Zone1 This is What the Government has done for Whites

[IM2]

You guys can make all the silly comments you want but you can't change documented history. So just face the fact that whites are hooked on government handouts like meth addicts are hooked on meth.

 

[JoeB131]

How are whites dependent on the government?

I'll repeat what I wrote on a different thread.

Depends what you define as Welfare.

The problem is, poor people get "Welfare" and white people get "entitlements".

So let's look at what the budgets are for these programs.

Entitlements

Social Security - $1,200,000,000,000.00
Medicare - 767,000,000,000.00
Unemployment - 24,090,000,000.00 (Often a lot higher when we have higher unemployment, like we did in 2020!)
Veteran's benefits- 161,000,000,000.00

So these are entitlements that mostly go to Middle Class White people, which keeps them from becoming poor. About 2.15 TRILLION in spending.

Now, let's compare that to programs that you would consider outright welfare/poverty relief. Let's leave aside the majority of people who collect these benefits are in fact white, because black people are MORE likely to be on these programs after 400 years of suppression.

SNAP (Food Stamps) 159,000,000,000.00
TANF 18,000,000,000.00
Section 8 65,000,000,000.00
WIC 7,000,000,000.00

So what we would call "Welfare" is a mere 249 BILLION. A little over 10% of what we spend on middle class entitlements.

Now, I did leave the best for last, and that is Medicaid. Medicaid does have a pretty big budget, about half of that of Medicare, about 400 billion. Another 300 billion is ponied up by the states. But 46% of that money goes to managed care for working poor people. 20% of it goes to elderly care. It would fall more into an entitlement than welfare. Frankly, if you are a poor person in reasonably good health, Medicaid is kind of meaningless to you.

This is the argument I pointed out to a few "conservatives" who can post here all day because they are on "disability".

 

[JoeB131]

You guys can make all the silly comments you want but you can't change documented history. So just face the fact that whites are hooked on government handouts like meth addicts are hooked on meth.

This where I have to challenge both sides.

There's a difference between a safety net and a hammock.

in 44 years in the workforce, I've been on unemployment maybe five times. Never more than a few months. I received Social Security payments after my Dad died until Ronnie Raygun ended that program for adult college students, but most of that money went to my mom. I've gotten a military scholarship and a VA loan which really didn't require the government to put up any money. The system is doing what it should do, preventing people from sliding into poverty.

OKAY- Now, you compare that to someone who has been on welfare because she had a baby at 15 and her mother had her when she was 15, and this is totally normal for them.

This is a case where the system is failing, it's not getting people out of poverty, it's perpetuating poverty.

 

[AZrailwhale]

I'll repeat what I wrote on a different thread.

Depends what you define as Welfare.

The problem is, poor people get "Welfare" and white people get "entitlements".

So let's look at what the budgets are for these programs.

Entitlements

Social Security - $1,200,000,000,000.00
Medicare - 767,000,000,000.00
Unemployment - 24,090,000,000.00 (Often a lot higher when we have higher unemployment, like we did in 2020!)
Veteran's benefits- 161,000,000,000.00

So these are entitlements that mostly go to Middle Class White people, which keeps them from becoming poor. About 2.15 TRILLION in spending.

Now, let's compare that to programs that you would consider outright welfare/poverty relief. Let's leave aside the majority of people who collect these benefits are in fact white, because black people are MORE likely to be on these programs after 400 years of suppression.

SNAP (Food Stamps) 159,000,000,000.00
TANF 18,000,000,000.00
Section 8 65,000,000,000.00
WIC 7,000,000,000.00

So what we would call "Welfare" is a mere 249 BILLION. A little over 10% of what we spend on middle class entitlements.

Now, I did leave the best for last, and that is Medicaid. Medicaid does have a pretty big budget, about half of that of Medicare, about 400 billion. Another 300 billion is ponied up by the states. But 46% of that money goes to managed care for working poor people. 20% of it goes to elderly care. It would fall more into an entitlement than welfare. Frankly, if you are a poor person in reasonably good health, Medicaid is kind of meaningless to you.

This is the argument I pointed out to a few "conservatives" who can post here all day because they are on "disability".

What you are calling white welfare are programs the recipients PAID INTO. Most with cash out of their paychecks and the VA with blood and sweat working long hours at dangerous jobs for low pay.

 

[IM2]

What you are calling white welfare are programs the recipients PAID INTO. Most with cash out of their paychecks and the VA with blood and sweat working long hours at dangerous jobs for low pay.

Stop making excuses. Blacks worked and were denied. What I described are government handouts that were given to whites.

 

[BackAgain]

Just face the truth of white dependence on government.

Does “facing the truth” translate into buying your premise, despite the fact that’s it’s fraudulent?

 

[BackAgain]

You guys can make all the silly comments you want but you can't change documented history. So just face the fact that whites are hooked on government handouts like meth addicts are hooked on meth.

Except, your claim isn’t a “fact.” It’s just a claim. And it’s false.

 

[JoeB131]

What you are calling white welfare are programs the recipients PAID INTO. Most with cash out of their paychecks and the VA with blood and sweat working long hours at dangerous jobs for low pay.

Actually, most people will get more out of these programs than they will ever pay in.

Now, mind you if you are never unemployed a day in your life and keel over on your 65th Birthday... um, yeah, it's a real ripoff.

But if you live to by 78 (the average lifespan) with even moderate old people complaints, you are going to take more out of SS and Medicare than you EVER put in.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Stop making excuses. Blacks worked and were denied. What I described are government handouts that were given to whites.

Nope, blacks are just as entitled to those programs as whites.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Actually, most people will get more out of these programs than they will ever pay in.

Now, mind you if you are never unemployed a day in your life and keel over on your 65th Birthday... um, yeah, it's a real ripoff.

But if you live to by 78 (the average lifespan) with even moderate old people complaints, you are going to take more out of SS and Medicare than you EVER put in.

Not when you calculate the interest that money would have made in a private account.

 

[JoeB131]

Not when you calculate the interest that money would have made in a private account.

But would it have? If people were good at saving for the future, we wouldn't NEED social security.

And try getting a private company to insure you at 65 with chronic health conditions.

 

[IM2]

Nope, blacks are just as entitled to those programs as whites.

The record shows that was not the case.

 

[AZrailwhale]

But would it have? If people were good at saving for the future, we wouldn't NEED social security.

And try getting a private company to insure you at 65 with chronic health conditions.

That's why you get insurance EARLY and keep it.

 

[AZrailwhale]

The record shows that was not the case.

Eighty years ago that was the case. Since the sixties blacks are eligible for every program whites are. And in the case of Social Security, blacks weren't banned, everyone who worked in agriculture and home service was banned and a hell of a lot of those people were whites, in fact nationwide, I'd bet whites outnumbered blacks in those fields ten or more to one.

 

[Lisa558]

Eighty years ago that was the case. Since the sixties blacks are eligible for every program whites are. And in the case of Social Security, blacks weren't banned, everyone who worked in agriculture and home service was banned and a hell of a lot of those people were whites, in fact nationwide, I'd bet whites outnumbered blacks in those fields ten or more to one.

Yes, that’s an important distinction, and one I’ve brought up before, which IM2 naturally ignores.

Social Security did not exclude blacks, as he claims, and hopes people will believe. It excluded people who worked in farming and home service, due to questions about collecting the taxes for it, and thus whites in those industries were excluded as well.

Blacks, like whites, in other fields were eligible. They were not banned. So if they worked in factories, or stores, or wherever else, they were part of Social Security.

 

[JoeB131]

That's why you get insurance EARLY and keep it.

Um, okay, you realize that most health insurance comes through employment, right. The individual market is prohibitively expensive, even after the ACA was passed.

You see, back in the good old days when you had lifetime union jobs and pensions and health plans, this might have made sense.

But we live in the day of the McJob. Everyone is replaceable.

 

[MizMolly]

Eighty years ago that was the case. Since the sixties blacks are eligible for every program whites are. And in the case of Social Security, blacks weren't banned, everyone who worked in agriculture and home service was banned and a hell of a lot of those people were whites, in fact nationwide, I'd bet whites outnumbered blacks in those fields ten or more to one.

He always whines about shit he isn’t being denied today. None of us have anything that he can’t have

 

[IM2]

Eighty years ago that was the case. Since the sixties blacks are eligible for every program whites are. And in the case of Social Security, blacks weren't banned, everyone who worked in agriculture and home service was banned and a hell of a lot of those people were whites, in fact nationwide, I'd bet whites outnumbered blacks in those fields ten or more to one.

Look idiot, eligibility doesn't mean acceptance. Blacks have learned that words written on paper don't mean anything. So stop trying to dismiss what I say from the perspective of a white man who never has had to face what I am talking about. Quit denying the long term effects of exclusion.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Yada, yada, yada.

Tuskegee Experiments, segregating the Army, and "when I appoint a ****** (Thurgood Marshall) to the bench, I want everybody to know he's a ******."

 

[Meister]

Whether it was colonial government or the current republic we have now, the government has provided whites with more than it has ever given to anyone else. This was not because people of color did not take the opportunity because most of these things EXCLUDED non white participation. The handouts/privilege started with this:

In 1618, the Virginia colony passed "the Great Charter of privileges, orders, and laws." Among these laws was a provision that any person who settled in Virginia or paid for the transportation of another person to settle in Virginia would get fifty acres of land per person. “The right to receive fifty acres per person, or per head, was called a headright.” It got even better for colonists as those who “imported” slaves also got fifty acres per slave. The practice was continued by the government of Virginia, for 161 years, ending in 1779. Headrights were not only limited to Virginia. The headright system was used in all the original thirteen colonies. Headrights were the first of many government handouts of free stuff or guarantees providing whites with economic development assistance.

It continued with this:

The Three-Fifths Compromise is found in Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3 of the United States Constitution. It says: “Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three-fifths of all other Persons.”

And with this:

The Naturalization Act of 1790 states: “any alien, being a free white person,” could apply for citizenship, so long as they lived in the United States for at least two years and in the state where the application was filed for at least one year. This law allowed “children of citizens of the United States that may be born … out of the limits of the United States shall be considered as natural-born citizens.” Please notice the first seven words. Only whites were entitled to be citizens of this country.

And with this:

One of the greatest miscarriages of justice in this nation’s history was a direct rebuttal to the claim that all men are created equal called Dred Scott v. Sandford. I am not going into all the particulars of this case. The court’s opinion says all you need to know. “A black man has no rights a white man is bound to respect.” The result of Dred Scott v. Sandford was that whites were given rights and status blacks were denied.Or- Affirmative Action.

And with this:

Passed in 1862, the Homestead Acts gave away 246 million acres of land. To qualify for Homestead land, a person had to be a citizen of the United States, and blacks were not given citizenship until 1866.

And this:

On April 16, 1895, the United States Supreme Court rendered another one of the sorriest decisions in American history. It is known as Plessy vs. Ferguson. From this decision came the principle of separate but equal.

And this:

The National Housing Act was passed by Congress and signed by President Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1934.29 This law created the Federal Housing Administration or the FHA. The National Housing Act is the policy that may have had the most impact on wealth accumulation in modern America.

Between 1934 and 1968, the FHA implemented and put into practice a policy that still negatively impacts communities today.30 The FHA Underwriting Manual set the guidelines real estate agents used to assess home values in American neighborhoods. This manual promoted racist real estate practices. It was done by defending racially restrictive covenants and segregated communities. Due to this manual, the FHA established a neighborhood grading system based purely on false racist perceptions.

Redlining was the name of that grading system. My point here is the FHA was a government agency whose policies specifically provided whites with opportunities to increase wealth through homeownership. The formation of the FHA and its guaranteed loan program only worked to increase white advantage. “Of the $120 billion worth of new housing subsidized by the government between 1934 and 1962, less than 2 percent went to nonwhite families.”

And this:

The Social Security Act of 1935 created the Social Security program, state unemployment insurance, and assistance to single women with children.Today, most Americans love the program. However, when the act was signed, the law excluded occupations mainly done by blacks. When President Roosevelt signed the law, approximately two-thirds of the blacks in America were ineligible. For years, most blacks were excluded from social security savings and could not get unemployment.

And this:

Title 4 or IV of the social security act of 1935 provided grants to states as Aid To Dependent Children. Eventually the name of the program was changed to Aid to Families with Dependent Children. This was welfare, folks. Assistance for single moms with children and no daddy at home. In 1935. Blacks were excluded.

And this:

The Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 created the minimum wage and time and a half overtime pay for working over forty hours a week. Child labor was eliminated by this act. All these were good things, but… In every law that was passed as part of The New Deal, Roosevelt had to compromise with southern representatives to get the votes he needed. In the case of the FLSA, due to pressure from southern congress members, he decided that industries would be excluded from the regulations where the majority of workers were black. Because of this, blacks were paid less than the minimum wage.

And this:

On June 22, 1944, President Roosevelt signed the Servicemen’s Readjustment Act, better known as the G.I. Bill.38 This law provided benefits for veterans returning from World War Two. This act included funds for college tuition, low-cost home loans, and unemployment insurance. As in every other program during this time, southern members of Congress fought the passage of these laws unless there were provisions that limited access to blacks.

Over one million returning black soldiers were unable to get GI benefits. My father was one of those soldiers.

And today white women are the number one beneficiary of affirmative action. So when you're white trying to diss blacks with affirmative action, look in the mirror and you will see the image of the people who have benefitted the most from what you say Affirmative Action is. When you start ranting about government handouts and dependence look in the mirror again. The dependence on government by whites is why we see the complaining due to the fact that others are getting what some whites think they are entitled to. After all, when you bitch about imaginary quotas that if they were real, would give whites 70 percent of the jobs, admissions, government contracts and promotions, the only reason that you are bitching is because you believe you are entitled to everything.

The government had allowed me to be gainfully employed for my entire working life.
Just as it is for those citizens who wish the same.

I still say that it will take 2-3 generations to purge racism from our society, and even then there will be a few that still linger.
This country has come a long ways from the 1860's to the 20's, 20's to the 60's, and from the 60's to the 2000's. It will continue with
every generation.