“This administration has it exactly backward,”

[Lesh]

So, where would we get electricity to replace the coal plant you want to shut down? Even if the windmill were to be built, it makes sense to wait until it is up and running before shutting down a producing plant.

Or . . . do you want a shortage, so that electricity bills go up and you can blame Trump?

What would make sense

Is NOT shutting down an energy source that is nearly completed

 

[petro]

You can't even build or run a windmill without a shit load of petroleum products.

 

[berg80]

So, where would we get electricity to replace the coal plant you want to shut down? Even if the windmill were to be built, it makes sense to wait until it is up and running before shutting down a producing plant.

Or . . . do you want a shortage, so that electricity bills go up and you can blame Trump?

Energy production in the US is not in perfect balance. Maybe you need to sit in a corner and consider fully the ramifications of that reality.

While you are contemplating that, answer this. Are you in favor of this policy?

Trump says U.S. will not approve solar or wind power projects​

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/08/20/trump-says-us-will-not-approve-solar-or-wind-power-projects.html

 

[berg80]

If it's pissing you off then it can't be backward.

Sounds like something a 10 year old would say. That's no way to run a country.

 

[berg80]

What would make sense

Is NOT shutting down an energy source that is nearly completed

It's not the only one.

Two weeks ago, the administration said it was reversing a Biden administration decision to approve the Lava Ridge Wind Project, a giant wind farm planned for southern Idaho. The administration said it had discovered “legal deficiencies” in the original approval but did not provide details.

 

[Nostra]

 

[Nostra]

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Do you mine coal or work on an oil rig?

Rare earth mineral extraction is extremely dangerous and toxic to the workers and the environment. Comparing them against conventionals proves how extremely toxic green/clean energy is. Ive seen coal production and have been to several oil rigs. Go to africa, china, south america and you'll see how deadly clean energy is,.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

So, where would we get electricity to replace the coal plant you want to shut down? Even if the windmill were to be built, it makes sense to wait until it is up and running before shutting down a producing plant.

Or . . . do you want a shortage, so that electricity bills go up and you can blame Trump?

They have no clue. They fart out what they think are great ideas with no clue of how to get there other than to destroy everything in the process and then they're off to the next horrible idea. It truly is amazing watching such absurdity.

 

[Nostra]

https://www.michigansthumb.com/news/article/Oil-leaks-at-wind-turbines-in-the-Thumb-not-a-9150402.php

 

[Nostra]

Lubricant leaks from Essex wind turbines; raises concerns over maintenance, accountability

Wind turbines in the Town of Essex are drawing fresh scrutiny from local officials after reports of lubricant leaks, with municipal leaders raising concerns about long-term maintenance and the future of aging infrastructure.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[Nostra]

500 gallons of oil per turbine……

 

[MisterBeale]

The priority of the government should be ensuring that society has enough energy.

Energy = Economic growth.



There are realistically, only two ways to accomplish this.

First, to regulate and control the building of both crypto mining and data centers, the two largest users of energy, which are both growing industries.

The other way is to encourage the rapid building of both nuclear and coal plants, which China, our nearest competitor is doing, leaving us in its wake.


It is a simple equation any university educated student in social sciences used to learn, the more energy a society makes use of, the higher its living standards and economic output are.

Wind and solar are a waste of time and money at this point. The government has no business subsidizing either.

 

[struth]

Trump Administration Orders Work Halted on Wind Farm That Is Nearly Built​

At the same time as it thwarts the wind industry, the Trump administration has taken several steps to boost oil and gas as well as coal, the dirtiest and most expensive fossil fuel when it comes to burning it for electricity.

The Energy Department on Thursday extended an emergency order compelling a Michigan coal-burning power plant to stay open past its retirement date. The department has issued several orders to keep coal plants running past their planned closure dates, even in cases where the operators never sought an extension and ratepayers would shoulder the costs of complying.

“This administration has it exactly backward,” said Kit Kennedy, managing director for power at the Natural Resources Defense Council, an environmental group. “It’s trying to prop up clunky, polluting coal plants while doing all it can to halt the fastest-growing energy sources of the future — solar and wind power.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/22/climate/trump-administration-halts-revolution-wind.html

The thread title applies to the trump government in many ways, but it's especially true when it comes to energy policy. It's one thing not to support progress and quite another to get in its way.

It’s also the case that, though the Trump administration is working to stymie the clean power business and some environmental groups are struggling, the economics of the energy transition have a momentum of their own.

This year, roughly half of all new generating capacity in the United States, some 33 gigawatts, is expected to come from solar energy. And while the growth of clean energy is slowing, it is still poised to be up 7 percent in the U.S. this year.

That growth is driven by the fact that, on balance, it is now cheaper and faster to build clean energy in the United States than it is to build new fossil fuel capacity, such as gas plants.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/21/climate/climate-solutions-local.html

Economic reality has a way of transcending politics, and stupidity. However, if there are ways to shift the cost of building polluting fossil fuel plants in their favor I have no doubt the Energy Dept. will try to find it. Because it appears trump wants the regression of clean energy projects to be part of his already disastrous legacy.

I’m sure kit Kennedy is upset he’s not getting as much tax dollars to fund his projects that can’t make it in the market

 

[Nostra]

Until the idiot OP and his Man Made Global Warming Cult takes on China they are free to sit down and STFU.

China’s construction of new coal-power plants ‘reached 10-year high’ in 2024 - Carbon Brief

A “resurgence” in construction of new coal-fired power plants in China is “undermining the country’s...

www.carbonbrief.org

 

[Nostra]

AI Overview

While a precise, real-time "number of coal plants" is elusive, in mid-2023, China had over 300 new coal power plants in various stages of construction or planning, adding 17.1 GW to its grid in the first half of that year. Since 2022, the country has significantly increased the permitting of new coal capacity, with approvals in 2023 alone reaching 106 GW.

 

[Nostra]

Has the OP ever started a thread whining about India’s coal plants?


AI Overview

India has approximately 285 to 300 operating coal-fired power plants as of early 2025, ranking as the second-highest in the world after China. This number reflects the significant portion of the country's electricity generation that still relies on coal.

 

[Nostra]

Hey berg80 , do you still use any of these products?

Hypocrite.

Solvents	Diesel fuel	Motor Oil	Bearing Grease
Ink	Floor Wax	Ballpoint Pens	Football Cleats
Upholstery	Sweaters (that explains the itchy sweater I have at home)	Boats	Insecticides
Bicycle Tires	Sports Car Bodies	Nail Polish	Fishing lures
Dresses	Tires	Golf Bags	Perfumes
Cassettes	Dishwasher parts	Tool Boxes	Shoe Polish
Motorcycle Helmet	Caulking	Petroleum Jelly	Transparent Tape
CD Player (do people still have these?)	Faucet Washers	Antiseptics	Clothesline
Curtains	Food Preservatives	Basketballs	Soap (that explains why soap doesn’t clean oil off your hands)
Vitamin Capsules	Antihistamines	Purses	Shoes
Dashboards	Cortisone	Deodorant	Footballs
Putty	Dyes	Panty Hose	Refrigerant
Percolators	Life Jackets	Rubbing Alcohol	Linings
Skis	TV Cabinets	Shag Rugs	Electrician’s Tape
Tool Racks	Car Battery Cases	Epoxy	Paint
Mops	Slacks	Insect Repellent	Oil Filters
Umbrellas	Yarn	Fertilizers	Hair Coloring
Roofing	Toilet Seats	Fishing Rods	Lipstick
Denture Adhesive	Linoleum	Ice Cube Trays	Synthetic Rubber
Speakers	Plastic Wood	Electric Blankets	Glycerin
Tennis Rackets	Rubber Cement	Fishing Boots	Dice
Nylon Rope	Candles	Trash Bags	House Paint
Water Pipes	Hand Lotion	Roller Skates	Surf Boards
Shampoo	Wheels	Paint Rollers	Shower Curtains
Guitar Strings	Luggage	Aspirin	Safety Glasses
Antifreeze	Football Helmets	Awnings	Eyeglasses (I thought they were made from glass)
Clothes	Toothbrushes	Ice Chests	Footballs
Combs	CD’s & DVD’s	Paint Brushes	Detergents
Vaporizers	Balloons	Sun Glasses	Tents
Heart Valves	Crayons	Parachutes	Telephones
Enamel	Pillows	Dishes	Cameras
Anesthetics	Artificial Turf	Artificial limbs	Bandages
Dentures	Model Cars	Folding Doors	Hair Curlers
Cold cream	Movie film	Soft Contact lenses	Drinking Cups
Fan Belts	Car Enamel	Shaving Cream	Ammonia
Refrigerators	Golf Balls	Toothpaste (Yuck)	Gasoline

 

[Mac-7]

Energy outside of coal or oil is woke and commie and sent by Satan.

I thought everyone knew that.

Wind turbines dont make electricity all the time

Coal plants do

 

[Lesh]

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Ever see an open pit coal mine?