This quote from a Reagan appointed judge perfectly encapsulates trump's first two 1/2 weeks.

He's a senile POS and will be overruled. Next.

You are a senile old man. He is clearly smarter than you. He hit the head on the nail. The plain english text of the 14th Amendment confirms the historical interpretation. You don't have to be a lawyer to understand this. All you have to do is know how to read. That is beyond the scope of MAGA.

The author of the birthright citizenship clause confirmed that birthright citizenship applied to non-citizens.

Mr. HOWARD: This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States.

Birthright citizenship does apply to non-citizens and the legislative record confirms this interpretation. This judge is on the ball.

 
No they don't or we couldn't arrest them. Like how we can't arrest a diplomat.
You need to understand word usage and context when the 14th was written.
Many people today have distorted views because they are ignorant of the past and the context-mindset that applied back then.
 
You need to understand word usage and context when the 14th was written.
Many people today have distorted views because they are ignorant of the past and the context-mindset that applied back then.

People born here have been citizens historically for decades.
 
You are a senile old man. He is clearly smarter than you. He hit the head on the nail. The plain english text of the 14th Amendment confirms the historical interpretation. You don't have to be a lawyer to understand this. All you have to do is know how to read. That is beyond the scope of MAGA.

The author of the birthright citizenship clause confirmed that birthright citizenship applied to non-citizens.

Mr. HOWARD: This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States.

Birthright citizenship does apply to non-citizens and the legislative record confirms this interpretation. This judge is on the ball.

You need to learn how to read!

Your quote shows three classes of people who do not get "birthright citizenship";
1. foreigners,
2. aliens,
3. who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited ....
 
Motivated by racism, bigotry, and hate, Trump’s EO is not only un-Constitutional, it’s an attack on the rule of law and settled, accepted precedent.
Like Roe? You folks have been using words you don't really understand and will cry like babies when the Supreme Court slaps your un-American views down.
 
Like Roe? You folks have been using words you don't really understand and will cry like babies when the Supreme Court slaps your un-American views down.

Trump tried this with Dreamers and this very same court knocked him down.
 

Judge slams Trump while extending block on birthright citizenship order


A federal judge in Seattle has accused President Donald Trump of brazenly defying the law by seeking to end birthright citizenship in the United States.

U.S. District Judge John Coughenour said during a hearing Thursday that Trump’s executive order is flagrantly unconstitutional, and he extended a temporary hold on the policy.

The executive order is now subject to two nationwide injunctions issued by separate judges on consecutive days. The injunctions keep the policy on ice while legal challenges proceed.

Coughenour, an appointee of President Ronald Reagan, let loose on Trump for his dismissive approach toward legal constraints.

“It has become ever more apparent that to our president, the rule of law is but an impediment to his policy goals. The rule of law is, according to him, something to navigate around or simply ignore, whether that be for political or personal gain,” the judge said. “Nevertheless, in this courtroom and under my watch, the rule of law is a bright beacon which I intend to follow.”


It's good to see this coming from a conservative judge. It tells that while congressional Repubs are too afraid to speak out about the initiation of autocratic rule there are some rank and file members of the party who are not.

I was heartened by his words since they indicate Dem's are not the only ones who see what is happening. If the shocking lawlessness and abuses of power continue I think we'll be hearing from more Repubs like Judge Coughenour.
well, he needs to site the law that he claims trump omitted.
 
Trump tried this with Dreamers and this very same court knocked him down.
Nope, the Dreamer issue was bogged down in technical minutiae not Constitutionality. That's probably heading back strictly on Constitutional grounds soon, as the 5th Circuit ruled DACA unconstitutional AGAIN.
 
Nope, the Dreamer issue was bogged down in technical minutiae not Constitutionality. That's probably heading back strictly on Constitutional grounds soon, as the 5th Circuit ruled DACA unconstitutional AGAIN.

Technical......like actions Trump tried to take he couldn't.

The ruling came in 2017. Trump wasn't interested in doing things correctly.
 
Like Roe? You folks have been using words you don't really understand and will cry like babies when the Supreme Court slaps your un-American views down.
The Constitution is unAmerican?
 
Read the case.
I don't see any law that confirms his decision. So I'm asking you which one? you see, Trump can because of this one little phrase in the amendment

"Subject to the jurisdiction thereof"
 
I don't see any law that confirms his decision. So I'm asking you which one? you see, Trump can because of this one little phrase in the amendment

"Subject to the jurisdiction thereof"

Nothing to do with the Dreamer decision but you are still wrong.
 
Nothing to do with the Dreamer decision but you are still wrong.
Dreamers wasn't what my posts were about. Go back to your original post and let's move on.
 
Dreamers wasn't what my posts were about. Go back to your original post and let's move on.

You replied to my post about the Dreamers ruling.
 
You replied to my post about the Dreamers ruling.
You were wrong about that. You are wrong about this. Trump has already taken the necessary steps to ensure any court that respects the Constitution will have no choice but to accept his actions. Sadly liberals missed that part by having an endless hissy fit over the crack down on their child sex trafficking friends and Musk ending their sick fetishes about playing with mouse penises with USAID, ie taxpayers money.
 
You replied to my post about the Dreamers ruling.
you added that after your initial post that I posted against, so go there and tell me what law the judge cited that doesn't include the phrase

Subject to the jurisdiction

means that a legal entity, such as a court or the government of a country, has the right to exert physical control over as well as apply and enforce its laws against a person. It is a stipulation contained in the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution that defines who is eligible for citizenship.
 

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