Amazing. 10 years ago, decent people were ashamed to even have such thoughts...now they crow about them on messages boards.
That's because years ago people, decent or otherwise, had no computers much less message boards.
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Amazing. 10 years ago, decent people were ashamed to even have such thoughts...now they crow about them on messages boards.
José;2405687 said:I don't think Latinos will ever try and secede from the US, Angelhair, I was just following that guy's speculation. But just for the sake of discussion let's assume they would.
Would you like to board a time travelling machine and see the government of Aztlan, two hundred years from now telling blantant lies about immigration in the 20th, 21th?
There was no Mexican illegal immigration into the US blah, blah, blah...
Wouldn't you be outraged to see the Aztlan authorities lying through their teeth about it? I would...
This is exactly how the mexican people feel when they see american citizens like you lying unashamedly about the landgrab of half of Mexico... there was no illegal american immigration blah, blah, blah...
They feel the same anger, outrage as you would....
If the lies of a hypothetical Aztlan government, denying the reality of mexican illegal immigration documented with thousands of photos and video footage would make you mad then do unto others as you would have others do unto you...
Every single inch of US land was first stolen from Native Americans.
Largely untrue- much of it was purchased. As to the remainder.......Conquest and dispossession of the conquered is how virtually every society on the face of the earth arrived where it is at today. Such has really nothing in common with theft which is an act of individuals within a society.
Your people attempted to stop the takeover, too. They failed.
We can stop it.
Also, your people didn't recognize ownership of land, so it wasn't really "their" land.
Just because they had the spirit of community to understand that the earth and its resources belong to the community and should not owned by ANY private person or family does not mean that the land was not stolen from them as a people.
Amazing. 10 years ago, decent people were ashamed to even have such thoughts...now they crow about them on messages boards.
That's because years ago people, decent or otherwise, had no computers much less message boards.
'What do we tell Mexicans and citizens of other nations fleeing their own drug-crazed violence and poverty and corruption? Shouldn't we be addressing the CAUSES of illegal immigration in the nations these folks are fleeing?'
Why????????
José;2405740 said:Originally posted by Granny
Mexicans, stay home...
Granny wants illegal Mexicans to go home. Fair enough as far as I'm concerned...
The problem here is that granny and illegal Mexicans disagree about what contitutes "Mexican being home".
Illegal mexicans would reply to granny (pay attention, IT'S THEIR WORDS, NOT MINE):
"Sorry to break the news to you, abuelita, but we, Mexicans in California, Texas, New Mexico and Arizona are already home."
As long as granny and illegal Mexicans don't reach an agreement on what constitutes "Mexican being home" the possibility of a meaningful, constructive dialogue between them will continue to be a pipe dream.
Amazing. 10 years ago, decent people were ashamed to even have such thoughts...now they crow about them on messages boards.
José;2405921 said:Originally posted by Jack Fate
My family is from Ireland. Can I go to Ireland and become an Irish citizen by claiming "I am home"?
You're barking up the wrong tree, Jack. I have stated on numerous occasions that Mexicans lost their right to live in Cali, etc... the moment the mexican society accepted the loss of those territories.
But many hispanics in the Southwest (both legal and illegal) happen to disagree with me.
Amazing. 10 years ago, decent people were ashamed to even have such thoughts...now they crow about them on messages boards.
Yeah right, 10 years ago people were a little bit more intimidated by PC and had not seen as much of the hell that PC would dump middle America into. Well now people can see where the PC cattle car is taking them and starting to realise its fight or go under. You cannot imagine what an unpleasant place America will be in another 10 years for traitors like you.
I thought we were talking about Mexicans....so is this the official Republican position? Mexicans are *******?Amazing. 10 years ago, decent people were ashamed to even have such thoughts...now they crow about them on messages boards.
As long as some blacks refer to each other as *******, I will feel free to do so as well.
I thought we were talking about Mexicans....so is this the official Republican position? Mexicans are *******?Amazing. 10 years ago, decent people were ashamed to even have such thoughts...now they crow about them on messages boards.
As long as some blacks refer to each other as *******, I will feel free to do so as well.
José;2405921 said:Originally posted by Jack Fate
My family is from Ireland. Can I go to Ireland and become an Irish citizen by claiming "I am home"?
You're barking up the wrong tree, Jack. I have stated on numerous occasions that Mexicans lost their right to live in Cali, etc... the moment the mexican society accepted the loss of those territories.
But many hispanics in the Southwest (both legal and illegal) happen to disagree with me.
Amazing. 10 years ago, decent people were ashamed to even have such thoughts...now they crow about them on messages boards.
That's because years ago people, decent or otherwise, had no computers much less message boards.
I tended bar 25 years ago. That was before message boards too... they crowed back then, they were just more careful not to crow unless they were in a fairly sympathetic crowd.
Anonymity is a powerful tool when being a tool.
José;2405921 said:Originally posted by Jack Fate
My family is from Ireland. Can I go to Ireland and become an Irish citizen by claiming "I am home"?
You're barking up the wrong tree, Jack. I have stated on numerous occasions that Mexicans lost their right to live in Cali, etc... the moment the mexican society accepted the loss of those territories.
But many hispanics in the Southwest (both legal and illegal) happen to disagree with me.
And you having stated on "numerous occasions" (how numerous can they have been when you've only been here for about 14 days?), you have been wrong, wrong, wrong.
Read Article VIII in the Treaty itself:
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Bodecea, don't be dense, please....Originally posted by bodecea
And you having stated on "numerous occasions" (how numerous can they have been when you've only been here for about 14 days?), you have been wrong, wrong, wrong.
Read Article VIII in the Treaty itself:
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