These are 7 year old girls for crying out loud!

[dilloduck]

They probably walk off the stage shaking their heads at the silly things they have to do. Seven year olds aren't idiots. Do we deny sports uniforms to little boys because they are too much like what adult men wear ?

I don't know about that. My own kiddos are just shy of 7, and anything but idiots. But it doesn't matter how intelligent or talented a child that age is, they're still children with a child's emotional development. And they're still far too literal and eager to please. Relying on their bodies to please other people and get ahead is a lesson too likely to be internalized for my comfort. And that's just not something I think children should be learning. Down the road you'd probably be right, when they're more developed and able to put it in perspective.

Do you seriously think that they see using their bodies to get attention is sexual ? Cartwheels ? Handstands?

 

[Gem]

Dillo Wrote:

Do we deny sports uniforms to little boys because they are too much like what adult men wear ?

Wow...ok, this thread just jumped the shark. Thanks guys, its been real.

 

[random3434]

While I agree with the people here who are saying that the issue should not be whether or not a pedophile gets aroused by the kids performance...I think that these people are missing the issue that many of us here have with this dance routine.

Pedophiles get turned on by children - it doesn't matter whether they are dressed up provocatively or not - so to say that you are putting the kids in danger because of this is just silly.

On a totally different side, however, is the argument that I have made. That a 7-year old child should not be taught to dress and perform like an adult would.

Are children sexual? Absolutely. Their sexuality is forming. But vital to an understanding of child sexuality and development is that in no way, shape or form, does the sexuality of a 7-year old resemble that of an adult female or male.

And perhaps most important to this discussion - WHY ON EARTH WOULD WE WANT IT TO?

Why would anyone think that it was a great idea to take a 7-year old girl, put her in lingerie and let her dance in ways that simulate sexual acts that she has no psychological concept of...and shouldn't...for many more years?

The fact that some are defending this routine is strange to me considering that the girls could have worn age-appropriate cool outfits, danced an amazing age-appropriate routine...and won this competition...

and they could have done it all without having to be dressed up like they were out to attract members of the opposite sex for sexual activity.

So why did they need to be dressed up that way? Why should they have to be? Why would be encouraging 7-year olds to experiment with adult sexuality (even in this form) publicly for entertainment value when there were so many other options available to the choreographer?

So you see...it has nothing to do with wanting to put women in burkas...nothing to do with wanting to trample on women's sexuality...nothing to do with a failure to admit that children have a developing sexuality of their own...

And everything to do with respecting that a child's developing sexuality is not on the same level, the same type, etc. of an adults...and therefore dressing them up and making them parrot adult sexuality...is just inappropriate.

Let these girls be girls...if they want to parrot Beyonce in their living room - great. Thats a role model they are looking at to learn how to be women some day. And if Mom and Dad are fine with Beyonce and her movements being that role model - more power to them.

But we don't need to teach 7-year olds that...even at 7...to win a competition you really need to strap on some thigh-high stockings and a bustier and shake your ass at a judge. Especially not when these girls are as talented as they are.

Gem, once again you've said what I think this is all about, just in a much better way!


I agree 100% with everything you say here. The whole concept of this quote from you:

The fact that some are defending this routine is strange to me considering that the girls could have worn age-appropriate cool outfits, danced an amazing age-appropriate routine...and won this competition...

and they could have done it all without having to be dressed up like they were out to attract members of the opposite sex for sexual activity.

So why did they need to be dressed up that way? Why should they have to be? Why would be encouraging 7-year olds to experiment with adult sexuality (even in this form) publicly for entertainment value when there were so many other options available to the choreographer?

Sums up my feelings perfectly. Thank you.

 

[random3434]

Dillo Wrote:

Do we deny sports uniforms to little boys because they are too much like what adult men wear ?

Wow...ok, this thread just jumped the shark. Thanks guys, its been real.

Please don't go because of Dillo. You know how he is, always wanting to be the class clown.

You are the most sane person in this thread Gem!

 

[dilloduck]

Dillo Wrote:

Do we deny sports uniforms to little boys because they are too much like what adult men wear ?

Wow...ok, this thread just jumped the shark. Thanks guys, its been real.

Please don't go because of Dillo. You know how he is, always wanting to be the class clown.

You are the most sane person in this thread Gem!

Sorry---I didn't realize this conversation was only limited to protecting little girls from becoming sexualized too quickly.

 

[goldcatt]

They probably walk off the stage shaking their heads at the silly things they have to do. Seven year olds aren't idiots. Do we deny sports uniforms to little boys because they are too much like what adult men wear ?

I don't know about that. My own kiddos are just shy of 7, and anything but idiots. But it doesn't matter how intelligent or talented a child that age is, they're still children with a child's emotional development. And they're still far too literal and eager to please. Relying on their bodies to please other people and get ahead is a lesson too likely to be internalized for my comfort. And that's just not something I think children should be learning. Down the road you'd probably be right, when they're more developed and able to put it in perspective.

Do you seriously think that they see using their bodies to get attention is sexual ? Cartwheels ? Handstands?

There's a huge difference between doing sports and putting on thigh highs and a bustier while shaking what they won't have for years and getting rewarded for it. They probably don't see it as sexual at the time, but that's a lesson that will stick with them. Girls get enough messages that their only value is in the sexual attractiveness of their bodies already, why go out of your way to reinforce it so early?

 

[dilloduck]

I don't know about that. My own kiddos are just shy of 7, and anything but idiots. But it doesn't matter how intelligent or talented a child that age is, they're still children with a child's emotional development. And they're still far too literal and eager to please. Relying on their bodies to please other people and get ahead is a lesson too likely to be internalized for my comfort. And that's just not something I think children should be learning. Down the road you'd probably be right, when they're more developed and able to put it in perspective.

Do you seriously think that they see using their bodies to get attention is sexual ? Cartwheels ? Handstands?

There's a huge difference between doing sports and putting on thigh highs and a bustier while shaking what they won't have for years and getting rewarded for it. They probably don't see it as sexual at the time, but that's a lesson that will stick with them. Girls get enough messages that their only value is in the sexual attractiveness of their bodies already, why go out of your way to reinforce it so early?

Maybe in one sense but what they are both learning is to compete. As they age they will be competing for jobs and mates. If dancing was the only thing the girls were doing in their lives I might be concerned but I bet they go to school too.

 

[asaratis]

Yes and ill help you string them all up and burn them to hell! But what does any of that have to do with the girl in a dance competition?

MY comment is clear. The dress and the provocative dance is inappropriate for7 years olds.

Who created the competition and why does it exist?

You don't care about your children. You care about YOU. You put YOUR beliefs ahead of what is best for your children and what is best for our society.

What is "Best for Our Society" is to allow individuals the freedom to decide for themselves what sleeze is.

I wouldn't want MY 7 year old daughter undulating in a bikini to Beyonce, but, if someone else wants to have their kid do it, then I'll not object. There's a gap between "sexualization" and "porn."

If you concur that the combined dance routine, music and costumes sexualized the seven year olds, why do you condone it for others but not for your own?

MY comment is clear. The dress and the provocative dance is inappropriate for7 years olds.

Who created the competition and why does it exist?

You don't care about your children. You care about YOU. You put YOUR beliefs ahead of what is best for your children and what is best for our society.

What is "Best for Our Society" is to allow individuals the freedom to decide for themselves what sleeze is.

I wouldn't want MY 7 year old daughter undulating in a bikini to Beyonce, but, if someone else wants to have their kid do it, then I'll not object. There's a gap between "sexualization" and "porn."

At 7 years old, a child is not capable of making good decisions

Some girls are not capable at seventeen.

thank you.

And you make my point as well. These girls are not at an event to draw perverts. They are a a national dance contest to compete with other dancers. The perverts come to them.

You can have perverts at a swim meet, play ground, sitting in the living room across the street from your house. Its not what the children are doing its what the fuckers are doing!

And the liberal portion of our laws protect the perverts. We cater to minorities at the expense of the majority.

I don't know any liberals who advocate the behavior of minorities. I know a LOT of brain-dead lefties that DO.
Since when were so concerned with by-definition "Rights" that pederants were acceptable? Pedophiles are a waste of natural resources.

Lead's a natural resource and should be summarily introduced into the cranium of pedophiles. Yet, our society protects them.

Why do people on this site always insist they know lots of the "worst" people? Are those the people they "hang out with"?

False conclusion. Of all my acquaintances, likely half are worth a shit. Those are the ones "hang" with. The others, I just know or know of. Larry Flint is a sleazy piece of shit. Bill Cosby is a stand up guy. I've not met either one.

My daughter would not be part of such a thing. I think it is always disgusting how parents parade their children around performing tricks for attention, like a dog show.

So very disappointing to know that so many people are cool with that. My Mom tried to put me in beauty pageants as a child, I fought her tooth and nail. I always thought they were shallow and harmful to the children.

Get them piano or violin lessons for goodness sakes. That will teach them class as well as helps them to use their brains and their hearts

I have twin 9 year old girls. Like my wife, they are absolutely gorgeous. I could NEVER imagine allowing them to dress or dance like those girls. But then, they would NEVER even think of dressing or dancing that way. It's all in how they are being raised. They are being raised with morals and self respect.

Whenever I see a story or documentary on the Jon Benet Ramsey case, it makes me sick to my stomach to see how her parents exploited her natural beauty. And for what?....Bragging rights?

That's it! My child is prettier than your child! My child came from my womb! It's all about me!

 

[Samson]

Do you seriously think that they see using their bodies to get attention is sexual ? Cartwheels ? Handstands?

There's a huge difference between doing sports and putting on thigh highs and a bustier while shaking what they won't have for years and getting rewarded for it. They probably don't see it as sexual at the time, but that's a lesson that will stick with them. Girls get enough messages that their only value is in the sexual attractiveness of their bodies already, why go out of your way to reinforce it so early?

Maybe in one sense but what they are both learning is to compete. As they age they will be competing for jobs and mates. If dancing was the only thing the girls were doing in their lives I might be concerned but I bet they go to school too.

NOOOO.....To the contrary...I'm certain all these girl's fathers have aspirations of proudly going into some Gentleman's Club at pointing out thier daughters to all their friends.

Then all his buddies will clap him on the back, congratulate him, and proclaim, "Hell, I remember when little Bambi was only an "A-cup!!"

 

[goldcatt]

Do you seriously think that they see using their bodies to get attention is sexual ? Cartwheels ? Handstands?

There's a huge difference between doing sports and putting on thigh highs and a bustier while shaking what they won't have for years and getting rewarded for it. They probably don't see it as sexual at the time, but that's a lesson that will stick with them. Girls get enough messages that their only value is in the sexual attractiveness of their bodies already, why go out of your way to reinforce it so early?

Maybe in one sense but what they are both learning is to compete. As they age they will be competing for jobs and mates. If dancing was the only thing the girls were doing in their lives I might be concerned but I bet they go to school too.

I'm sure they do. And I have no problem with kids competing - or performing - as long as it's age appropriate. As they grow of course they will compete for mates, but they can learn how to strut their stuff when they're old enough to put it in perspective. This routine and the costumes would have been fine for older children who have the capability of just shaking their heads and laughing at the silly things they had to do to win. I can't see little girls this age being ready to do that yet, they're too immature in a lot of ways. As they should be.

 

[dilloduck]

So is the real question here how to properly raise a girl so that she understands all the ins and outs of being an adult female and all that entails ?
If so---what is it she needs to learn?

 

[goldcatt]

So is the real question here how to properly raise a girl so that she understands all the ins and outs of being an adult female and all that entails ?
If so---what is it she needs to learn?

Now that's a dissertation, not a post.

 

[Samson]

MY comment is clear. The dress and the provocative dance is inappropriate for7 years olds.

Who created the competition and why does it exist?

You don't care about your children. You care about YOU. You put YOUR beliefs ahead of what is best for your children and what is best for our society.

What is "Best for Our Society" is to allow individuals the freedom to decide for themselves what sleeze is.

I wouldn't want MY 7 year old daughter undulating in a bikini to Beyonce, but, if someone else wants to have their kid do it, then I'll not object. There's a gap between "sexualization" and "porn."

If you concur that the combined dance routine, music and costumes sexualized the seven year olds, why do you condone it for others but not for your own?

I don't tell others what to do with their kids, unless its clearly abusive. If these girls were being forced to dance nude, then it would be porn. There's no law against "sexualization," whatever the hell that means (any girl without a burka?)

 

[RadiomanATL]

So is the real question here how to properly raise a girl so that she understands all the ins and outs of being an adult female and all that entails ?
If so---what is it she needs to learn?

Sammich making ain't all that hard.





I'm running away now...

 

[dilloduck]

So is the real question here how to properly raise a girl so that she understands all the ins and outs of being an adult female and all that entails ?
If so---what is it she needs to learn?

Sammich making ain't all that hard.





I'm running away now...

Well besides the obvious

 

[Samson]

Some girls are not capable at seventeen.

True => Why parents are allowed to make decisions for them before they are adults.

If the parents of 7 year olds are comfortable having their daughters prance around like pole dancers, then who are we to argue. If someone wanted me to wrap my daughter up in a burka before she left the house, I'd thellem to ****-off and mind their own business.

 

[asaratis]

What is "Best for Our Society" is to allow individuals the freedom to decide for themselves what sleeze is.

I wouldn't want MY 7 year old daughter undulating in a bikini to Beyonce, but, if someone else wants to have their kid do it, then I'll not object. There's a gap between "sexualization" and "porn."

If you concur that the combined dance routine, music and costumes sexualized the seven year olds, why do you condone it for others but not for your own?

I don't tell others what to do with their kids, unless its clearly abusive. If these girls were being forced to dance nude, then it would be porn. There's no law against "sexualization," whatever the hell that means (any girl without a burka?)

If you think it bad for your seven year old daughter, you should think it bad for the five in the video. Your child is no more deserving of protection from exploitation than those girls.

 

[dilloduck]

If you concur that the combined dance routine, music and costumes sexualized the seven year olds, why do you condone it for others but not for your own?

I don't tell others what to do with their kids, unless its clearly abusive. If these girls were being forced to dance nude, then it would be porn. There's no law against "sexualization," whatever the hell that means (any girl without a burka?)

If you think it bad for your seven year old daughter, you should think it bad for the five in the video. Your child is no more deserving of protection from exploitation than those girls.

interesting----is that what the parents of these girls are neglecting to do ? Protect their daughters from exploitation ?

 

[HUGGY]

OOOOKKKKKkkkk....

From what I read this morning... What most of you(Echo) believe is...you should run out and boycott Toys R Us immediately... Those baby dolls being sold are at the expense and exploitation of little girls being forced to consider having babies and the only logical conclusion for the 7 year old girl is to have to deal with how babies are made.

What could be more sexually exploitive than that?

Dancing competition for the attention and approval of thier parents and judges is nothing compared to handing a young girl a plastic model of a new born baby and throwing the poor kid into dealing with childbirth.

 

[goldcatt]

Some girls are not capable at seventeen.

True => Why parents are allowed to make decisions for them before they are adults.

If the parents of 7 year olds are comfortable having their daughters prance around like pole dancers, then who are we to argue. If someone wanted me to wrap my daughter up in a burka before she left the house, I'd thellem to ****-off and mind their own business.

It's a free country. But then I don't want to hear those same parents complaining if they end up with a teenage daughter with anorexia, or who turns up pregnant or worse. After all, it's all about displaying and using their bodies in a sexual way specifically to please other people and get their approval. That's what's worth working for and what gets them rewarded, right?

Not all girls who get roped into this stuff will go that route of course, but no thanks anyway.