There is no radical Islam without Islam; however, there is no Islam without radical Islam.

[garion13a5]

Hello,

There is no Radical Islam without Islam; however, there is no Islam without Radical Islam. Accepting Islam means accepting terror, human rights abuses, homophobia and Sharia Law. Considering the number of problems we already have, why do we want to exacerbate our problems by allowing Muslim immigration?

garion13a5

 

[aris2chat]

Hello,

There is no Radical Islam without Islam; however, there is no Islam without Radical Islam. Accepting Islam means accepting terror, human rights abuses, homophobia and Sharia Law. Considering the number of problems we already have, why do we want to exacerbate our problems by allowing Muslim immigration?

garion13a5

and you will get a headache figuring out how to separate them

 

[BULLDOG]

How is that different from saying there is no Christianity without Westborough Baptist Church? They have bible verses to support each and every hateful belief that they have. Christians accept the same Bible that Westborough does. Just because some people use their own religious teachings in out of context or inappropriate ways for modern life doesn't mean all believers of that faith do.

 

[aris2chat]

How is that different from saying there is no Christianity without Westborough Baptist Church? They have bible verses to support each and every hateful belief that they have. Christians accept the same Bible that Westborough does. Just because some people use their own religious teachings in out of context or inappropriate ways for modern life doesn't mean all believers of that faith do.

if you shut down WBC the Christian world would not call for jihad

 

[waltky]

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[Rustic]

How is that different from saying there is no Christianity without Westborough Baptist Church? They have bible verses to support each and every hateful belief that they have. Christians accept the same Bible that Westborough does. Just because some people use their own religious teachings in out of context or inappropriate ways for modern life doesn't mean all believers of that faith do.

Christians do not define Christianity.
Muslims define Islam

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Hello,

There is no Radical Islam without Islam; however, there is no Islam without Radical Islam. Accepting Islam means accepting terror, human rights abuses, homophobia and Sharia Law. Considering the number of problems we already have, why do we want to exacerbate our problems by allowing Muslim immigration?

garion13a5

Textbook example of a circular reasoning fallacy, and the thread premise fails as a consequence.

It comes as no surprise that those who are bigots are incapable of rational thought.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

How is that different from saying there is no Christianity without Westborough Baptist Church? They have bible verses to support each and every hateful belief that they have. Christians accept the same Bible that Westborough does. Just because some people use their own religious teachings in out of context or inappropriate ways for modern life doesn't mean all believers of that faith do.

Christians do not define Christianity.
Muslims define Islam

As if on cue, a hateful bigot incapable of rational thought.

 

[BULLDOG]

How is that different from saying there is no Christianity without Westborough Baptist Church? They have bible verses to support each and every hateful belief that they have. Christians accept the same Bible that Westborough does. Just because some people use their own religious teachings in out of context or inappropriate ways for modern life doesn't mean all believers of that faith do.

if you shut down WBC the Christian world would not call for jihad

If you shut down the terrorists, the Muslim world would not call for jihad.

 

[BULLDOG]

How is that different from saying there is no Christianity without Westborough Baptist Church? They have bible verses to support each and every hateful belief that they have. Christians accept the same Bible that Westborough does. Just because some people use their own religious teachings in out of context or inappropriate ways for modern life doesn't mean all believers of that faith do.

Christians do not define Christianity.
Muslims define Islam

Of course Christians define Christianity. What planet are you from?

 

[BULLDOG]

How is that different from saying there is no Christianity without Westborough Baptist Church? They have bible verses to support each and every hateful belief that they have. Christians accept the same Bible that Westborough does. Just because some people use their own religious teachings in out of context or inappropriate ways for modern life doesn't mean all believers of that faith do.

Christians do not define Christianity.
Muslims define Islam

As if on cue, a hateful bigot incapable of rational thought.

It's the truth...
Islam is the most violent cult the world has ever seen.
CRIMES OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD

Muslims are sanctified by the blood of murdered kafirs. If the prophet of Islam, Mohammed, was alive today he would be sitting on death row somewhere waiting for his execution.

What is important to understand is that none of these depraved and criminal acts are seen as crimes to Muslims, except if they are committed by someone else. They are all holy, divine acts that their own prophet indulged in and therefore they have been given the stamp of validation as the moral code to be emulated by all Muslim men. They are all Sunna [The traditional portion of Muslim law based on Muhammad’s words or acts, accepted (together with the Koran) as authoritative by Muslims].

• Molested his wife – six-year-old Baby Aisha. One of Baby Aisha’s wifely duties was to clean semen stains from the prophet’s clothes. The prophet would take a bath with Baby Aisha and ‘thigh’ with Baby Aisha, meaning she was too small to be penetrated so he would take his penis and rub it up and down her thighs and against her vagina. Being a man of ‘mercy’ he did not penetrate Baby Aisha until she was nine.

• Raped Baby Aisha when she was nine (texts have altered her age when Muslims could not explain why their prophet married and consummated the marriage with a small child. Koranic texts makes it clear that Mohammed married her when she was six years old. For a marriage to be legally deemed valid it had to be sexually consummated. The Hadith clearly proves that Mohammed was a notorious pedophile). Advocated sex with baby girls.

• Raped a retarded woman. Murdered a woman. Had sex with his dead aunt.

• Captured women and raped them. Kept women as sex slaves. Muhammad had sex with 61 women: many he raped. There is no consensual sex between a child girl and a man. There is no consensual sex between a master and his sex slave. There is no consensual sex between a woman conquered in war and her husband conqueror. All such sexual acts are rape. RAPE IS RAPE.

• Had eleven wives at one time. Sexually abused his wives. Raped his wives. Forced sex during their menstruation including Baby Aisha. Mentally abused his wives. Can you imagine taking a child (or any aged woman) and molesting with your hand/fist her menstruating vagina?

• Beheaded his enemies. 600/900 Jewish men at one massacre. Had Jewish boys as young as 13 years old beheaded after pulling down their pants and inspecting groin for pubic hair.

• Ordered the murder, torture, terrorization of Christians and Jews if they did not convert to Islam. Forced Christians and Jews from Saudi Arabia (the mass exile).

• Assassinated people for insulting him or Islam. Established totalitarian rule. Had followers and their families burnt alive in their homes for missing prayer.

• Ordered the extermination, torture and terrorization of kafirs. Instigated 60 massacres and personally participated in 27 of them.

• Owned and sold slaves. Enslaved women and children.

• Called his black slaves pug noses and compared them to Satan.

• Treated his black slaves as beasts of burden.

• Lied and cheated. Mohammed encouraged his men to lie to deceive someone in order to get what he wanted.

• Caused division and hatred. Ordered no befriending with Christians and Jews.

• Subjugated and oppressed Muslim women. Required them to cover their faces.

• Married his daughter–in–law.

• Approved prostitution.

• Encouraged the rape of women in front of their husbands.

• Recommended wife beating. Hit his wife – Baby Aisha.

• Murdered prisoners of war. Committed acts of terror.

• Advocated suicide attacks.

• Executed apostates and homosexuals.

• Beat children who didn’t pray. Abolished adoption.

• Honor killings of Muslim women and children.

• Beat alcoholics. Lied.

• Stoned adulators to death. Stoned a woman to death after she had given birth.

• Ordered thief’s hands/feet chopped off.

• Tortured a man out of greed.

• Looted and plundered.

• Preached hate for people of other religions.

• Extorted money from other religions

• Forced conversions to Islam

• Allowed his companions to execute, behead, rape and enslave.

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References to prophet Mohammed’s crimes:

Hat tip to our reader Craig for the due diligence in providing the references to these claims.

— Muhammad’s marriage to 6yr old Aisha-(Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234 and 236).

— Aisha cleans Muhammad’s semen stains-(Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 4, Number 229-233),

— Muhammad fondling Aisha during her ‘Menses’- (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 6, Number 298-300, Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 1, Number 0270)

— Muhammad liked to have intercourse with Aisha and his other wives when they were menstruating (Sahih Muslim, Book 003, Number 0577-0579),

— He also loved to recite the Quran when his wives were in Menses while lying between their legs!-(Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 6, Number 296), (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 93, Number 639)

— Muhammad married his adopted Son’s wife called ‘Zaynab’ after lusting for her and then banned Adoption in Islam- (Surah 33:37,Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 305, Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3330, Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 93, Number 516,The History of Al-Tabari: The Victory of Islam, translated by Michael Fishbein, 1997], Volume VIII, pp. 2-3)

— Muhammad having sex with his dead Aunt in the Grave-( “Kanz Al Umal” (The Treasure of the Workers, by Ali Ibn Husam Aldin, commonly known as Al-Mutaki Al-Hindi. He based his book on the hadiths and sayings listed in “Al-Jami Al-Saghir,” written by Jalal ul-Din Al-Suyuti.)

— ‘I (Muhammad) put on her my shirt that she may wear the clothes of heaven, and I slept with her in her coffin (grave) that I may lessen the pressure of the grave. She was the best of Allah’s creatures to me after Abu Talib’… The prophet was referring to Fatima , the mother of Ali. “The Arabic word used here for slept is “Id’tajat,” and literally means “lay down” with her. It is often used to mean, “Lay down to have sex.”

— Muhammad and the Quran sanctioned sex with your wives and ‘married’ slave girls-(Quran – 70:22-30, 23:5,6, 4:24, 33:50), — Muhammad speaks of sex with Slave Girls- (Sahih Bukhari – Volume 3, #432, Volume 9, #506, Volume 5, #637, Sahih Muslim, Volume 2, #3371)

— Muhammad disagreed with ‘coitus interruptus’ with slave girls- he supported RAPE.

— Muhammad forces a 17 yr old Jewish girl called Safiyyah to marry him and rapes her on the same day her husband and family are killed in the battle of Khaibar (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 522, Volume 1, Book 8, Number 367).

— Al Tabari reported in his (‘The History of al-Tabari: The Victory of Islam’, Translated by Michael Fishbein) that even some of Muhammad’s wives and companions were shocked that he forced Safiyyah to marry him after beheading her husband, brother and father.

There can be just as impressive and violent a list made from stories in the Bible, and Christian history.

 

[aris2chat]

How is that different from saying there is no Christianity without Westborough Baptist Church? They have bible verses to support each and every hateful belief that they have. Christians accept the same Bible that Westborough does. Just because some people use their own religious teachings in out of context or inappropriate ways for modern life doesn't mean all believers of that faith do.

if you shut down WBC the Christian world would not call for jihad

If you shut down the terrorists, the Muslim world would not call for jihad.

not so for all terrorist groups

 

[skye]

Hello,

There is no Radical Islam without Islam; however, there is no Islam without Radical Islam. Accepting Islam means accepting terror, human rights abuses, homophobia and Sharia Law. Considering the number of problems we already have, why do we want to exacerbate our problems by allowing Muslim immigration?

garion13a5

You are 100% correct.

However, the main threat comes from a well defined section of Islam and that is the Arabs, who are the most heavily influenced by the Wahabi sect and also apart from the Arabs, countries like Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran.

For example in Asia, Islam is less severe.

No matter where they come from Muslims, generally have a different culture and lifestyle which means they will never integrate and there will always be problems with the host country.

As the West seems to be "in love" with radical Islam and most of the immigrants come from countries under its influence, huge consequences will have to be paid.

 

[BULLDOG]

How is that different from saying there is no Christianity without Westborough Baptist Church? They have bible verses to support each and every hateful belief that they have. Christians accept the same Bible that Westborough does. Just because some people use their own religious teachings in out of context or inappropriate ways for modern life doesn't mean all believers of that faith do.

if you shut down WBC the Christian world would not call for jihad

If you shut down the terrorists, the Muslim world would not call for jihad.

not so for all terrorist groups

We aren't talking about all terrorist groups dummy. I'm sure the KKK and militias would continue as always.

 

[aris2chat]

How is that different from saying there is no Christianity without Westborough Baptist Church? They have bible verses to support each and every hateful belief that they have. Christians accept the same Bible that Westborough does. Just because some people use their own religious teachings in out of context or inappropriate ways for modern life doesn't mean all believers of that faith do.

if you shut down WBC the Christian world would not call for jihad

If you shut down the terrorists, the Muslim world would not call for jihad.

not so for all terrorist groups

We aren't talking about all terrorist groups dummy. I'm sure the KKK and militias would continue as always.

there are 80 some muslim based terror groups.

 

[BULLDOG]

How is that different from saying there is no Christianity without Westborough Baptist Church? They have bible verses to support each and every hateful belief that they have. Christians accept the same Bible that Westborough does. Just because some people use their own religious teachings in out of context or inappropriate ways for modern life doesn't mean all believers of that faith do.

if you shut down WBC the Christian world would not call for jihad

If you shut down the terrorists, the Muslim world would not call for jihad.

not so for all terrorist groups

We aren't talking about all terrorist groups dummy. I'm sure the KKK and militias would continue as always.

there are 80 some muslim based terror groups.

There are 1,600,000,000 Muslims.

 

[aris2chat]

if you shut down WBC the Christian world would not call for jihad

If you shut down the terrorists, the Muslim world would not call for jihad.

not so for all terrorist groups

We aren't talking about all terrorist groups dummy. I'm sure the KKK and militias would continue as always.

there are 80 some muslim based terror groups.

There are 1,600,000,000 Muslims.

and 3 major and 70 other sects

 

[BULLDOG]

If you shut down the terrorists, the Muslim world would not call for jihad.

not so for all terrorist groups

We aren't talking about all terrorist groups dummy. I'm sure the KKK and militias would continue as always.

there are 80 some muslim based terror groups.

There are 1,600,000,000 Muslims.

and 3 major and 70 other sects

And how many of those 3 major groups or the other 70 sects are actually supporting the terrorists? I;m not asking about some people from those groups, but the entire groups. How many of them are participants in terrorism? I'll need some proof for the number you claim.

 

[aris2chat]

not so for all terrorist groups

We aren't talking about all terrorist groups dummy. I'm sure the KKK and militias would continue as always.

there are 80 some muslim based terror groups.

There are 1,600,000,000 Muslims.

and 3 major and 70 other sects

And how many of those 3 major groups or the other 70 sects are actually supporting the terrorists? I;m not asking about some people from those groups, but the entire groups. How many of them are participants in terrorism? I'll need some proof for the number you claim.

the three major and at least 10 others

some of the other sects are rather isolated and obscure, many are considered heretics to the majority of muslims

 

[BULLDOG]

We aren't talking about all terrorist groups dummy. I'm sure the KKK and militias would continue as always.

there are 80 some muslim based terror groups.

There are 1,600,000,000 Muslims.

and 3 major and 70 other sects

And how many of those 3 major groups or the other 70 sects are actually supporting the terrorists? I;m not asking about some people from those groups, but the entire groups. How many of them are participants in terrorism? I'll need some proof for the number you claim.

the three major and at least 10 others

some of the other sects are rather isolated and obscure, many are considered heretics to the majority of muslims

Some proof to back that up? Sorry, but your statement isn't proof.