Time for Reparations to the Irish

[Lastamender]

Slavery was institutionalized in the Colonies by the English, the Spanish and every other European country for 200 hundred years. The Confederacy only existed for about 4 years. The last Yankee state to abolish slavery was New Jersey about ten years before the Civil War. The Irish immigrants in the early 1860's were snatched up almost before they left the ship to be used as cannon fodder in the Civil War by the hypocrite North.

So are you saying that the Irish who volunteered to come to America suffered worse than the black folks who were brought to this country in chains.

Show me an Irishman who had his children sold off or was whipped

AOH Florida State Board is under construction

Friendship, Unity, and Christian Charity from the Sunshine State

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100s Of Thousands Of Irish Slaves Were Brought To The New World By England

rense.com

The Forgotten History Of The Irish Sold Into Slavery

"What captivity has been to the Jews, exile has been to the Irish. For us, the romance of our native

knowledgenuts.com

Read the book White Cargo, tragic

People forget every race has been involved in buying and selling slaves. Again, holding present day people responsible for the past makes no sense. It is a tool to divide people.

The Irish worked through it, some others not so much

No, the Irish were white and benefitted from being white.

Was being white their choice somehow? Did you chose to be Black?

Yes in fact they made that choice.

“In the early years of immigration the poor Irish and blacks were thrown together, very much part of the same class competing for the same jobs. In the census of 1850, the term mulatto appears for the first time due primarily to inter-marriage between Irish and African Americans. The Irish were often referred to as Negroes turned inside out and Negroes as smoked Irish. A famous quip of the time attributed to a black man went something like this: "My master is a great tyrant, he treats me like a common Irishman." Free blacks and Irish were viewed by the Nativists as related, somehow similar, performing the same tasks in society. It was felt that if amalgamation between the races was to happen, it would happen between Irish and blacks. But, ultimately, the Irish made the decision to embrace whiteness, thus becoming part of the system which dominated and oppressed blacks. Although it contradicted their experience back home, it meant freedom here since blackness meant slavery.

An article by a black writer in an 1860 edition of the Liberator explained how the Irish ultimately attained their objectives: "Fifteen or twenty years ago, a Catholic priest in Philadelphia said to the Irish people in that city, 'You are all poor, and chiefly laborers, the blacks are poor laborers; many of the native whites are laborers; now, if you wish to succeed, you must do everything that they do, no matter how degrading, and do it for less than they can afford to do it for.' The Irish adopted this plan; they lived on less than the Americans could live upon, and worked for less, and the result is, that nearly all the menial employments are monopolized by the Irish, who now get as good prices as anybody. There were other avenues open to American white men, and though they have suffered much, the chief support of the Irish has come from the places from which we have been crowded."

Once the Irish secured themselves in those jobs, they made sure blacks were kept out. They realized that as long as they continued to work alongside blacks, they would be considered no different. Later, as Irish became prominent in the labor movement, African Americans were excluded from participation. In fact, one of the primary themes of How the Irish Became White is the way in which left labor historians, such as the highly acclaimed Herbert Gutman, have not paid sufficient attention to the problem of race in the development of the labor movement.

And so, we have the tragic story of how one oppressed "race," Irish Catholics, learned how to collaborate in the oppression of another "race," Africans in America, in order to secure their place in the white republic. Becoming white meant losing their greenness, i.e., their Irish cultural heritage and the legacy of oppression and discrimination back home.”

Art McDonald, Ph.D., “How the Irish Became White”​

Let's cut to the chase you are born the color you are born with. What can't you understand about that? There is no choice in the matter.

Let's cut to the chase, Irish and other white ethnic groups chose to deny other of opportunity because of the color they were born with. And today they still do.

What a wicked victim you are, not. If you want do anything about it stop voting for Democrats because you are nothing but a plaything for them.

Don't try that victim shit with me. Face the truth and grow as a human being.

You play the victim card again, again, again, again....

You white Irish racists are the ones playing the victim card. I'm playing

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card.

Black racists can't play? What are you doing besides what have been told to do?

 

[Lesh]

pretty much. Poor people in other countries pick food out of the garbage. Here poor people have flatscreens and smart phones

But you don't do any of that do ya

 

[Mr Natural]

pretty much. Poor people in other countries pick food out of the garbage. Here poor people have flatscreens and smart phones

Proof positive that Johnson’s War on Poverty was a smashing success!

 

[IM2]

Slavery was institutionalized in the Colonies by the English, the Spanish and every other European country for 200 hundred years. The Confederacy only existed for about 4 years. The last Yankee state to abolish slavery was New Jersey about ten years before the Civil War. The Irish immigrants in the early 1860's were snatched up almost before they left the ship to be used as cannon fodder in the Civil War by the hypocrite North.

So are you saying that the Irish who volunteered to come to America suffered worse than the black folks who were brought to this country in chains.

Show me an Irishman who had his children sold off or was whipped

AOH Florida State Board is under construction

Friendship, Unity, and Christian Charity from the Sunshine State

www.aohflorida.org

100s Of Thousands Of Irish Slaves Were Brought To The New World By England

rense.com

The Forgotten History Of The Irish Sold Into Slavery

"What captivity has been to the Jews, exile has been to the Irish. For us, the romance of our native

knowledgenuts.com

Read the book White Cargo, tragic

People forget every race has been involved in buying and selling slaves. Again, holding present day people responsible for the past makes no sense. It is a tool to divide people.

White Cargo is fake news and there is the matter of the 158 years since slavery ended that whites like you seem unable to face.

white people bought the slaves from other blacks....so buying slaves actually helped the african economy a great deal

Well that's not exactly the case.

Plus the issue goes way past slavery

ALL RISE!

This Afternoon Lesson is a repeat one:

How 400 thousand Africans turned into 4 million black American slaves

The major problem with the excuses is that America had every chance not to implement slavery. We are told how the so-called founders of this country created the way to end slavery when they wrote the constitution. Many will cite the fact they made the importation of slaves illegal by 1808 as evidence. But refusing to stop importing slaves did not end the slaving business in the United States. What it produced was an original American industry-slave breeding.

"During the fifty-three years from the prohibition of the African slave trade by federal law in 1808 to the debacle of the Confederate States of America in 1861, the Southern economy depended on the functioning of a slave-breeding industry, of which Virginia was the number-one supplier."

Ned & Constance Sublette, The American Slave Coast: A History of the Slave-Breeding Industry​

You see, if America had continued to import slaves, it would have diluted the market thereby driving down the costs of slaves. Slave sellers could not have this. So instead of the truth, we are told that “our nearer to God than thee” founders in all their benevolent glory, looked towards a future whereby slavery would be no more. According to some, the so-called founders had a dream whereby little black boys and little black girls would no longer be enslaved because of the color of their skin. This is the story we are supposed to believe. However, reality does not show that.

“In fact, most American slaves were not kidnapped on another continent. Though over 12.7 million Africans were forced onto ships to the Western hemisphere, estimates only have 400,000-500,000 landing in present-day America. How then to account for the four million black slaves who were tilling fields in 1860? “The South,” the Sublettes write, “did not only produce tobacco, rice, sugar, and cotton as commodities for sale; it produced people.” Slavers called slave-breeding “natural increase,” but there was nothing natural about producing slaves; it took scientific management. Thomas Jefferson bragged to George Washington that the birth of black children was increasing Virginia’s capital stock by four percent annually.”

Ned & Constance Sublette, The American Slave Coast: A History of the Slave-Breeding Industry​

To be blunt, America had slave breeding “factories” where slaves were forced to breed. I call them factories but in most cases they are described as farms. These “farms” generally had at least a 2:1 female to male ratio. In some states, slave production was the number 1 industry. Virginia led the nation in slave production and PRESIDENT Thomas Jefferson was one of the main producers. The slave breeding industry has been hidden and left out of the annals of American history. This was done on purpose.

After reading how this was done it becomes very easy to see why. There are just some wrongs that cannot be excused by the belief that holding past generations to modern standards is wrong. Basically, the slave breeding industry manufactured human beings to be sold into labor.

According to the Sublettes, 400 to 500,000 slaves landed on the shores of what is now America. By 1860 there were 4 million slaves living here. The importation of slaves was made illegal in 1808. So from 1808 until 1860 the number of slaves increased by at least 1,000 percent. If we allow for the Africans selling each other, Africans would be responsible for between 400 to 500 thousand slaves. What about the 3.5 million additional slaves? Africans did not create them. Whites did this through forced human breeding for business and for pleasure. “Africans sold each other into slavery”, says the racist.

Here endeth the lesson.

Ned & Constance Sublette, The American Slave Coast: A History of the Slave-Breeding Industry, Chicago, Lawrence Hill Books, 2016, pg.1

Ibid.

Ned & Constance Sublette, The American Slave Coast: A History of the Slave-Breeding Industry, Chicago, Lawrence Hill Books, 2016, pg. 84

William Spivey, The Truth About American Slave Breeding Farms, June 9, 2019,

Rashid Booker, Slave Breeding Farms of "Africans in North America", Slave Breeding Farms of "Africans in North America"

Born in Slavery: Slave Narratives from the Federal Writers' Project, 1936 to 1938, Library of Congress, Articles and Essays | Born in Slavery: Slave Narratives from the Federal Writers' Project, 1936-1938 | Digital Collections | Library of Congress

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Elizabeth Keckley, Behind the Scenes: Or, Thirty Years a Slave, and Four Years in the White House, 1868, New York: G. W. Carleton & Co., Publishers, 1868., pp. 38-39, Keckley, Elizabeth, ca. 1818-1907. "Behind the Scenes, or, Thirty years a Slave and Four Years in the White House",

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America’s slaves breeding farms: what history books never told you, February 26, 2020, https://africhroyale.com/americas-slaves-breeding-farms-what-history-books-never-told-you/

Elizabeth Ofosuah Johnson, 5 horrifying ways enslaved African men were sexually exploited and abused by their white masters, October 11, 2018, 5 horrifying ways enslaved African men were sexually exploited and abused by their white masters - Page 3 of 6 - Face2Face Africa.

Isaac Somto, Buck Breaking, How African Male Slaves Were Raped, July 27, 2020, Buck Breaking, How African Male Slaves Were Raped | Vocal Africa

Jason Kottke, A History of the Slave-Breeding Industry in the United States, Feb 02, 2016, A History of the Slave-Breeding Industry in the United States

Edward E. Baptist and Louis Hyman, American Finance Grew on the Back of Slaves, Chicago Sun-Times.com March 7, 2014, derived from: American Finance Grew on the Back of Slaves

 

[Rocko]

pretty much. Poor people in other countries pick food out of the garbage. Here poor people have flatscreens and smart phones

Proof positive that Johnson’s War on Poverty was a smashing success!

I’m a believer in the free market, but I’m also not a dick. I believe in safety nets

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Slavery was institutionalized in the Colonies by the English, the Spanish and every other European country for 200 hundred years. The Confederacy only existed for about 4 years. The last Yankee state to abolish slavery was New Jersey about ten years before the Civil War. The Irish immigrants in the early 1860's were snatched up almost before they left the ship to be used as cannon fodder in the Civil War by the hypocrite North.

So are you saying that the Irish who volunteered to come to America suffered worse than the black folks who were brought to this country in chains.

Yes. The Irishman who was sick or injured was left to starve or live on whatever charity was available. He was disposable, a slave was valuable to his owner and would never be left to starve if injured. Frame it any way you want, voluntary immigrants were disposable, expensive slaves were not.

How many Irish were beaten, tortured, whipped, chained, raped, children taken away from them? I could go on but what would be the use, only a fool believes that a man brought here under his free will had it worse than a man who was brought here in chains.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Fuk the Irish

A bunch of drunks

Racist.

 

[Batcat]

Time for Reparations to the Irish

They'll just use the money to buy more booze.

Sone will argue that reparations for the blacks will just buy drugs.

 

[Lastamender]

Slavery was institutionalized in the Colonies by the English, the Spanish and every other European country for 200 hundred years. The Confederacy only existed for about 4 years. The last Yankee state to abolish slavery was New Jersey about ten years before the Civil War. The Irish immigrants in the early 1860's were snatched up almost before they left the ship to be used as cannon fodder in the Civil War by the hypocrite North.

So are you saying that the Irish who volunteered to come to America suffered worse than the black folks who were brought to this country in chains.

Yes. The Irishman who was sick or injured was left to starve or live on whatever charity was available. He was disposable, a slave was valuable to his owner and would never be left to starve if injured. Frame it any way you want, voluntary immigrants were disposable, expensive slaves were not.

How many Irish were beaten, tortured, whipped, chained, raped, children taken away from them? I could go on but what would be the use, only a fool believes that a man brought here under his free will had it worse than a man who was brought here in chains.

I posted three articles that will give you an idea. Try reading them.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Time for Reparations to the Irish

They'll just use the money to buy more booze.

You got a problem with that?

Do you believe that black folks in America are overdue reparations?

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Time for Reparations to the Irish

They'll just use the money to buy more booze.

Sone will argue that reparations for the blacks will just buy drugs.

Do Irish folks do drugs?

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Slavery was institutionalized in the Colonies by the English, the Spanish and every other European country for 200 hundred years. The Confederacy only existed for about 4 years. The last Yankee state to abolish slavery was New Jersey about ten years before the Civil War. The Irish immigrants in the early 1860's were snatched up almost before they left the ship to be used as cannon fodder in the Civil War by the hypocrite North.

So are you saying that the Irish who volunteered to come to America suffered worse than the black folks who were brought to this country in chains.

Yes. The Irishman who was sick or injured was left to starve or live on whatever charity was available. He was disposable, a slave was valuable to his owner and would never be left to starve if injured. Frame it any way you want, voluntary immigrants were disposable, expensive slaves were not.

How many Irish were beaten, tortured, whipped, chained, raped, children taken away from them? I could go on but what would be the use, only a fool believes that a man brought here under his free will had it worse than a man who was brought here in chains.

I posted three articles that will give you an idea. Try reading them.

I read your articles, so I ask you again did a man who came here voluntarily have it worse than a more who was forced to come here in chains?

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Slavery was institutionalized in the Colonies by the English, the Spanish and every other European country for 200 hundred years. The Confederacy only existed for about 4 years. The last Yankee state to abolish slavery was New Jersey about ten years before the Civil War. The Irish immigrants in the early 1860's were snatched up almost before they left the ship to be used as cannon fodder in the Civil War by the hypocrite North.

So are you saying that the Irish who volunteered to come to America suffered worse than the black folks who were brought to this country in chains.

Show me an Irishman who had his children sold off or was whipped

AOH Florida State Board is under construction

Friendship, Unity, and Christian Charity from the Sunshine State

www.aohflorida.org

100s Of Thousands Of Irish Slaves Were Brought To The New World By England

rense.com

The Forgotten History Of The Irish Sold Into Slavery

"What captivity has been to the Jews, exile has been to the Irish. For us, the romance of our native

knowledgenuts.com

Read the book White Cargo, tragic

People forget every race has been involved in buying and selling slaves. Again, holding present day people responsible for the past makes no sense. It is a tool to divide people.

The Irish worked through it, some others not so much

No, the Irish were white and benefitted from being white.

Yeah, White Privilege: work or starve.

Work or starve is the choice we all have now.

The Irish just like every other white ethnic group in this country, chose to unite around skin color and deny rights to those who were not white.

You are an idiot. Show me anyone in the USA that is starving. It just doesn't happen, even the homeless don't starve.

pretty much. Poor people in other countries pick food out of the garbage. Here poor people have flatscreens and smart phones

How many poor people's homes have you been in?

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Slavery was institutionalized in the Colonies by the English, the Spanish and every other European country for 200 hundred years. The Confederacy only existed for about 4 years. The last Yankee state to abolish slavery was New Jersey about ten years before the Civil War. The Irish immigrants in the early 1860's were snatched up almost before they left the ship to be used as cannon fodder in the Civil War by the hypocrite North.

So are you saying that the Irish who volunteered to come to America suffered worse than the black folks who were brought to this country in chains.

Show me an Irishman who had his children sold off or was whipped

AOH Florida State Board is under construction

Friendship, Unity, and Christian Charity from the Sunshine State

www.aohflorida.org

100s Of Thousands Of Irish Slaves Were Brought To The New World By England

rense.com

The Forgotten History Of The Irish Sold Into Slavery

"What captivity has been to the Jews, exile has been to the Irish. For us, the romance of our native

knowledgenuts.com

Read the book White Cargo, tragic

People forget every race has been involved in buying and selling slaves. Again, holding present day people responsible for the past makes no sense. It is a tool to divide people.

The Irish worked through it, some others not so much

No, the Irish were white and benefitted from being white.

Was being white their choice somehow? Did you chose to be Black?

Yes in fact they made that choice.

“In the early years of immigration the poor Irish and blacks were thrown together, very much part of the same class competing for the same jobs. In the census of 1850, the term mulatto appears for the first time due primarily to inter-marriage between Irish and African Americans. The Irish were often referred to as Negroes turned inside out and Negroes as smoked Irish. A famous quip of the time attributed to a black man went something like this: "My master is a great tyrant, he treats me like a common Irishman." Free blacks and Irish were viewed by the Nativists as related, somehow similar, performing the same tasks in society. It was felt that if amalgamation between the races was to happen, it would happen between Irish and blacks. But, ultimately, the Irish made the decision to embrace whiteness, thus becoming part of the system which dominated and oppressed blacks. Although it contradicted their experience back home, it meant freedom here since blackness meant slavery.

An article by a black writer in an 1860 edition of the Liberator explained how the Irish ultimately attained their objectives: "Fifteen or twenty years ago, a Catholic priest in Philadelphia said to the Irish people in that city, 'You are all poor, and chiefly laborers, the blacks are poor laborers; many of the native whites are laborers; now, if you wish to succeed, you must do everything that they do, no matter how degrading, and do it for less than they can afford to do it for.' The Irish adopted this plan; they lived on less than the Americans could live upon, and worked for less, and the result is, that nearly all the menial employments are monopolized by the Irish, who now get as good prices as anybody. There were other avenues open to American white men, and though they have suffered much, the chief support of the Irish has come from the places from which we have been crowded."

Once the Irish secured themselves in those jobs, they made sure blacks were kept out. They realized that as long as they continued to work alongside blacks, they would be considered no different. Later, as Irish became prominent in the labor movement, African Americans were excluded from participation. In fact, one of the primary themes of How the Irish Became White is the way in which left labor historians, such as the highly acclaimed Herbert Gutman, have not paid sufficient attention to the problem of race in the development of the labor movement.

And so, we have the tragic story of how one oppressed "race," Irish Catholics, learned how to collaborate in the oppression of another "race," Africans in America, in order to secure their place in the white republic. Becoming white meant losing their greenness, i.e., their Irish cultural heritage and the legacy of oppression and discrimination back home.”

Art McDonald, Ph.D., “How the Irish Became White”​

Let's cut to the chase you are born the color you are born with. What can't you understand about that? There is no choice in the matter.

Let's cut to the chase, Irish and other white ethnic groups chose to deny other of opportunity because of the color they were born with. And today they still do.

What a wicked victim you are, not. If you want do anything about it stop voting for Democrats because you are nothing but a plaything for them.

Don't try that victim shit with me. Face the truth and grow as a human being.

You play the victim card again, again, again, again....

So black folks demanding reparations is playing the victim card, but the Irish demanding reparations is righting a wrong. Smfh.

 

[Rocko]

Time for Reparations to the Irish

They'll just use the money to buy more booze.

You got a problem with that?

Do you believe that black folks in America are overdue reparations?

why should anyone be compensated for what their ancestors went through?

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Slavery was institutionalized in the Colonies by the English, the Spanish and every other European country for 200 hundred years. The Confederacy only existed for about 4 years. The last Yankee state to abolish slavery was New Jersey about ten years before the Civil War. The Irish immigrants in the early 1860's were snatched up almost before they left the ship to be used as cannon fodder in the Civil War by the hypocrite North.

So are you saying that the Irish who volunteered to come to America suffered worse than the black folks who were brought to this country in chains.

Yes. The Irishman who was sick or injured was left to starve or live on whatever charity was available. He was disposable, a slave was valuable to his owner and would never be left to starve if injured. Frame it any way you want, voluntary immigrants were disposable, expensive slaves were not.

Wrong. The simple fact the voluntarily came herr proves your opinion is wrong.

The Irish came here because the Brits were starving them at home. Being free and possibly starving here was better than being dominated and certainly starving in Ireland. To put it simply it was better here than there. That's why they paid to come here and made damn sure their descendants had a better life than at home.

Doesn't change the fact that they CHOSE to come here, as compared to someone who was forced to come here in chains. What part of that don't you understand?

 

[Lastamender]

Slavery was institutionalized in the Colonies by the English, the Spanish and every other European country for 200 hundred years. The Confederacy only existed for about 4 years. The last Yankee state to abolish slavery was New Jersey about ten years before the Civil War. The Irish immigrants in the early 1860's were snatched up almost before they left the ship to be used as cannon fodder in the Civil War by the hypocrite North.

So are you saying that the Irish who volunteered to come to America suffered worse than the black folks who were brought to this country in chains.

Yes. The Irishman who was sick or injured was left to starve or live on whatever charity was available. He was disposable, a slave was valuable to his owner and would never be left to starve if injured. Frame it any way you want, voluntary immigrants were disposable, expensive slaves were not.

How many Irish were beaten, tortured, whipped, chained, raped, children taken away from them? I could go on but what would be the use, only a fool believes that a man brought here under his free will had it worse than a man who was brought here in chains.

I posted three articles that will give you an idea. Try reading them.

I read your articles, so I ask you again did a man who came here voluntarily have it worse than a more who was forced to come here in chains?

That does not apply when some Irish were slaves. That means they went where they were told. A lot did not end up in the US.

 

[Rocko]

Slavery was institutionalized in the Colonies by the English, the Spanish and every other European country for 200 hundred years. The Confederacy only existed for about 4 years. The last Yankee state to abolish slavery was New Jersey about ten years before the Civil War. The Irish immigrants in the early 1860's were snatched up almost before they left the ship to be used as cannon fodder in the Civil War by the hypocrite North.

So are you saying that the Irish who volunteered to come to America suffered worse than the black folks who were brought to this country in chains.

Show me an Irishman who had his children sold off or was whipped

AOH Florida State Board is under construction

Friendship, Unity, and Christian Charity from the Sunshine State

www.aohflorida.org

100s Of Thousands Of Irish Slaves Were Brought To The New World By England

rense.com

The Forgotten History Of The Irish Sold Into Slavery

"What captivity has been to the Jews, exile has been to the Irish. For us, the romance of our native

knowledgenuts.com

Read the book White Cargo, tragic

People forget every race has been involved in buying and selling slaves. Again, holding present day people responsible for the past makes no sense. It is a tool to divide people.

The Irish worked through it, some others not so much

No, the Irish were white and benefitted from being white.

Yeah, White Privilege: work or starve.

Work or starve is the choice we all have now.

The Irish just like every other white ethnic group in this country, chose to unite around skin color and deny rights to those who were not white.

You are an idiot. Show me anyone in the USA that is starving. It just doesn't happen, even the homeless don't starve.

pretty much. Poor people in other countries pick food out of the garbage. Here poor people have flatscreens and smart phones

How many poor people's homes have you been in?

growing up quiet a few. As an adult never. Is there a point to the question?

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Time for Reparations to the Irish

They'll just use the money to buy more booze.

You got a problem with that?

Do you believe that black folks in America are overdue reparations?

why should anyone be compensated for what their ancestors went through?

So should black folks who suffered through Jim Crow segregation be compensated, since many of us are still alive today.

 

[Lastamender]

Time for Reparations to the Irish

They'll just use the money to buy more booze.

You got a problem with that?

Do you believe that black folks in America are overdue reparations?

why should anyone be compensated for what their ancestors went through?

Bingo.