation, so in my book we’re square.
Here we have a thread where whites are demanding reparations for something their ancestors experiences while telling us black how we are wrong for doing. The mind of a white racist is like that of a petulant spoiled child.
Were they lynching the Irish for 100 years?Don't try that victim shit with me. Face the truth and grow as a human being.What a wicked victim you are, not. If you want do anything about it stop voting for Democrats because you are nothing but a plaything for them.Let's cut to the chase, Irish and other white ethnic groups chose to deny other of opportunity because of the color they were born with. And today they still do.Let's cut to the chase you are born the color you are born with. What can't you understand about that? There is no choice in the matter.Yes in fact they made that choice.Was being white their choice somehow? Did you chose to be Black?No, the Irish were white and benefitted from being white.People forget every race has been involved in buying and selling slaves. Again, holding present day people responsible for the past makes no sense. It is a tool to divide people.Show me an Irishman who had his children sold off or was whippedSlavery was institutionalized in the Colonies by the English, the Spanish and every other European country for 200 hundred years. The Confederacy only existed for about 4 years. The last Yankee state to abolish slavery was New Jersey about ten years before the Civil War. The Irish immigrants in the early 1860's were snatched up almost before they left the ship to be used as cannon fodder in the Civil War by the hypocrite North.
So are you saying that the Irish who volunteered to come to America suffered worse than the black folks who were brought to this country in chains.AOH Florida State Board is under construction
Friendship, Unity, and Christian Charity from the Sunshine StateThe Forgotten History Of The Irish Sold Into Slavery
"What captivity has been to the Jews, exile has been to the Irish. For us, the romance of our native
Read the book White Cargo, tragic
The Irish worked through it, some others not so much
“In the early years of immigration the poor Irish and blacks were thrown together, very much part of the same class competing for the same jobs. In the census of 1850, the term mulatto appears for the first time due primarily to inter-marriage between Irish and African Americans. The Irish were often referred to as Negroes turned inside out and Negroes as smoked Irish. A famous quip of the time attributed to a black man went something like this: "My master is a great tyrant, he treats me like a common Irishman." Free blacks and Irish were viewed by the Nativists as related, somehow similar, performing the same tasks in society. It was felt that if amalgamation between the races was to happen, it would happen between Irish and blacks. But, ultimately, the Irish made the decision to embrace whiteness, thus becoming part of the system which dominated and oppressed blacks. Although it contradicted their experience back home, it meant freedom here since blackness meant slavery.
An article by a black writer in an 1860 edition of the Liberator explained how the Irish ultimately attained their objectives: "Fifteen or twenty years ago, a Catholic priest in Philadelphia said to the Irish people in that city, 'You are all poor, and chiefly laborers, the blacks are poor laborers; many of the native whites are laborers; now, if you wish to succeed, you must do everything that they do, no matter how degrading, and do it for less than they can afford to do it for.' The Irish adopted this plan; they lived on less than the Americans could live upon, and worked for less, and the result is, that nearly all the menial employments are monopolized by the Irish, who now get as good prices as anybody. There were other avenues open to American white men, and though they have suffered much, the chief support of the Irish has come from the places from which we have been crowded."
Once the Irish secured themselves in those jobs, they made sure blacks were kept out. They realized that as long as they continued to work alongside blacks, they would be considered no different. Later, as Irish became prominent in the labor movement, African Americans were excluded from participation. In fact, one of the primary themes of How the Irish Became White is the way in which left labor historians, such as the highly acclaimed Herbert Gutman, have not paid sufficient attention to the problem of race in the development of the labor movement.
And so, we have the tragic story of how one oppressed "race," Irish Catholics, learned how to collaborate in the oppression of another "race," Africans in America, in order to secure their place in the white republic. Becoming white meant losing their greenness, i.e., their Irish cultural heritage and the legacy of oppression and discrimination back home.”
Art McDonald, Ph.D., “How the Irish Became White”
You play the victim card again, again, again, again....
No it isn't. But the belief that you can continually wrong people without righting that wrong is.Look..reparations in the form of cash payments for anyone is a bad is
End of story
Reparations in the form of cash payments and anything else is bad. That’s the end of the story
Were they lynching the Irish for 100 years?Don't try that victim shit with me. Face the truth and grow as a human being.What a wicked victim you are, not. If you want do anything about it stop voting for Democrats because you are nothing but a plaything for them.Let's cut to the chase, Irish and other white ethnic groups chose to deny other of opportunity because of the color they were born with. And today they still do.Let's cut to the chase you are born the color you are born with. What can't you understand about that? There is no choice in the matter.Yes in fact they made that choice.Was being white their choice somehow? Did you chose to be Black?No, the Irish were white and benefitted from being white.People forget every race has been involved in buying and selling slaves. Again, holding present day people responsible for the past makes no sense. It is a tool to divide people.Show me an Irishman who had his children sold off or was whippedSlavery was institutionalized in the Colonies by the English, the Spanish and every other European country for 200 hundred years. The Confederacy only existed for about 4 years. The last Yankee state to abolish slavery was New Jersey about ten years before the Civil War. The Irish immigrants in the early 1860's were snatched up almost before they left the ship to be used as cannon fodder in the Civil War by the hypocrite North.
So are you saying that the Irish who volunteered to come to America suffered worse than the black folks who were brought to this country in chains.AOH Florida State Board is under construction
Friendship, Unity, and Christian Charity from the Sunshine StateThe Forgotten History Of The Irish Sold Into Slavery
"What captivity has been to the Jews, exile has been to the Irish. For us, the romance of our native
Read the book White Cargo, tragic
The Irish worked through it, some others not so much
“In the early years of immigration the poor Irish and blacks were thrown together, very much part of the same class competing for the same jobs. In the census of 1850, the term mulatto appears for the first time due primarily to inter-marriage between Irish and African Americans. The Irish were often referred to as Negroes turned inside out and Negroes as smoked Irish. A famous quip of the time attributed to a black man went something like this: "My master is a great tyrant, he treats me like a common Irishman." Free blacks and Irish were viewed by the Nativists as related, somehow similar, performing the same tasks in society. It was felt that if amalgamation between the races was to happen, it would happen between Irish and blacks. But, ultimately, the Irish made the decision to embrace whiteness, thus becoming part of the system which dominated and oppressed blacks. Although it contradicted their experience back home, it meant freedom here since blackness meant slavery.
An article by a black writer in an 1860 edition of the Liberator explained how the Irish ultimately attained their objectives: "Fifteen or twenty years ago, a Catholic priest in Philadelphia said to the Irish people in that city, 'You are all poor, and chiefly laborers, the blacks are poor laborers; many of the native whites are laborers; now, if you wish to succeed, you must do everything that they do, no matter how degrading, and do it for less than they can afford to do it for.' The Irish adopted this plan; they lived on less than the Americans could live upon, and worked for less, and the result is, that nearly all the menial employments are monopolized by the Irish, who now get as good prices as anybody. There were other avenues open to American white men, and though they have suffered much, the chief support of the Irish has come from the places from which we have been crowded."
Once the Irish secured themselves in those jobs, they made sure blacks were kept out. They realized that as long as they continued to work alongside blacks, they would be considered no different. Later, as Irish became prominent in the labor movement, African Americans were excluded from participation. In fact, one of the primary themes of How the Irish Became White is the way in which left labor historians, such as the highly acclaimed Herbert Gutman, have not paid sufficient attention to the problem of race in the development of the labor movement.
And so, we have the tragic story of how one oppressed "race," Irish Catholics, learned how to collaborate in the oppression of another "race," Africans in America, in order to secure their place in the white republic. Becoming white meant losing their greenness, i.e., their Irish cultural heritage and the legacy of oppression and discrimination back home.”
Art McDonald, Ph.D., “How the Irish Became White”
You play the victim card again, again, again, again....
Reparations must begin immediately.Show me an Irishman who had his children sold off or was whippedSlavery was institutionalized in the Colonies by the English, the Spanish and every other European country for 200 hundred years. The Confederacy only existed for about 4 years. The last Yankee state to abolish slavery was New Jersey about ten years before the Civil War. The Irish immigrants in the early 1860's were snatched up almost before they left the ship to be used as cannon fodder in the Civil War by the hypocrite North.
So are you saying that the Irish who volunteered to come to America suffered worse than the black folks who were brought to this country in chains.
When America Despised the Irish: The 19th Century’s Refugee Crisis | HISTORY
Forced from their homeland because of famine and political upheaval, the Irish endured vehement discrimination before making their way into the American mainstream.www.history.com
How do you get reparations for something you were PAID to do?
The same way you get paid for doing nothing and suffering not one tiny little bit.
Who is receiving that kind of reparations?
That's a lie and I don't think a bunch of white racists making light of people they have mistreated in order to get what they have is funny.Here we have a thread where whites are demanding reparations for something their ancestors experiences while telling us black how we are wrong for doing. The mind of a white racist is like that of a petulant spoiled child.
No one is demanding reparations except you. Get a sense of humor
No it isn't. But the belief that you can continually wrong people without righting that wrong is.Look..reparations in the form of cash payments for anyone is a bad is
End of story
Reparations in the form of cash payments and anything else is bad. That’s the end of the story
And anything else?Look..reparations in the form of cash payments for anyone is a bad is
End of story
Reparations in the form of cash payments and anything else is bad. That’s the end of the story
