“This administration has it exactly backward,”

[Seymour Flops]

What would make sense

Is NOT shutting down an energy source that is nearly completed

What would make even more sense

is NOT shutting down a working power plant with no plan to replace the electricity it now poduces.

Why become dependent on a power source that is so vulnerable to attack?

 

[Lesh]

What would make even more sense

is NOT shutting down a working power plant with no plan to replace the electricity it now poduces.

One thing has nothing to do with the other

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Energy outside of coal or oil is woke and commie and sent by Satan.

I thought everyone knew that.

Nawwww. It just doesn’t work that well.

 

[Invisibleflash]

Trump Administration Orders Work Halted on Wind Farm That Is Nearly Built​

At the same time as it thwarts the wind industry, the Trump administration has taken several steps to boost oil and gas as well as coal, the dirtiest and most expensive fossil fuel when it comes to burning it for electricity.

The Energy Department on Thursday extended an emergency order compelling a Michigan coal-burning power plant to stay open past its retirement date. The department has issued several orders to keep coal plants running past their planned closure dates, even in cases where the operators never sought an extension and ratepayers would shoulder the costs of complying.

“This administration has it exactly backward,” said Kit Kennedy, managing director for power at the Natural Resources Defense Council, an environmental group. “It’s trying to prop up clunky, polluting coal plants while doing all it can to halt the fastest-growing energy sources of the future — solar and wind power.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/22/climate/trump-administration-halts-revolution-wind.html

The thread title applies to the trump government in many ways, but it's especially true when it comes to energy policy. It's one thing not to support progress and quite another to get in its way.

It’s also the case that, though the Trump administration is working to stymie the clean power business and some environmental groups are struggling, the economics of the energy transition have a momentum of their own.

This year, roughly half of all new generating capacity in the United States, some 33 gigawatts, is expected to come from solar energy. And while the growth of clean energy is slowing, it is still poised to be up 7 percent in the U.S. this year.

That growth is driven by the fact that, on balance, it is now cheaper and faster to build clean energy in the United States than it is to build new fossil fuel capacity, such as gas plants.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/21/climate/climate-solutions-local.html

Economic reality has a way of transcending politics, and stupidity. However, if there are ways to shift the cost of building polluting fossil fuel plants in their favor I have no doubt the Energy Dept. will try to find it. Because it appears trump wants the regression of clean energy projects to be part of his already disastrous legacy.

Trump says NO!

 

[Anathema]

Economic reality has a way of transcending politics, and stupidity. However, if there are ways to shift the cost of building polluting fossil fuel plants in their favor I have no doubt the Energy Dept. will try to find it. Because it appears trump wants the regression of clean energy projects to be part of his already disastrous legacy.

I work in the electrical utility industry and I would willingly pay ten times as much for the fossil fuel energy over the distributed generation (renewables).

 

[Rawley]

I get the unshakable feeling this is one of those times Dotard is doubling down on idiocy out of spite. Just to be contrary, cuz he can. Like with tariffs. The more economists write about the destructive nature of tariffs the more he wants to impose their use on the country. Maybe if those warning about climate change told trump coal is excellent for the environment he'd support renewable energy.

ANd once again Bergie breaks the irony meter/

 

[Papageorgio]

Sounds like the kind of message I'd be circulating if I were a legacy energy company exec worried about the future of demand for my product given the destructive way (to the environment) it is produced.

I don’t care what it sounds like it is what it is, solar and wind farms are an eye sore. Geothermal energy, solar panels on a home are less environmentally intrusive than huge wind and solar farms, do you have actual facts that refute what I am implying or are you just a noise machine that care only about politics and not the environment?

 

[Oddball]

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Sunlight takes about eight minutes (499 seconds) to reach the earth. Multiplying 499 seconds by twenty-six billionths of a W/ m3 reveals that solar radiation has an energy density of 1.5 microjoules per cubic meter (1.5 × 10−6 J/m3).

Solar radiation has an energy density 20 quadrillion times less than oil. You could cover the earth with solar panels and the energy captured over a year would power the earth for less than .0000005 seconds.

 

[Nostra]

And that puppy was dug with a fleet of diesel burning excavators.
Good ol clean lithium.

Most are dug by black kids slave labor.

 

[Nostra]

Once you clowns ban fossil fuels you won’t be able to make your windmills and solar panels.

Idiots.

 

[Oddball]

 

[Seymour Flops]

One thing has nothing to do with the other

It was in the OP's story.

Shutting down an incomplete power plant that would have made us vulnerable to terrorist attack by even the most amateurish of hostiles makes perfect sense.

As does not throwing good money after bad for a boondoggle sure to be beset by cost over-runs, delays, and faulty construction.

Only question is, did the builders start a shell corporation specifically for the purpose of getting the money to build the windmills, and how soon will they bankrupt themselves once they realize there is no more money to be made.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Energy outside of coal or oil is woke and commie and sent by Satan.

I thought everyone knew that.

Nuclear is clean and reliable and makes leftards poop their pants.

 

[Nostra]

Hey berg80 , do you still use any of these products?

Hypocrite.

Solvents	Diesel fuel	Motor Oil	Bearing Grease
Ink	Floor Wax	Ballpoint Pens	Football Cleats
Upholstery	Sweaters (that explains the itchy sweater I have at home)	Boats	Insecticides
Bicycle Tires	Sports Car Bodies	Nail Polish	Fishing lures
Dresses	Tires	Golf Bags	Perfumes
Cassettes	Dishwasher parts	Tool Boxes	Shoe Polish
Motorcycle Helmet	Caulking	Petroleum Jelly	Transparent Tape
CD Player (do people still have these?)	Faucet Washers	Antiseptics	Clothesline
Curtains	Food Preservatives	Basketballs	Soap (that explains why soap doesn’t clean oil off your hands)
Vitamin Capsules	Antihistamines	Purses	Shoes
Dashboards	Cortisone	Deodorant	Footballs
Putty	Dyes	Panty Hose	Refrigerant
Percolators	Life Jackets	Rubbing Alcohol	Linings
Skis	TV Cabinets	Shag Rugs	Electrician’s Tape
Tool Racks	Car Battery Cases	Epoxy	Paint
Mops	Slacks	Insect Repellent	Oil Filters
Umbrellas	Yarn	Fertilizers	Hair Coloring
Roofing	Toilet Seats	Fishing Rods	Lipstick
Denture Adhesive	Linoleum	Ice Cube Trays	Synthetic Rubber
Speakers	Plastic Wood	Electric Blankets	Glycerin
Tennis Rackets	Rubber Cement	Fishing Boots	Dice
Nylon Rope	Candles	Trash Bags	House Paint
Water Pipes	Hand Lotion	Roller Skates	Surf Boards
Shampoo	Wheels	Paint Rollers	Shower Curtains
Guitar Strings	Luggage	Aspirin	Safety Glasses
Antifreeze	Football Helmets	Awnings	Eyeglasses (I thought they were made from glass)
Clothes	Toothbrushes	Ice Chests	Footballs
Combs	CD’s & DVD’s	Paint Brushes	Detergents
Vaporizers	Balloons	Sun Glasses	Tents
Heart Valves	Crayons	Parachutes	Telephones
Enamel	Pillows	Dishes	Cameras
Anesthetics	Artificial Turf	Artificial limbs	Bandages
Dentures	Model Cars	Folding Doors	Hair Curlers
Cold cream	Movie film	Soft Contact lenses	Drinking Cups
Fan Belts	Car Enamel	Shaving Cream	Ammonia
Refrigerators	Golf Balls	Toothpaste (Yuck)	Gasoline

: crickets: from berg80

 

[berg80]

What would make even more sense

is NOT shutting down a working power plant with no plan to replace the electricity it now poduces.

Why become dependent on a power source that is so vulnerable to attack?

Once again you find yourself on the wrong side of the issue.

President Donald Trump’s attack on solar and wind projects threatens to raise energy prices for consumers and undermine a stretched electric grid that’s already straining to meet rapidly growing demand, renewable energy executives warn.

Trump has long said wind power turbines are unattractive and endanger birds, and that solar installations take up too much land. This week, he said his administration will not approve solar and wind projects, the latest salvo in a campaign the president has waged against the renewable energy industry since taking office.

“We will not approve wind or farmer destroying Solar,” Trump posted on Truth Social Wednesday. “The days of stupidity are over in the USA!!!”

Trump’s statement this week seemed to confirm industry fears that the Interior Department will block federal permits for solar and wind projects. Interior Secretary Doug Burgum took control of all permit approvals last month in a move that the American Clean Power Association criticized as “obstruction,” calling it “unprecedented political review.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/08/24/solar-wind-renewable-trump-tariff-utility-tax-credit-itc-ptc-obbb-electricity-price.html

“The days of stupidity are over in the USA!!!” Actually, they have about 3 1/2 years to go.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

President Donald Trump’s attack on solar and wind projects threatens to raise energy prices for consumers and undermine a stretched electric grid that’s already straining to meet rapidly growing demand, renewable energy executives warn.

Ending wasteful spending on unreliable, more expensive wind and solar will save tax dollars are make energy more affordable.

 

[Marener]

This thread is proof that Trump supporters will accept any shitty excuse from their daddy.

 

[imawhosure]

Trump Administration Orders Work Halted on Wind Farm That Is Nearly Built​

At the same time as it thwarts the wind industry, the Trump administration has taken several steps to boost oil and gas as well as coal, the dirtiest and most expensive fossil fuel when it comes to burning it for electricity.

The Energy Department on Thursday extended an emergency order compelling a Michigan coal-burning power plant to stay open past its retirement date. The department has issued several orders to keep coal plants running past their planned closure dates, even in cases where the operators never sought an extension and ratepayers would shoulder the costs of complying.

“This administration has it exactly backward,” said Kit Kennedy, managing director for power at the Natural Resources Defense Council, an environmental group. “It’s trying to prop up clunky, polluting coal plants while doing all it can to halt the fastest-growing energy sources of the future — solar and wind power.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/22/climate/trump-administration-halts-revolution-wind.html

The thread title applies to the trump government in many ways, but it's especially true when it comes to energy policy. It's one thing not to support progress and quite another to get in its way.

It’s also the case that, though the Trump administration is working to stymie the clean power business and some environmental groups are struggling, the economics of the energy transition have a momentum of their own.

This year, roughly half of all new generating capacity in the United States, some 33 gigawatts, is expected to come from solar energy. And while the growth of clean energy is slowing, it is still poised to be up 7 percent in the U.S. this year.

That growth is driven by the fact that, on balance, it is now cheaper and faster to build clean energy in the United States than it is to build new fossil fuel capacity, such as gas plants.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/21/climate/climate-solutions-local.html

Economic reality has a way of transcending politics, and stupidity. However, if there are ways to shift the cost of building polluting fossil fuel plants in their favor I have no doubt the Energy Dept. will try to find it. Because it appears trump wants the regression of clean energy projects to be part of his already disastrous legacy.

Another thread, another fail by DERbergHOF!

None of you LEFTISTS, not a one of you, ever say----------->Let the free market decide, because you know you will lose! You post links to LEFTIST LOON sites, obscure sites, and SOCIALIST sites..........not to mention some that probably are funded by the Kremlin.

QUESTION--------->IS ANY PERSON in this country preventing you from purchasing an electric vehicle? Is any person in this country ADVOCATING that the Federal Government add unfair taxes on to the green energy consortium?

IF NOT, then what you are trying to argue is MAN MADE CLIMATE CHANGE through a back door, which has now been debunked!

So please, if you are going to start a thread, make it a reasonable debate, and not a back door into LEFTIST FANTASY!

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Trump Administration Orders Work Halted on Wind Farm That Is Nearly Built​

At the same time as it thwarts the wind industry, the Trump administration has taken several steps to boost oil and gas as well as coal, the dirtiest and most expensive fossil fuel when it comes to burning it for electricity.

The Energy Department on Thursday extended an emergency order compelling a Michigan coal-burning power plant to stay open past its retirement date. The department has issued several orders to keep coal plants running past their planned closure dates, even in cases where the operators never sought an extension and ratepayers would shoulder the costs of complying.

“This administration has it exactly backward,” said Kit Kennedy, managing director for power at the Natural Resources Defense Council, an environmental group. “It’s trying to prop up clunky, polluting coal plants while doing all it can to halt the fastest-growing energy sources of the future — solar and wind power.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/22/climate/trump-administration-halts-revolution-wind.html

The thread title applies to the trump government in many ways, but it's especially true when it comes to energy policy. It's one thing not to support progress and quite another to get in its way.

It’s also the case that, though the Trump administration is working to stymie the clean power business and some environmental groups are struggling, the economics of the energy transition have a momentum of their own.

This year, roughly half of all new generating capacity in the United States, some 33 gigawatts, is expected to come from solar energy. And while the growth of clean energy is slowing, it is still poised to be up 7 percent in the U.S. this year.

That growth is driven by the fact that, on balance, it is now cheaper and faster to build clean energy in the United States than it is to build new fossil fuel capacity, such as gas plants.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/21/climate/climate-solutions-local.html

Economic reality has a way of transcending politics, and stupidity. However, if there are ways to shift the cost of building polluting fossil fuel plants in their favor I have no doubt the Energy Dept. will try to find it. Because it appears trump wants the regression of clean energy projects to be part of his already disastrous legacy.

meh, we went through the same thing with nuclear power, so clean its almost pure and certainly a much better delivery system for energy than windmills, if we don't go nuke then fossil fuels will win the day by default and the anti nuke crowd has only itself to blame.