Zone1 This is "Religion & Ethics. Is This Ethical?

[BULLDOG]

I don't think she will appreciate that joke as much as I did.

I wish I could care.

 

[BreezeWood]

But I just remembered.....on another thread you said you don't believe this is a fallen world (which is a fundamental basic teaching of Christianity.

... and those things are an aspect of this fallen world.

what you claim is not taught by anyone in the 1st century than the repudiation of judaism's chronology their false commandments hereditary idolatry et al.

what is a fallen world are the three desert religions and those that use them to manifest their predetermined destiny the 1st century more than any other attempted to rectify.

the loss of habitat and victimization of wildlife is more the work of desert dwellers with nothing to lose as christianity than any other source on planet earth.

 

[Cougarbear]

- and your quote has what relevance to the lower quote being referred to.

or your phony interpretation of the sabbath made so by judaism.

The sabbath was first coined by Moses. Without Moses there would be no Sabbath. Without Genesis, there would be no 7 day week and resting on one of them. You are a fraud.

 

[ding]

I wish I could care.

You should.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

The sabbath was first coined by Moses. Without Moses there would be no Sabbath. Without Genesis, there would be no 7 day week and resting on one of them. You are a fraud.

The Sabbath was from the beginning, but WTH does this have to do with the way you treat God's creation?

 

[hobelim]

I think those passages are merely recording the history as in man began as vegetarians. If you believe in eternal life then you must know the flesh is of no avail.

That's ridiculous. The history of man did not begin as vegetarians just like Kosher Law has nothing whatever to do with food. Did you forget what you should have known since at least high school? Were you sleeping? Damn.

That's why Jesus said "eat my flesh", flesh being a new more satisfying revelation from God replacing the existing metaphor for the Word of God, bread from Heaven, the food of angels, that became "the flesh of Jesus". Hence, "the Word became flesh". Flesh being the teaching of Jesus that the subjects of Divine Law are not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used. Its really that simple. If you look and look and keep on looking for the deeper meaning you will find it. If you don't you won't. Unless you eat his flesh, accept this teaching, and drink his blood, act on it, you cannot have the life promised for fulfilling the Law in you.

Life is in the blood. In the doing.

When Jesus said "the flesh is of no avail" it had nothing to do with food or the body. Jesus was teaching that when he said eat my flesh he was talking about accepting "the body of his teaching" which is made of Words that are both Spirit and life. "The Spirit alone gives life" When you eat food, bread or flesh, you flush it down the toilet.

Am I telling you something that you didn't already know?

You openly defy Divine Law, religiously. That's why you have no life within you and always say such stupid things like "I think those passages are merely recording the history as in man began as vegetarians." And set aside Divine law to seek spiritual life from bread made by human hands that is not "the Body of Christ". Derp.

You died "the death" for setting aside Divine Law a very very very long time ago. You do have my condolences.

 

[BreezeWood]

The sabbath was first coined by Moses. Without Moses there would be no Sabbath. Without Genesis, there would be no 7 day week and resting on one of them. You are a fraud.

so judaism is moses the liar is nothing new a habit for all their self proclaimed prophets .... their is neither coin nor judaism genesis in existence than their madeup bible.

the sabbath is the heavenly completion, their creation of life and garden earth to keep holy -

what c-bear, desert dwellers see as holy for garden earth they have made themselves - to enjoy on their day off.

 

[ding]

That's ridiculous. The history of man did not begin as vegetarians just like Kosher Law has nothing whatever to do with food. Did you forget what you should have known since at least high school? Were you sleeping? Damn.

That's why Jesus said "eat my flesh", flesh being a new more satisfying revelation from God replacing the existing metaphor for the Word of God, bread from Heaven, the food of angels, that became "the flesh of Jesus". Hence, "the Word became flesh". Flesh being the teaching of Jesus that the subjects of Divine Law are not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used. Its really that simple. If you look and look and keep on looking for the deeper meaning you will find it. If you don't you won't. Unless you eat his flesh, accept this teaching, and drink his blood, act on it, you cannot have the life promised for fulfilling the Law in you.

Life is in the blood. In the doing.

When Jesus said "the flesh is of no avail" it had nothing to do with food or the body. Jesus was teaching that when he said eat my flesh he was talking about accepting "the body of his teaching" which is made of Words that are both Spirit and life. "The Spirit alone gives life" When you eat food, bread or flesh, you flush it down the toilet.

Am I telling you something that you didn't already know?

You openly defy Divine Law, religiously. That's why you have no life within you and always say such stupid things like "I think those passages are merely recording the history as in man began as vegetarians." And set aside Divine law to seek spiritual life from bread made by human hands that is not "the Body of Christ". Derp.

You died "the death" for setting aside Divine Law a very very very long time ago. You do have my condolences.

I suspect the first humans were predominantly vegetarians.

I see that even in a discussion about the eating habits of the first humans you still can't keep your religious nutjobery to yourself.

 

[hobelim]

I see that even in a discussion about the eating habits of the first humans you still can't keep your religious nutjobery to yourself.

If you think thats nutjobery, lol, consider this; Unlike the other 3 Gospels the only person given bread dipped in wine during the last supper according to John is Judas as a way for Jesus to identify his betrayer to the others.

"And as soon as Judas received the bread, Satan entered him."

If you don't believe me, you can look it up. This is not a minor or an irrelevant discrepancy, Jesus eater. lol

 

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If you think thats nutjobery, lol, consider this; Unlike the other 3 Gospels the only person given bread dipped in wine during the last supper according to John is Judas as a way for Jesus to identify his betrayer to the others.

"And as soon as Judas received the bread, Satan entered him."

If you don't believe me, you can look it up. This is not a minor or an irrelevant discrepancy, Jesus eater. lol

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Oh I know you are a religious nutjob. Everyone who posts in this forum knows you are a religious nutjob.

 

[Cougarbear]

The Sabbath was from the beginning, but WTH does this have to do with the way you treat God's creation?

I was responding to Breeze Brain.

 

[Cougarbear]

so judaism is moses the liar is nothing new a habit for all their self proclaimed prophets .... their is neither coin nor judaism genesis in existence than their madeup bible.

the sabbath is the heavenly completion, their creation of life and garden earth to keep holy -

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what c-bear, desert dwellers see as holy for garden earth they have made themselves - to enjoy on their day off.

You are the one claiming only you keep the Sabbath properly. If there is no prophet Moses, then your statement is phony. That's why I and others don't take you seriously. You're being a clown.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I was going to mention something about what's his face....the chef guy. I don't remember if I saw it on YouTube or TV, but I remember seeing a show where he and some other guy literally pulled a beautiful bird out of the sky and took a bite out of it. The bird tried to fight back by biting his nose. The whole thing was so ugly and evil, imo. So yeah, I agree that he is really bad when it comes to animals. I just looked at that video you linked to in the OP.....Ugh. I agree with what one of those ladies said. He was trying to be funny, but to me he just looked like a soulless jerk.

I used to be neutral towards him. I'm not anymore

 

[buttercup]

Which way did God create us?

Like I said, with free will. In a state of innocence, at first.

I want to reply to some of the other things you said.... but I don't want to do a rushed reply, and I need to sign off here for a while, so I'll try to get back to this later to reply to a couple other things you said.

 

[BULLDOG]

Oh I know you are a religious nutjob. Everyone who posts in this forum knows you are a religious nutjob.

Damn. Who would want soggy bread?

 

[BreezeWood]

You are the one claiming only you keep the Sabbath properly. If there is no prophet Moses, then your statement is phony. That's why I and others don't take you seriously. You're being a clown.

what has moses to do w/ the sabbath - your beliefs are based on that liar ...

 

[ding]

Damn. Who would want soggy bread?

Apparently you have never had an Italian beef sandwich that was dipped.

 

[BreezeWood]

The Sabbath was from the beginning, but WTH does this have to do with the way you treat God's creation?

the heavens deemed their creation, life and garden earth a sabbath to be kept holy ...

not so for the desert dwellers -

indifference for the garden and life, rather to have a day from work being the importance of the event as moses's irrational claim as another of their false commandments - jesus knew better and to heal the inflicted honored the heavenly request.

 

[Cougarbear]

what has moses to do w/ the sabbath - your beliefs are based on that liar ...

Why are you even using the word sabbath? That's a term first used by Moses in the OT. You are the liar.

 

[buttercup]

I disagree. There have always been animal predators. But sure, humans probably did start off eating nuts and berries. I don't believe animals and humans eating animals is an aspect of a fallen world. I believe it is the natural order. That's God providing for his creation so to speak. I think those passages are merely recording the history as in man began as vegetarians. If you believe in eternal life then you must know the flesh is of no avail.

That's the worldly / secular view, but it's completely unbiblical. And not only that, it's completely illogical too.

I mean, think about it. When you consider that God is perfect (Matt. 5:48, Psalm 18:30, Deut. 32:4, 1 John 1:5, etc), and God is holy (Isaiah 6:3, 1 Samuel 2:2, 1 Peter 1:16, Rev. 4:8, etc) and God is love (1 John 4:8, 1 John 4:16, Romans 5:8, etc)....

A perfect, holy God of love would create a world that reflects His nature. And that's exactly what God did, in the beginning. It's a fundamental basic Christian teaching that in the beginning, God created a paradise. A place filled with beauty, abundance and peace and harmony among all creation and with God. This of course was before sin came into the world.

The idea that a perfect, holy God of love and peace would create an imperfect, evil, selfish and violent world is not only thoroughly unbiblical, but it's contradictory and nonsensical. As Jesus said, a good tree produces good fruit. "A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit." It's the principle that the nature of something is reflected in its outcomes.

In regard to animals...animals were created as sentient beings, they have souls. Like us, they can feel pain, fear, happiness, excitement, curiosity, etc. The animals people eat have individual personalities (just like dogs and cats do) and they clearly want to live and enjoy life, in peace and safety.

So the idea that a perfect God of LOVE would create animals who can feel pain and suffer and who have a strong will to live....only to be mere food items treated with brutal violence, causing fear and panic and immense suffering.....is borderline blasphemous, in my view. Why, because it implies that God doesn't care about His own beloved creation, it implies that God loves violence and the ugly horror show that this current world is. And that is simply false. It's false biblically and logically. If anything, the "god of this world" (satan) would want a violent world like that. Not our perfect holy God of love and peace.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying God doesn't allow these things to happen. Of course God allows bad things to happen in this fallen world, but that doesn't mean it's what God wants. It's temporary, and as Christians we are taught to want God's PERFECT will, on earth as it is in Heaven. Not to love this fallen world and partake in things that were never God's intent for creation in the first place.

And as a few of us have mentioned before on other threads (numerous times)...God is going to restore that initial beautiful world of peace and harmony that was HIS design and intent in the first place. That's another basic teaching of Christianity, that when Jesus returns, this current evil age will be no more, and God is going to restore the world HE created. And that day we will go back to the peace and harmony - and no flesh eating - that is God's perfect will that never changed! Because God does not change.


The wolf will live with the lamb,
and the leopard will lie down with the goat.
The calf, the young lion, and the fatling will be together,
and a child will lead them.
The cow and the bear will graze,
their young ones will lie down together,
and the lion will eat straw like the ox.
An infant will play beside the cobra’s pit,
and a toddler will put his hand into a snake’s den.
None will harm or destroy another
on My entire holy mountain,
for the land will be as full
of the knowledge of the Lord
as the sea is filled with water.

Isaiah 11:6-9

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