Zone1 This is "Religion & Ethics. Is This Ethical?

[hobelim]

Did you get your interpretations from bubble gum wrappers?

No. I got it straight from the source. Divine Logos. The food of angels. That's why you choke on it.

 

[ding]

No. I got it straight from the source. Divine Logos. The food of angels. That's why you choke on it.

That I do not believe.

 

[hobelim]

I'm more than happy to let free will run its course. I trust the Lord.... and the predictable surprises of normalization of deviance.

You mean like the MAGA movement? Normalizing nazi propaganda, racism, misogyny, homophobia, deception, bigotry, illiteracy, antisemitism, corruption, and corporate crime, effectively legalizing criminal behavior by pardoning the most despicable low life creatures out there, rapists, con artists, scammers, vultures, teeming vermin, swine THAT DO NOT RUMINATE, and every sort of foul and loathsome beast and bird on earth ?

Yes, predictable surprises. Its just a matter of time.

Can't wait!

 

[ding]

You mean like the MAGA movement? Normalizing racism, misogyny, deception, bigotry, illiteracy, antisemitism, and effectively legalizing criminal behavior by pardoning the most despicable low life creatures out there?

Yes, predictable surprises. Its just a matter of time.

Can't wait!

Not exactly like that, no. But I have no doubt you have and will continue to have more than your fair share.

 

[hobelim]

Not exactly like that, no. But I have no doubt you have and will continue to have more than your fair share.

What would really surprise me is if you, a pussy, grew a set of balls...

Now that would be a miracle!

 

[Cougarbear]

for the garden without the desert bibles the survival of the fittest is an object lesson from the heavens - for the desert dwellers its laziness ...

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complete indifference to the lives they are destroying.

- the first century knew better, the heavenly creation, life is the sabbath to keep holy - made into a day of couch potatoes by the desert bibles.

I know many Christians that do good things on the Sabbath to help others. Go to hospitals, nursing homes, visit the widows and do many good things on the Sabbath besides renewing their baptismal covenants by partaking of the sacraments. Why do you think it's okay for you to judge others?

 

[ding]

What would really surprise me is if you, a pussy, grew a set of balls...

Now that would be a miracle!

That's nice.

 

[BreezeWood]

I know many Christians that do good things on the Sabbath to help others.

for the garden without the desert bibles the survival of the fittest is an object lesson from the heavens - for the desert dwellers its laziness ...

- and your quote has what relevance to the lower quote being referred to.

or your phony interpretation of the sabbath made so by judaism.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

That was not God's design. God did not design and put animals on this earth for the purpose of being menu items. In Genesis 1, on the very first page of the Bible, it clearly states that when God created the world and all of us, we were created to eat a 100% plantbased diet. Genesis 1:29-30.

But I just remembered.....on another thread you said you don't believe this is a fallen world (which is a fundamental basic teaching of Christianity.) So if you don't believe that this is a fallen world, I guess I can understand why you think the current horror show and bloodbath was God's design.

It seems you're the only one on topic on this thread

 

[BreezeWood]

It seems you're the only one on topic on this thread

But I just remembered.....on another thread you said you don't believe this is a fallen world (which is a fundamental basic teaching of Christianity.) - - In Genesis 1 ....

- funny how that works ... another desert dweller exclaiming the goodness of their religion and that of humanity - the fallen world of judaism.

Then they said, “Let us make life in our image, in our likeness, the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky the livestock and all the wild animals, and all the creatures that move along the ground.”

and fail always not to mention the beginning as taught by jesus and the 1st century events.

 

[buttercup]

Despite what some may believe, God doesn't make mistakes. It wasn't a shock to God when man started behaving selfishly. It was expected. Luckily there is a self compensating feature to existence. It's called consequences.

I agree, I never claimed that God was surprised by the Fall. But if you're implying that because God knows the future, that means He desires or approves of everything that happens, I disagree. God allows bad things to happen, but it doesn't follow that He wants or approves of those things. There's a difference between God's perfect will and God's permissive will.

As for God's design, was it part of God's design for animals to eat other animals? Or plants to get nutrients from plants that have died? To live is to consume. If consuming is bad, then so is living.

No, it wasn't. Maybe I wasn't clear in my previous post. Genesis 1:29-30 is not only about humans. Verse 29 is about humans, but verse 30 is about the animals. It clearly states that they too were given a 100% plantbased diet. The paradise that God created looked nothing like the world we see today. Predation was never God's desire or intent. Animals killing other animals and humans killing animals came later, and those things are an aspect of this fallen world. (There's more to it than that, but for the sake of keeping this short, I'll leave it at that.) But again, if you don't even believe this is a fallen world, then of course the things I'm saying aren't going to make sense to you. You seem to have a very secular mindset when it comes to the history of all creation and creation itself.

As for a fallen world, I think people have different names for that but at the end of the day, it is man's nature to be selfish. Do I believe there is an evil spirit that is responsible for that? No. I don't. I believe man is responsible for that.

Yes, it's human nature (before being born again) but if what you're saying is that God created us to be selfish, I disagree. God created us with free will. Before the fall, Adam and Eve were innocent and without sin. According to the Bible after the fall, we (humanity) inherited the sinful nature from Adam and Eve. Which gets back to what I said about God not creating us that way.

 

[buttercup]

It seems you're the only one on topic on this thread

I was going to mention something about what's his face....the chef guy. I don't remember if I saw it on YouTube or TV, but I remember seeing a show where he and some other guy literally pulled a beautiful bird out of the sky and took a bite out of it. The bird tried to fight back by biting his nose. The whole thing was so ugly and evil, imo. So yeah, I agree that he is really bad when it comes to animals. I just looked at that video you linked to in the OP.....Ugh. I agree with what one of those ladies said. He was trying to be funny, but to me he just looked like a soulless jerk.

 

[ding]

I agree, I never claimed that God was surprised by the Fall. But if you're implying that because God knows the future, that means He desires or approves of everything that happens, I disagree.

I'm not implying that. Clearly God abides by man's choices and tolerates his behaviors. If God uses everything for his good, then even the bad things that happen serve a purpose. I'm not sure how God's desire or approval has anything to do with it. I don't see a lot of people behaving like they think they will be judged. Being virtuous is its own reward, but it is choice each of us have to make and that seems to be the way God wants it.

 

[ding]

God allows bad things to happen, but it doesn't follow that He wants or approves of those things. There's a difference between God's perfect will and God's permissive will.

As near as I can tell, God allows all things to happen. I don't believe he wants us to do perfect things. He knows we are going to make mistakes. I think he wants us to exist perfectly.

 

[ding]

Animals killing other animals and humans killing animals came later, and those things are an aspect of this fallen world.

I disagree. There have always been animal predators. But sure, humans probably did start off eating nuts and berries. I don't believe animals and humans eating animals is an aspect of a fallen world. I believe it is the natural order. That's God providing for his creation so to speak. I think those passages are merely recording the history as in man began as vegetarians. If you believe in eternal life then you must know the flesh is of no avail.

 

[ding]

You seem to have a very secular mindset when it comes to the history of all creation and creation itself.

No. I just understand the context of these ancient texts which predated exodus by a couple of thousand years. It's how they passed down history, knowledge and wisdom. It's not an instruction book from God. Which I am sure is going to shock you.

 

[BULLDOG]

I disagree. There have always been animal predators. But sure, humans probably did start off eating nuts and berries. I don't believe animals and humans eating animals is an aspect of a fallen world. I believe it is the natural order. That's God providing for his creation so to speak. I think those passages are merely recording the history as in man began as vegetarians. If you believe in eternal life then you must know the flesh is of no avail.

If that flesh comes in the form of a nice thick ribeye it is.

 

[ding]

Yes, it's human nature (before being born again) but if what you're saying is that God created us to be selfish, I disagree. God created us with free will. Before the fall, Adam and Eve were innocent and without sin. According to the Bible after the fall, we (humanity) inherited the sinful nature from Adam and Eve. Which gets back to what I said about God not creating us that way.

I'm not saying God created us to be selfish. God gave us free will so that we could choose for ourselves. As such we get to have knowledge of and get to experience good and evil. I don't believe this is because of Adam and Eve. It makes no sense for God to punish Adam and Eve for what he already knew man was going to do because of free will. Rather Adam and Eve is a cautionary tale about failing to take accountability.

 

[ding]

If that flesh comes in the form of a nice thick ribeye it is.

I don't think she will appreciate that joke as much as I did.

 

[ding]

Which gets back to what I said about God not creating us that way.

Which way did God create us?