This place is a joke - Merged with AIRING OUT GRIEVANCES

[CSM]

I agree with you to a certain extent about theories of government and economics. However, most of the arguments that take place here concern issues of independent moral judgement. Validity of a war, abortion, gay marriage, immigration, secular/non-secular worlds, etc.

If we are going to debate abortion I will give you my stance; there is absolutely no way you can tell me I am wrong. You can only give me your side of the argument.



You are right. Though on this board the demographics favor conservatives, so it is more common for conservatives to overwhelm liberals. But as you say, the reverse is possible.

Very astute. The threads that end up in name calling, etc are usually those threads that are either based on opinion, require a moral judgement or are based on hypotheticals. The demographics here do favor the consrvatives, mostly because the liberals who have come here to debate have a difficult time avoiding the traps: name calling, hypocricy, arrogance, etc. Not that the conservatives are not guilty of the same, but the preoponderance of cons here avoid that trap (mostly). We obviously have some libs here who are successful at holding their own in true debate. I, for one, am glad of that...this board would be no more than a typical chat room if it were not for some of them.

And then there are the plain old whackos from both sides of the house...fun to play with for a short time but not worth serious engagement.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Yes, clearly true statements.

I'm just generally sick of your general attack on our generalizations!

 

[CSM]

I saw the amount of conservatives here and tried to leave immediately. Unfotunately this place is run like a street-gang. In order to quit, a member must run down the street and dodge bullets being shot by other members. I decided to just stay aboard. But seriously...the dodging bullets thing should be mentioned somewhere on that front page invitation.

One way to avoid beign shot at is not to do anyting that draws fire...but what fun is that?

 

[5stringJeff]

We're talking about the assertion that some here say republican leaders are all good or dems are all this that or the other. These are just true statements.

Except that it's not true. Bill Frist is all good? Dennis Hastert is all good? George Bush is all good? I think not.

 

[Max Power]

Max Power:

You whine about the "insularity" (word of the week i guess) of this board and yet you have freedom of speech here. You speak your mind and other liberals like you get to speak theres so long as they keep the personal insults to a minimum. So all i see from you is whining because someone has decided to make a joke about liberals and you don't like it. How tolerant of you.

People have differing opinions in the world. This board is the best on the net for showing both sides of an argument without resulting to senseless name-calling, personal insults and banning by mods of opposing viewpoints. The fact that your even speaking should show you how fair this board really is. Goto DU and type in the words "conservatives are good" and watch how fast your IP is banned. But i have a feeling you find DU a more tolerable atmosphere for yourself because they have similar viewpoints and opinions as your own.

So quit your whining and grow a pair. This is real life where people dont agree but they talk about it anyway.

:rotflmao:
Real life? This is the internet, my friend.

I find it interesting, but not surprising, that you would describe me as a liberal, and claim that I would fit in at a Democratic board, despite the fact that my political ideology is neither liberal, nor is it aligned with the Democratic party.
Thank you for demonstrating another point for me, that whenever someone is in disagreement with this board, that person is often labeled a liberal, with or without reason.

 

[Max Power]

Obviously.


But why?

Why not?

 

[insein]

:rotflmao:
Real life? This is the internet, my friend.

I find it interesting, but not surprising, that you would describe me as a liberal, and claim that I would fit in at a Democratic board, despite the fact that my political ideology is neither liberal, nor is it aligned with the Democratic party.
Thank you for demonstrating another point for me, that whenever someone is in disagreement with this board, that person is often labeled a liberal, with or without reason.

Max, ive had many arguments with you. You oppose the war. You feel Bush is evil. You feel he engineered 9/11. You feel the illuminati runs this country. I think you'd fit in fine over at DU. ITs not a "Democratic Party" site. ITs a left-wing cook site that holds many of the ideals you do.

 

[Abbey Normal]

:rotflmao:
Real life? This is the internet, my friend.

I find it interesting, but not surprising, that you would describe me as a liberal, and claim that I would fit in at a Democratic board, despite the fact that my political ideology is neither liberal, nor is it aligned with the Democratic party.
Thank you for demonstrating another point for me, that whenever someone is in disagreement with this board, that person is often labeled a liberal, with or without reason.

To what political ideology do you subscribe?

 

[jillian]

Very astute. The threads that end up in name calling, etc are usually those threads that are either based on opinion, require a moral judgement or are based on hypotheticals. The demographics here do favor the consrvatives, mostly because the liberals who have come here to debate have a difficult time avoiding the traps: name calling, hypocricy, arrogance, etc. Not that the conservatives are not guilty of the same, but the preoponderance of cons here avoid that trap (mostly). We obviously have some libs here who are successful at holding their own in true debate. I, for one, am glad of that...this board would be no more than a typical chat room if it were not for some of them.

And then there are the plain old whackos from both sides of the house...fun to play with for a short time but not worth serious engagement.

Nice to think it's the "liberals" who don't avoid the traps. Truth is that unacceptable behavior on the part of a right-winger is much more tolerated, and even encouraged, by some of the other right-leaners on the board. I can think of one example, without even trying to hard, who, if he was a lib would have been run off the board for his attitude and the kinds of threads he posts.

And please note, I didn't say "all conservatives" or all "right wingers"...

 

[Max Power]

To what political ideology do you subscribe?

Libertarian would be most accurate.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Except that it's not true. Bill Frist is all good? Dennis Hastert is all good? George Bush is all good? I think not.

Yeah, nobody says that. So Min Power is just flat wrong.

 

[Said1]

Nice to think it's the "liberals" who don't avoid the traps. Truth is that unacceptable behavior on the part of a right-winger is much more tolerated, and even encouraged, by some of the other right-leaners on the board. I can think of one example, without even trying to hard, who, if he was a lib would have been run off the board for his attitude and the kinds of threads he posts.

And please note, I didn't say "all conservatives" or all "right wingers"...

Phew. I had my guns drawn for a second.

 

[The ClayTaurus]

Why not?

Non-answer.

 

[theHawk]

Seriously.

Now, there are quite a few intelligent posters here, but for the most part, this message board is a forum of insularity.

"I am fed up and tired of hearing liberals say ..."
"Vote Democrat - It Is Easier Than Working "
"You can't spell LIBERALS without LIES "

You all paint this picture, where half of all politicians are honest, truth telling, good someritans, while the other half are all liars and cheats. Half of the populous is forthright, while half are a bunch of baby killers. Then you all pat each other on the back for agreeing with each other.

It's ridiculous really. I mean, just from those quotes above, "You can't spell liberals without lies," to really assume idealogical differences (because that's all it is, erally) imply a difference in truth-telling is absurd.

So, like I originally said, this place is a joke. I can only hope that the few of you who are capable of thinking for yourselves shine through this mess.

OK, now that I am done LMAO.......


OK seriously now...

I'll admit it was a bit of a joke when I first started using the phrase "You can't spell Liberals without Lies". It just sounded funny the first time I saw it. But the more and more I learn about what the liberals and Democratic party leaders are up to and listen to their arguements, the more and more the statement rings true.

I'm certainly not going to sit here and say that all Republicans are completely trustworthy, many politicans are going to become corrupt. I do not believe that all "liberals" are liars and cheats, I just think most of them are misled and don't realize the Democrat leaders they follow are usually full of shit.
Most of my family would probably consider themselves democrats, and alot of them feel they should be democrat simply because thats how they were raised --Democrat. I remember my Grandmother was a staunch "FDR" Democrat, but she was very smart and read up on politicians. She confided in me that she voted for H.W. Bush when he ran against Clinton because she did her homework and found out what kind of person he really was. I was raised by my parents to believe that Reagan was an "idiot" and H.W. Bush was even worse.

No sir, I am not painting any picture about anyone. Liberals are the ones that use feel-good blanket statements in order to coax people into following their line of thought. I mean hey, who can argue against slogans like "we need to find jobs for the needy", or "we want blacks to have a fair opportunity in today's society". But when you examine these great ideas further, what do we find? Racist policies such as Affirmative Action, laws that put people out of jobs just because they aren't the right skin color. No sir, we do not need to paint any picture, we just shed light on the illusions that liberals paint for us and expose them for what they really are...and usually those turn out to be outright lies.

 

[Max Power]

Oh, geez, here it comes.

Max, ive had many arguments with you. You oppose the war.

That's correct.

You feel Bush is evil.

An exagerration, at best, and blatantly false, at worst.

You feel he engineered 9/11.

That's incorrect.

You feel the illuminati runs this country.

That's incorrect.

I think you'd fit in fine over at DU. ITs not a "Democratic Party" site. ITs a left-wing cook site that holds many of the ideals you do.

Again, trying to paint a very inaccurate picture of me, not based on reality.

 

[jillian]

Phew. I had my guns drawn for a second.

:rotflmao: Never!! You know I think you're cool!

Actually, from what I've seen, you lean right but are generally reasonable...you just call 'em as you see 'em.

 

[CSM]

Nice to think it's the "liberals" who don't avoid the traps. Truth is that unacceptable behavior on the part of a right-winger is much more tolerated, and even encouraged, by some of the other right-leaners on the board. I can think of one example, without even trying to hard, who, if he was a lib would have been run off the board for his attitude and the kinds of threads he posts.

And please note, I didn't say "all conservatives" or all "right wingers"...

I cannot say that I disagree with your assessment. There are some "conservatives" who post on this board whose attitude and posts overstep the bounds....

By the way, there have been conservatives who did not avoid the traps either.

 

[1549]

Very astute. The threads that end up in name calling, etc are usually those threads that are either based on opinion, require a moral judgement or are based on hypotheticals. The demographics here do favor the consrvatives, mostly because the liberals who have come here to debate have a difficult time avoiding the traps: name calling, hypocricy, arrogance, etc. Not that the conservatives are not guilty of the same, but the preoponderance of cons here avoid that trap (mostly). We obviously have some libs here who are successful at holding their own in true debate. I, for one, am glad of that...this board would be no more than a typical chat room if it were not for some of them.

And then there are the plain old whackos from both sides of the house...fun to play with for a short time but not worth serious engagement.

Very nice post, you presented a very objective veiw of things...if I could give rep points I would hand some over to you. (though it looks like you have quite a few as it is).

 

[The ClayTaurus]

I find it both amusing and fitting that this very (type of) thread only illicits and encourages the precise behavior maxpower so vocally (and charitably) detests.

 

[jillian]

I cannot say that I disagree with your assessment. There are some "conservatives" who post on this board whose attitude and posts overstep the bounds....

By the way, there have been conservatives who did not avoid the traps either.

Fair enough.