This is why there won't be peace

[José]

Originally posted by Camp
Israel is our partner in the ME. We want them armed with American tech and weapons. We give them funds and they give the funds back to us with the purchase of weapon systems made here in the USA.

In other words...

America pays Israel to buy weapons from her.

This deal is too good to pass up.

 

[José]

And foreign aid to Egypt and the PA is really foreign aid to Israel.

It is the direct result of that country and the PA/Arafat decision to keep a cold peace with the jewish state.

 

[José]

And one last thing, Camp.

The only thing Israel gives America is giant craters in Manhattan.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

And one last thing, Camp.

The only thing Israel gives America is giant craters in Manhattan.

Explain.

 

[José]

And one last thing, Camp.

The only thing Israel gives America is giant craters in Manhattan.

Explain.

America's absolutely unnecessary and counterproductive alliance with Israel puts the country in the line of fire, Caroline.

Ralph Bodenstein​

Atta's friends in Germany described him as an intelligent man with religious beliefs who grew angry over the Western policy toward the Middle East, including the Oslo Accords and the Gulf War.

MSNBC, in its special "The Making of the Death Pilots," interviewed German friend Ralph Bodenstein who traveled, worked and talked a lot with Mohamed Atta. Bodenstein said, "He was most imbued [sic] actually about Israeli politics in the region and about U.S. protection of these Israeli politics in the region. And he was to a degree personally suffering from that."

Ralph Bodenstein Interview

 

[Camp]

And one last thing, Camp.

The only thing Israel gives America is giant craters in Manhattan.

Your shallow and knee jerk thinking prevents you from seeing the big picture

 

[Billo_Really]

Your shallow and knee jerk thinking prevents you from seeing the big picture

It's not "knee jerk thinking", KSM said during interrogation, one of the reasons he planned 9/11, was because of our unconditional support of Israel.

 

[Camp]

Your shallow and knee jerk thinking prevents you from seeing the big picture

It's not "knee jerk thinking", KSM said during interrogation, one of the reasons he planned 9/11, was because of our unconditional support of Israel.

And the other reasons were? Let's see what you really know.

 

[Hollie]

Your shallow and knee jerk thinking prevents you from seeing the big picture

It's not "knee jerk thinking", KSM said during interrogation, one of the reasons he planned 9/11, was because of our unconditional support of Israel.

So as long as we appease Islamic terrorists, and do as we're told, we will be free from attacks?

 

[José]

Your shallow and knee jerk thinking prevents you from seeing the big picture

It's not "knee jerk thinking", KSM said during interrogation, one of the reasons he planned 9/11, was because of our unconditional support of Israel.

So as long as we appease Islamic terrorists, and do as we're told, we will be free from attacks?

You don't have to be "islamic", let alone a "terrorist", to get disgusted at a state that has been murdering the natives of the land since 1947, everytime they dare even approaching the limits of the racial enclaves set up for them in their own homeland.

And America's alliance with that political excrescence is deeply immoral, obscene and depraved, regardless of one's religious beliefs or lack thereof.

 

[Camp]

It's not "knee jerk thinking", KSM said during interrogation, one of the reasons he planned 9/11, was because of our unconditional support of Israel.

So as long as we appease Islamic terrorists, and do as we're told, we will be free from attacks?

You don't have to be "islamic", let alone a "terrorist", to get disgusted at a state that has been murdering the natives of the land since 1947, everytime they dare even approaching the limits of the racial enclaves set up for them in their own homeland.

And America's alliance with that political excrescence is deeply immoral, obscene and depraved, regardless of one's religious beliefs or lack thereof.

There is not one actual fact in your rant. All you have is opinion based on rhetoric. Like I said, your thinking is shallow and knee jerk. Your last comment proves that. Attempting to explain the necessity of having a trusted allie in the ME, the place we get our energy supply that runs our economic machine, the invaluable intelligence we get from them, and the many other assets that assist us in our securtiy and defense would be a waste of time.

 

[José]

Originally posted by Camp
There is not one actual fact in your rant.

Of course there isn't.

Israel didn't assassinate a single unarmed palestinian refugee trying to return to his village between 47-51, let alone, 3000 of them... the same murderous pattern of behavior it has been reproducing for the last 65 years.

It's just the figment of the fertile imagination of Benny Morris, Ilan Pappé, Tom Segev and all the other historians specialized in the history of the jewish racial dictatorship.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record:

"Never try to debate with someone you have to educate first".

 

[MHunterB]

Originally posted by Camp
There is not one actual fact in your rant.

Of course there isn't.

Israel didn't assassinate a single unarmed palestinian refugee trying to return to his village between 47-51, let alone, 3000 of them... the same murderous pattern of behavior it has been reproducing for the last 65 years.

It's just the figment of the fertile imagination of Benny Morris, Ilan Pappé, Tom Segev and all the other historians specialized in the history of the jewish racial dictatorship.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record:

"Never try to debate with someone you have to educate first".

When you use language like you have in the post above, Jose, those words leach the credibility right out of your arguments. Never-mind who else has posted what else: that kind of exaggerated rhetoric is hardly useful, and it makes the poster look like an extremist and a bigot.

 

[José]

Originally posted by Camp
There is not one actual fact in your rant.

Of course there isn't.

Israel didn't assassinate a single unarmed palestinian refugee trying to return to his village between 47-51, let alone, 3000 of them... the same murderous pattern of behavior it has been reproducing for the last 65 years.

It's just the figment of the fertile imagination of Benny Morris, Ilan Pappé, Tom Segev and all the other historians specialized in the history of the jewish racial dictatorship.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record:

"Never try to debate with someone you have to educate first".

When you use language like you have in the post above, Jose, those words leach the credibility right out of your arguments. Never-mind who else has posted what else: that kind of exaggerated rhetoric is hardly useful, and it makes the poster look like an extremist and a bigot.

If you're referring to the expression "jewish racial dictatorship" you're 200% correct, Hunter.

Ethnocracies like Israel and South Africa are definitely not the same thing as dictatorships.

If Israel and SA under apartheid were/is dictatorships where were/are the dictators of Israel and South Africa?

Why both states held/hold periodic elections?

Ethnocratic states do share a lot of similarities with dictatorships and this is one of the reasons I created the term in the first place. The most important of them:

Both dictatorships and ethnocracies deny political and civil rights to part of the indigenous population.

In dictatorships the entire population but the ruling elite is politically disenfranchised while in ethnocracies all or part of the subjugated ethnic group is allienated from the political process being treated by the ethnocratic state as foreigners in their own homeland. (Zulus, Xhosas and Khoisans in South Africa and Palestinians living in the territories and the surrounding countries).

But hummingbirds also share similarities with vultures and no one in their right mind will say they are the same bird or call them by the same name.

So you are correct, Hunter... it's wrong to call Israel a "dictatorship" even if I add the word "racial" to it.

I ask you to be a lil tolerant because I am "the father of the child", I invented this term some 20 years ago as a reply to the infamous "beacon of democracy in the Middle East" slogan.

But you are right.... you don't fight an incorrect expression by creating another incorrect expression.

 

[Mr. H.]

So who "deserves" your tax dollars? Egypt, Pakistan? Libya? who?

That obviously is out of my realm and above my pay grade.

What I posit here is that Israel is perfectly capable of taking care of itself without US foreign aid. In any way, shape, or form.

Why is Israel so timid about cutting the financial umbilical with the U.S.?

Exactly.... Stick to something you know about, energy production, other then that you're clueless.

Do you think Israel is perfectly capable of taking care of itself without US foreign aid. In any way, shape, or form?

Or do you just like to put people down? Make ya feel big do it?

 

[Billo_Really]

So as long as we appease Islamic terrorists, and do as we're told, we will be free from attacks?

No. All we had to do, is be fair to both sides. Treat both sides equally and 9/11 might not have happened.

Or do you have issues being fair to others?

I don't have a problem supporting Israel, I just don't think we should do it unconditionally.

 

[Hossfly]

That obviously is out of my realm and above my pay grade.

What I posit here is that Israel is perfectly capable of taking care of itself without US foreign aid. In any way, shape, or form.

Why is Israel so timid about cutting the financial umbilical with the U.S.?

Exactly.... Stick to something you know about, energy production, other then that you're clueless.

Do you think Israel is perfectly capable of taking care of itself without US foreign aid. In any way, shape, or form?

Or do you just like to put people down? Make ya feel big do it?

Well, Mr. H., if Israel didn't have neighbors who wanted to destroy her, Israel certainly wouldn't need any help from the U.S. (and as a former poster, a retired Naval Intelligence Officer, once said that if we knew how much Israel helped the U.S, we wouldn't deny her anything). I once read that whatever aid we give Israel is only 3 percent of their defense budget so you can just imagine what the defense budget is. Meanwhile, have you anything to say about a special relief organization that only caters to these "Palestinians" when there are other people in much more need throughout the world?

Straightening the Dog's Tail :: Gatestone Institute

 

[docmauser1]

Israel didn't assassinate a single unarmed palestinian refugee trying to return to his village between 47-51, let alone, 3000 of them... the same murderous pattern of behavior it has been reproducing for the last 65 years.

Who made that up?

 

[docmauser1]

If you're referring to the expression "jewish racial dictatorship" you're 200% correct, Hunter. Ethnocracies like Israel and South Africa are definitely not the same thing as dictatorships. If Israel and SA under apartheid were/is dictatorships where were/are the dictators of Israel and South Africa? Why both states held/hold periodic elections? Ethnocratic states do share a lot of similarities with dictatorships and this is one of the reasons I created the term in the first place. The most important of them: Both dictatorships and ethnocracies deny political and civil rights to part of the indigenous population. In dictatorships the entire population but the ruling elite is politically disenfranchised while in ethnocracies all or part of the subjugated ethnic group is allienated from the political process being treated by the ethnocratic state as foreigners in their own homeland. (Zulus, Xhosas and Khoisans in South Africa and Palestinians living in the territories and the surrounding countries). But hummingbirds also share similarities with vultures and no one in their right mind will say they are the same bird or call them by the same name. So you are correct, Hunter... it's wrong to call Israel a "dictatorship" even if I add the word "racial" to it. I ask you to be a lil tolerant because I am "the father of the child", I invented this term some 20 years ago as a reply to the infamous "beacon of democracy in the Middle East" slogan. But you are right.... you don't fight an incorrect expression by creating another incorrect expression.

Drivel.

 

[Peterf]

Your shallow and knee jerk thinking prevents you from seeing the big picture

It's not "knee jerk thinking", KSM said during interrogation, one of the reasons he planned 9/11, was because of our unconditional support of Israel.

So as long as we appease Islamic terrorists, and do as we're told, we will be free from attacks?

Well no Hollie. You won't be like 'free' of actual 'attacks' but if you grovel to terrorists you will have a warm glow inside and be able to parade around in a smug, self-regarding manner lecturing other people, and calling them 'racists'. And Mr Obama will love you. Could anything be more wonderful?

So get appeasing! You know it makes sense!