This is Why We Must Let the 1619 Project be Taught to Students

[whoisit]

The south used blacks for slaves.

Well lets face it between our evil slavers and black evil slavers who sold them to us its not like there were a lot of engineers or professionals in the tribes.
America couldn't turn them loose to fend for themselves. All they knew how to do was labor at the time.
It takes time for all humans to civilize look at the ignorant serfs who came from England,Ireland and Scandinavian nations. We also were treated bad. Although blacks were treated worse and it was because of the color of their skin. Humans are tribal and like those who they favor facts of life and nobodys fault. But their culture also had something to do with it too.
Africa wasn't exactly a thriving metropolatin nation for 5000 years because of culture. Look at America when it was discovered,not so metro either.
Look at the face of a man when told his child looks just like him,why is that? That sledom happens when the child is mixed race, especially black race has some real dominant genes.
Why is it blacks can say " black is beautiful, but whites can't say it without being racist? Imagine a white man standing in around of blacks saying " white is beautiful". We are doing better or were till they started dividing us. We are working on accepting each other in many ways hope its not too late to save our nation.

 

[Mushroom]

Apparently so when I keep reading whites here telling me how whites fought to free us from slavery.

One thing that is consistent in any thread like this you are in, is that anybody that does not agree with you is instantly a "racist white".

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I read consistently the ignorance of racists here about whites dying to free us from slavery.

That claim is classic historical revisionism.
First to Serve-1st Kansas Colored Infantry Regiment
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Captain William Mathews

During the celebration of the Emancipation Proclamation on January 1, 1863 at Fort Scott, Kansas, Captain William D. Mathews, commanding Company D of 1st Kansas Colored Volunteer Infantry Regiment, gave a speech highlighting the opportunity for blacks to fight in the Civil War (1861-1865). He declared: "Today is a day that I always thought would come …Now is our time to strike. Our own exertions and our own muscle must make us men. If we fight we shall be respected. I see that a well-licked man respects the one who thrashes him."

The 1st Kansas Colored Infantry first saw combat at the Battle of Island Mound in Missouri on October 29, 1862. In this skirmish, roughly 225 black troops drove off 500 Confederate guerillas.

Freedom was their Cause

African Americans served in the Union Army for many reasons, and it is clear that the efforts of more than 180,000 black soldiers directly contributed to Union victory.

First to Serve-1st Kansas Colored Infantry Regiment (U.S. National Park Service)

www.nps.gov

1865 =/= 1619

 

[marvin martian]

Because they did. Many died for it.

Including a republican president. The DemoKKKrats' Confederacy killed many people of all colors who fought for their country.

 

[Mushroom]

I read consistently the ignorance of racists here about whites dying to free us from slavery.

That claim is classic historical revisionism.

And should we also add in people like William Ellison Jr. (1790-1861)?

One of the richest men in South Carolina, he owned a 400 acre plantation and in addition to being one of the wealthiest men in the state was one of the largest slave owners.

A skilled cotton gin maker, his first slaves were bought in order to make and sell more gins. Then by the 1840s he bought a 60 acre plantation in order to grow his own cotton in addition to making gins. In total he owned over 80 slaves at the time of his death, and was a strong supporter of most of the "Southern States Rights" issues. Including secession, expansion of slavery into new territories, and the "Southern Cause". By the time his sons were adults they also had slaves of their own.

When the war broke out he offered the labor of most of his slaves to the Confederate Army to build defensive structures, And all of his adult sons tried to join the Confederate Army. He and then his sons invested their entire family fortune to the Cause, including buying bonds and donating money. One of his grandsons did succeed in joining the Confederate Army, serving with a South Carolina Infantry Battalion. When he died his property (including slaves) were left to his oldest surviving free children, and a special bequest of $500 was left to a slave daughter he had sold to another plantation owner.

So if you insist that this should be presented as "facts", then also the blacks that owned plantations and bred and sold slaves should be included as well.

 

[marvin martian]

One thing that is consistent in any thread like this you are in, is that anybody that does not agree with you is instantly a "racist white".

IM2 is an intellectual inferior, and that escape hatch is really all he has.

 

[Lastamender]

Truth can't be revised. Learn that. Then start posting truth. If Jim Crow was democrat why did it last 70 years with republicans and democrats in power?

"1619" is a racist fairy tale. It has no place in our schools.

 

[Stryder50]

"1619" is a racist fairy tale. It has no place in our schools.

EXACTLY!

"1619" reflects the historical ignorance of it's authors and supporters.
Slavery has been part of the human condition since the founding of first civilizations @6,000 years ago and remains in many other parts of the world to this day.

Slavery in what would become the future USA was established by the assorted European nations that set up their colonies here, especially Portugal and Spain, and was a legacy dumped upon the 13 colonies of the future USA. The fact that Article I. Section 9. of the USA Constitution outlawed importation of persons/slaves after 1808 is a case in point that our nation wasn't founded upon slavery and was working, with compromises of the times, to eventually abolish such.

 

[IM2]

One thing that is consistent in any thread like this you are in, is that anybody that does not agree with you is instantly a "racist white".

Whining about being called a racist for making racist comments is standard operating procedure at USMB.

 

[IM2]

EXACTLY!

"1619" reflects the historical ignorance of it's authors and supporters.
Slavery has been part of the human condition since the founding of first civilizations @6,000 years ago and remains in many other parts of the world to this day.

Slavery in what would become the future USA was established by the assorted European nations that set up their colonies here, especially Portugal and Spain, and was a legacy dumped upon the 13 colonies of the future USA. The fact that Article I. Section 9. of the USA Constitution outlawed importation of persons/slaves after 1808 is a case in point that our nation wasn't founded upon slavery and was working, with compromises of the times, to eventually abolish such.

LOL!

ALL RISE!

This Mornings Lesson is titled:

The 1808 Lie.

America had every chance not to implement slavery. We are told how the so-called founders of this country created the way to end slavery when they wrote the constitution. Many will cite the fact they made the importation of slaves illegal by 1808 as evidence. But refusing to stop importing slaves did not end the slaving business in the United States. What it produced was an original American industry-slave breeding.

"During the fifty-three years from the prohibition of the African slave trade by federal law in 1808 to the debacle of the Confederate States of America in 1861, the Southern economy depended on the functioning of a slave-breeding industry, of which Virginia was the number-one supplier."
Ned & Constance Sublette, The American Slave Coast: A History of the Slave-Breeding Industry

You see, if America had continued to import slaves, it would have diluted the market thereby driving down the costs of slaves. Slave sellers could not have this. So instead of the truth, we are told that “our nearer to God than thee” founders in all their benevolent glory, looked towards a future whereby slavery would be no more. According to some, the so-called founders had a dream whereby little black boys and little black girls would no longer be enslaved because of the color of their skin. This is the story we are supposed to believe. However, reality does not show that.

“In fact, most American slaves were not kidnapped on another continent. Though over 12.7 million Africans were forced onto ships to the Western hemisphere, estimates only have 400,000-500,000 landing in present-day America. How then to account for the four million black slaves who were tilling fields in 1860? “The South,” the Sublettes write, “did not only produce tobacco, rice, sugar, and cotton as commodities for sale; it produced people.” Slavers called slave-breeding “natural increase,” but there was nothing natural about producing slaves; it took scientific management. Thomas Jefferson bragged to George Washington that the birth of black children was increasing Virginia’s capital stock by four percent annually.”
Ned & Constance Sublette, The American Slave Coast: A History of the Slave-Breeding Industry

To be blunt, America had slave breeding “factories” where slaves were forced to breed. I call them factories but in most cases, they are described as farms. These “farms” generally had at least a 2:1 female to male ratio. In some states, slave production was the number 1 industry. Virginia led the nation in slave production and PRESIDENT Thomas Jefferson was one of the main producers. The slave breeding industry has been hidden and left out of the annals of American history. This was done on purpose.

After reading how this was done it becomes very easy to see why. There are just some wrongs that cannot be excused. The bottom line here is that the slave breeding industry manufactured human beings to be sold into labor.

“According to database-backed estimates by David Eltis and David Richardson, only about 389,000 kidnapped Africans were disembarked in the ports of the present-day United States, the majority of them before independence.”

“By 1860, those few hundred thousand Africans had given way to four million African Americans.”29
Ned & Constance Sublette, The American Slave Coast: A History of the Slave-Breeding Industry

According to the Sublettes, 389,000 slaves landed on the shores of what is now America. By 1860 there were 4 million slaves living here. The importation of slaves was made illegal in 1808. So from 1808 until 1860 the number of slaves increased by at least 1,000 percent. If we allow for the Africans selling each other, Africans would be responsible for between 389 thousand slaves. What about the 3.1-4 million additional slaves? Africans did not create them. This was done by forced slave breeding for business, pleasure and entertainment. The depth of this atrocity matches anything spoken about Hitler. We are talking about babies taken from their mom and sold, mulatto children murdered by jealous wives or sold away from their mothers by a husband who wanted to keep his cheating or raping a female slave a secret. If you saw the movie Mandingo, understand that such things really happened.

The ignorance of the poster is apparent. Stop lying to yourself. American economics was based in slavery. It was indeed a important issue in the founding of this country.

 

[IM2]

The ignorance displayed by most of the posters here is why the 1619 Project must be taught as part of American history.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Truth can't be revised. Learn that. Then start posting truth. If Jim Crow was democrat why did it last 70 years with republicans and democrats in power?

Of course, truth can be revised. Just listen to what comes out of AOC's mouth for example, or yours...

 

[daveman]

Whining about being called a racist for making racist comments is standard operating procedure at USMB.

Yes, you whine about being called a racist all the time.

Don't like it?

Don't be racist.

 

[daveman]

The ignorance displayed by most of the posters here is why the 1619 Project must be taught as part of American history.

Keep your propaganda to yourself.

 

[IM2]

Keep your propaganda to yourself.

Propaganda is what we were taught.

 

[Batcat]

You're right; whites didn't. It was all about $; the North wanted the South's wealth and raw materials. The South wanted their own Nation where they were in charge of their own future. Slavery was a post-war justification.

btw; the North used Blacks as cannon fodder. cool, hey!!!

Greg

The causes for the Cilil War were numerous and complicated but it looks like you are forgetting the Abolitionist Movement.

Abolitionist Movement - Definition & Famous Abolitionists | HISTORY

The abolitionist movement was the effort to end slavery, led by famous abolitionists like Frederick Douglass, Harriet Tubman, Sojourner Truth and John Brown.

www.history.com

Plus one thing that definitely fired up support for the Abolitionist Movement was the novel by Harriet Beecher Stowe, Uncle Tom’s Cabin.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Uncle-Toms-Cabin[/I]

***snip***

Uncle Tom’s Cabin was an immediate sensation and was taken up eagerly by abolitionists in the North, while, along with its author, it was vehemently denounced in the South, where reading or possessing the book became an extremely dangerous enterprise. Nonetheless, some 300,000 copies of Uncle Tom’s Cabin were sold in the United States during the year after its publication, and it also sold well in England. Stowe was enthusiastically received on a visit to England in 1853, and there she formed friendships with many leading literary figures. Uncle Tom’s Cabinwas adapted for theatre multiple times beginning in 1852; because the novel made use of the themes and techniques of theatrical melodramapopular at the time, its transition to the stage was easy. These adaptationsplayed to capacity audiences in the United States and contributed to the already significant popularity of Stowe’s novel in the North and the animosity toward it in the South. They became a staple of touring companies through the rest of the 19th century and into the 20th.

Another interesting effort by the Abolitionist Movement was the Underground Railroad. (I lived in a house a mile south of Lake Erie that was supposedly a stop on the Underground Railroad.)

The Underground Railroad

During the era of slavery, the Underground Railroad was a network of routes, places, and people that helped enslaved people in the American South escape to the North. The name “Underground Railroad” was used metaphorically, not literally. It was not an actual railroad, but it served the same purpose—it transported people long distances. It also did not run underground, but through homes, barns, churches, and businesses. The people who worked for the Underground Railroad had a passion for justice and drive to end the practice of slavery—a drive so strong that they risked their lives and jeopardized their own freedom to help enslaved people escape from bondage and keep them safe along the route.

According to some estimates, between 1810 and 1850, the Underground Railroad helped to guide one hundred thousand enslaved people to freedom. As the network grew, the railroad metaphor stuck. “Conductors” guided runaway enslaved people from place to place along the routes. The places that sheltered the runaways were referred to as “stations,” and the people who hid the enslaved people were called “station masters.” The fugitives traveling along the routes were called “passengers,” and those who had arrived at the safe houses were called “cargo.”

 

[cnm]

Why did Lincoln emancipate the slaves if that was never a goal of the war? Why bother?

Because his war effort was looking to head into deep shit.

 

[cnm]

The fact that Article I. Section 9. of the USA Constitution outlawed importation of persons/slaves after 1808 is a case in point that our nation wasn't founded upon slavery

You mean while allowing chattel slavery and forcing the return of escaped property in its founding documents?

 

[gtopa1]

The causes for the Cilil War were numerous and complicated but it looks like you are forgetting the Abolitionist Movement.

Abolitionist Movement - Definition & Famous Abolitionists | HISTORY

The abolitionist movement was the effort to end slavery, led by famous abolitionists like Frederick Douglass, Harriet Tubman, Sojourner Truth and John Brown.

www.history.com

Plus one thing that definitely fired up support for the Abolitionist Movement was the novel by Harriet Beecher Stowe, Uncle Tom’s Cabin.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Uncle-Toms-Cabin[/I]

***snip***

Uncle Tom’s Cabin was an immediate sensation and was taken up eagerly by abolitionists in the North, while, along with its author, it was vehemently denounced in the South, where reading or possessing the book became an extremely dangerous enterprise. Nonetheless, some 300,000 copies of Uncle Tom’s Cabin were sold in the United States during the year after its publication, and it also sold well in England. Stowe was enthusiastically received on a visit to England in 1853, and there she formed friendships with many leading literary figures. Uncle Tom’s Cabinwas adapted for theatre multiple times beginning in 1852; because the novel made use of the themes and techniques of theatrical melodramapopular at the time, its transition to the stage was easy. These adaptationsplayed to capacity audiences in the United States and contributed to the already significant popularity of Stowe’s novel in the North and the animosity toward it in the South. They became a staple of touring companies through the rest of the 19th century and into the 20th.

Another interesting effort by the Abolitionist Movement was the Underground Railroad. (I lived in a house a mile south of Lake Erie that was supposedly a stop on the Underground Railroad.)

The Underground Railroad

During the era of slavery, the Underground Railroad was a network of routes, places, and people that helped enslaved people in the American South escape to the North. The name “Underground Railroad” was used metaphorically, not literally. It was not an actual railroad, but it served the same purpose—it transported people long distances. It also did not run underground, but through homes, barns, churches, and businesses. The people who worked for the Underground Railroad had a passion for justice and drive to end the practice of slavery—a drive so strong that they risked their lives and jeopardized their own freedom to help enslaved people escape from bondage and keep them safe along the route.

According to some estimates, between 1810 and 1850, the Underground Railroad helped to guide one hundred thousand enslaved people to freedom. As the network grew, the railroad metaphor stuck. “Conductors” guided runaway enslaved people from place to place along the routes. The places that sheltered the runaways were referred to as “stations,” and the people who hid the enslaved people were called “station masters.” The fugitives traveling along the routes were called “passengers,” and those who had arrived at the safe houses were called “cargo.”

Yep; very complex.



I'm one of the "Bit of Column A bit of Column B" mob; I don't know which had the most sway but I am sure the North saw $ first and I think abolition of slavery became a SECONDARY, but very significant, aim. The attempts to ban slavery from New territories was also a significant factor. I am fairly sure that neither side realised what a bloody war was about to engulf them. Of course the Democrats never accepted that all people were created EQUAL; hence Jim Crow, the KKK and segregation.

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

You mean while allowing chattel slavery and forcing the return of escaped property in its founding documents?

So sayeth the Pakeha who stole his country from the Maori who in turn ate the original inhabitants.

Greg