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I recall them claiming (for the apararchik liberal MSM to share with the people) that he was a threat tonight”our democracy.”

They were wrong even at that.

He isn’t the threat. He is the hope.

They are the threat.

When people say things like "is a threat to our democracy," they are not denying we are a republic.

Some people hear "socialist republic" when the term, however lazy "democratic republic" is used. People have been primed to hear such nonsense. I wonder if we'd have a Frank Luntz help out with this, whether we could prove some things true or false.

I found out (in Vanity Fair), that Frank Luntz was very close friends with Scott Minerd of Guggenheim Partners. The Venice/Santa Monica/Brentwood connection. I can't ever see a hater like Mark Levin being close friends with some rational. radical, liberal type like Scott.
 
Now that is a post I can agree with you. The system the founding fathers based this country on is largely based on the Roman Republic. It is why so many of our political terms are Latin based: Senate, Veto, etc. Separation of powers are also based on the Roman Republic.

Representative democracy is not a full democracy but one based on rules regarding the election of representatives to run the government.

I think you just have an issue with the word “democracy” in the term “Representative democracy.”
Why do people say we are a republic not a democracy?


Although these forms of government are often confused, they are quite different. The main difference between a republic and a democracy is the charter or constitution that limits power in a republic, often to protect the individual's rights against the desires of the majority.
 
I am not offended by the word “republic.” Far from it. My only issue is debating the type of republic we are. I think we may be talking past each other. We are a Republic based upon a constitution which enshrines the principles of representative democracy. That is all. I don’t how that statement is controversial.
We don’t have a representative “democracy.”

Our form of government is still a Constitutional republic.
 
Why do people say we are a republic not a democracy?


Although these forms of government are often confused, they are quite different. The main difference between a republic and a democracy is the charter or constitution that limits power in a republic, often to protect the individual's rights against the desires of the majority.
I think people use the word democracy as shorthand for “representative democracy.” We are not and never were a full democracy.
 
When people say things like "is a threat to our democracy," they are not denying we are a republic.

Some people hear "socialist republic" when the term, however lazy "democratic republic" is used. People have been primed to hear such nonsense. I wonder if we'd have a Frank Luntz help out with this, whether we could prove some things true or false.

I found out (in Vanity Fair), that Frank Luntz was very close friends with Scott Minerd of Guggenheim Partners. The Venice/Santa Monica/Brentwood connection. I can't ever see a hater like Mark Levin being close friends with some rational. radical, liberal type like Scott.
When they say silly shit like “threat to our democracy,” they ARE claiming that we have a democratic form of government.

We don’t.
 
We don’t have a representative “democracy.”

Our form of government is still a Constitutional republic.
The Constitution sets out the principles of how we elect our representatives. If we can vote, we have a form of democracy.
 
Your little, petty, silly games would be merely amusing if they did not feed int a long time battle within the nation seeking to divide Americans against each other, in order to make ideological and political gains that aim at seeking control of the American public, by keeping them at each other's throats over such silly issues.
Democrats are that party. I can prove it easily. You don't even have to go super far back. FDR really cranked up the pressure to force Americans to say Democracy. What was the name of his party?
Really? :auiqs.jpg:

Have you no sense of reality? One phrase/Two words "Executive Orders"
 
A republic, based on the Latin phrase res publica ('public affair' or 'people's affair'), is a state in which political power rests with the public (people) through their representatives—in contrast to a monarchy.[1][2] Although a republic is most often a single sovereign state, subnational state entities that have governments that are republican in nature may be referred to as republics.
Only correct if it was an Absolute Monarchy and not a Constitutional Monarchy. People electing representatives is called Representative Democracy.
 
I am not offended by the word “republic.” Far from it. My only issue is debating the type of republic we are. I think we may be talking past each other. We are a Republic based upon a constitution which enshrines the principles of representative democracy. That is all. I don’t how that statement is controversial.
Republic or Democracy?

A distinction with a difference to the American Revolution.

People often use the term “democracy” when referring to the United States. The distinction between a republic, which is technically what we are, and a democracy seems lost on those who intermingle the terms as if they were synonyms. If you note that we are not a democracy, but a republic, you risk being mocked as strict constructionists overly wedded to technical definitions and unwilling to acknowledge the importance of popular sovereignty and the will of the people in our system.

This is unfortunate, as the question of whether we are a democracy or a republic is an important one, complex, and reliant on clear definitions of words and their use. Strictly speaking, the United States is a representative Republic, not a democracy. The distinction has a difference. It greatly influenced the American Revolution, and arguably saved the future Republic from ruin in its darkest days.

First, some definitions. Merriam-Webster (MW) defines democracy, a noun, as “a government by the people” characterized by “rule of the majority,” and as “a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections.”[1] This, of course, does a pretty good job of describing what most of us believe our government is. We the People are sovereign, and we exercise that power through elections. So far so good.

As for “republic” the definition is similar, but with several important additional elements. Republic is also a noun, meaning (according to MW), “a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president,” and “a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law.”[2]

From these definitions it is clear why there might be some confusion. A representative republic uses “democratic means” to manifest the consent of the governed. We vote for representatives, who vote on measures. Voting is democracy in action, but that does not make the United States a democracy. The measures that our representatives vote on are constrained by law and the Constitution. We do not have pure democracy or “rule by the majority” because we have constitutionally protected rights that cannot be voted away, operate under rule of law, and have, till recently, limited government with limited powers. We also have, however, an expanded voting population that is not limited by aristocracy, wealth, property ownership, or gender. Any citizen, over 18 years of age, can vote. One could say, therefore, that the United States is a democratic representative Republic.

While some might wish to believe so, the founders did not invent the concept of consent of the governed, nor was America the first democracy or republic. Discussion of such concepts had been going on for centuries and republics existed prior to the American Revolution. What the American founders did do was expand the definition of a republic so that it gave more power to the popular will of the people. They were merging, more completely, the idea of a law-based government with the concept of consent of the governed. While in retrospect we see their efforts as woefully incomplete, for the time it was a revolutionary step towards popular sovereignty. Many doubted such an expansion of representation could work over such a large population or territory.

The original text of the United States Constitution never mentions the word democracy, and only mentions republic as a form of government once in Article IV, Section 4 (“The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government…”). Interestingly, that clause refers to the states, and not the federal government itself. Throughout the text the founders refer to the United States as the “union” or as the “United States” but never a republic or a democracy. The Declaration of Independence does not use either term at all.

That said, the structure laid down in the Constitution contains the elements that MW described, including a “chief of state,” and that power lies with a body of “elected officers and representatives” who vote on the laws that govern the nation. All these officials govern according to law.

That is a Republic, no doubt.

 
The Constitution sets out the principles of how we elect our representatives. If we vote, we have a form of democracy.
Nope. Voting for a representative isn’t the same as voting for any law they may collectively enact.

As I correctly said before, we make very limited use of a democratic vote for the representatives in our republic.
 
Only correct if it was an Absolute Monarchy and not a Constitutional Monarchy. People electing representatives is called Representative Democracy.
No. It’s not. When the people elect representatives of under a Constitution, it is called a Constitutional republic.
 
Really? :auiqs.jpg:

Have you no sense of reality? One phrase/Two words "Executive Orders"
So now we vote on Executive orders. Gosh that is news to me.

Here is another set of reasons we are a Republic

Supreme Court
Executive authority
Legislative authority
We are cut out of all of that.
 
Really? :auiqs.jpg:

Have you no sense of reality? One phrase/Two words "Executive Orders"
“Executive orders” (properly understood, which you don’t) is merely a manner for the Executive Branch to manage itself and administer actual laws.
 
Nope. Voting for a representative isn’t the same as voting for any law they may collectively enact.

As I correctly said before, we make very limited use of a democratic vote for the representatives in our republic.
That is why we are a representative democracy. We elect representatives to make decisions for us on the local, state and federal level. It is all under the aegis of our Constitutional Republic.

Gotta run. Nice discussing this with all of you.
 
No. It sure as hell is not.

We do make limited use of “democracy” to select our political officials.

But beyond that, we are (and were intended to be) a Constitutional republic.

Retarded Horses is simply reiterating the ignorant beliefs he was told to believe.
Dear Constitutional Expert, what are you missing, what are you leaving out?

It was an impossible task. When the delegates to the Constitutional Convention assembled in Philadelphia in the summer of 1787, they saw political perils everywhere. A nation stretched across a continent risked disintegration. A democratic government, they feared, might dissolve into anarchy. A republican system, conversely, invited an aristocracy to rise. If anyone asks you to design a government, run away.

The United States was neither founded as a pure republic nor as a pure democracy. Rather, the Framers of the Constitution believed that a mixed government, containing both republican and democratic features, would be the most resilient system. While they agreed on this, they did not agree on just how democratic the nation should be. This was deeply controversial during the revolutionary era. It remains so today.
- Was the United States Founded as a Republic or a Democracy?
 
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