There is a difference

[Churchill]

Quantrill

I’m paraphrasing but he stated the Jewish people should have their “ own space “ ( my words) rather then their own State. I don’t think the Arabs would have accepted that either

Why paraphrase? it's a short letter, why not quote him?

Take his remarks about immigration, Israeli law explicitly favors Jews. A Jew born in Brooklyn has a right to emigrate and get Israeli citizenship but an Arab born in Egypt gets not such privilege, this is just one example of this racial bias.

I tire of pointing these things out to people, it amazes me how they've been brainwashed so easily.

 

[Quantrill]

He is extremely stupid with a one track mind. During the Holocaust there were a lot of Germans who turned against the Jews. But there were those who believed them and helped them either escape or hide them

That is true. And even some German soldiers, before the death camps were built, who were ordered to execute many Jews by shooting them, became so depressed that their officers were issuing complaints to the high ups in government that the impact upon the soldiers is not good and demoralizing. Which would result in the building of the death camps for mass execution by gas.

Quantrill

 

[gipper]

I would support the mass murder of Jews? You’re right..,, Who wouldn’t object to the mass murder of their own people ?

You would. Because you always obey authority. You are a brainwashed drone.

 

[Quantrill]

If you think Jesus supports the Zionist apartheid regime committing genocide, you’re delusional.

(Joshua 5:13-14) "And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant. And the captain of the LORD's host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off they foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so."

Genocide has never been a problem with God. And when He delivers it, it is just and right. Jesus has no problem with genocide when it is against those who are against His people.

Jesus most certainly supports Israel being established back in the land as God has brought her there. Which means Jesus supports Israel defending herself against all who try and remove her from the land. And when Jesus Christ returns, you will see Him as the God/Man. And to his enemies, it won't be pretty.

(Isaiah 63:1-4) "Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save.

"Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadet in the winefat?

"I have trodden the winpress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinlkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my garments.

"For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come."

When Jesus returns He will be covered in blood once again. But it won't be His blood. It will be His enemies blood.

Quanrill

 

[gipper]

(Joshua 5:13-14) "And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant. And the captain of the LORD's host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off they foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so."

Genocide has never been a problem with God. And when He delivers it, it is just and right. Jesus has no problem with genocide when it is against those who are against His people.

Jesus most certainly supports Israel being established back in the land as God has brought her there. Which means Jesus supports Israel defending herself against all who try and remove her from the land. And when Jesus Christ returns, you will see Him as the God/Man. And to his enemies, it won't be pretty.

(Isaiah 63:1-4) "Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save.

"Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadet in the winefat?

"I have trodden the winpress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinlkled upon my garments, and I will stan all my garments.

"For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come."

When Jesus returns He will be covered in blood once again. But it won't be His blood. It will be His enemies blood.

Quanrill

Christian Zionists aren’t Christians. You are the anti-Christ.

Watch Schindler’s List and replaced the Nazis with the Zionists. Then you’ll understand.

 

[Quantrill]

Why paraphrase? it's a short letter, why not quote him?

Take his remarks about immigration, Israeli law explicitly favors Jews. A Jew born in Brooklyn has a right to emigrate and get Israeli citizenship but an Arab born in Egypt gets not such privilege, this is just one example of this racial bias.

I tire of pointing these things out to people, it amazes me how they've been brainwashed so easily.

Race makes all the difference in the world. It certainly did to God. Why shouldn't Israel be faithful to that?

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Christian Zionists aren’t Christians. You are the anti-Christ.

Watch Schindler’s List and replaced the Nazis with the Zionists. Then you’ll understand.

My understanding comes from the Bible. Not from a movie. And I have no idea what you're trying to say.

Quantrill

 

[Lisa558]

Why are so many opposed to Jews have one tiny little nation-state of their own, where they are the majority, given the wish by so many that they be exterminated from the Earth (or at least accepting of it if it happens)?

The Muslims have at least 20 countries where they are the majority. The Christians have more than 100. The Buddhists have seven. Even the Hindus have three (and one is India - gigantic).

So why can’t the Jews have the tiny plot of land the size of New Jersey that has been their homeland for 4,000 years?

 

[Quantrill]

Why are so many opposed to Jews have one tiny little nation-state of their own, where they are the majority, given the wish by so many that they be exterminated from the Earth (or at least accepting of it if it happens)?

The Muslims have at least 20 countries where they are the majority. The Christians have more than 100. The Buddhists have seven. Even the Hindus have three (and one is India - gigantic).

So why can’t the Jews have the tiny plot of land the size of New Jersey that has been their homeland for 4,000 years?

Because there is God. And there is the spiritual warfare taking place which is fleshed out on the earth. The angelic hosts are at war with each other. The center of God's work on the earth is and will always be Jerusalem, and Israel. Thus the spiritual war against it.

That specific land is God's land. (Lev. 25:23) "The land shall not be sold for ever; for the land is mine...."

Quantrill

 

[USAF 2023]

You would. Because you always obey authority. You are a brainwashed drone.

Keep convincing yourself. I know it makes you feel a LOT Better

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Oooh. That's a definition of "Zionist" that I haven't heard before. "Satanic Perversion". The confidence in recognizing a Satanic Perversion at the young age of preschool is also pretty impressive.

There is nobody in my sphere, none of my Jewish relatives who support this

It’s a mental illness to believe this is the Israel Genesis tells us to support

 

[USAF 2023]

Why paraphrase? it's a short letter, why not quote him?

Take his remarks about immigration, Israeli law explicitly favors Jews. A Jew born in Brooklyn has a right to emigrate and get Israeli citizenship but an Arab born in Egypt gets not such privilege, this is just one example of this racial bias.

I tire of pointing these things out to people, it amazes me how they've been brainwashed so easily.

Please tell us why an Egyptian would want to move to Israel . I guess their choice of 22 Countries isn’t enough
Say the Jews had a “ area” where they had their own identity If it was a “ open door” it wouldn’t be theirs anymore; would it? But it’s OK for other groups That’s racial biases

 

[Shusha]

Did you?

Einstein summarizes the reason, did you not read his letter?

Why argue? My position was actually reached after reading numerous Jewish intellectuals like Einstein, Chomsky, Pape, Finkelstein, my arguments are more or less their arguments, Jewish arguments.

I'll do no such thing. You can read what these Jews and others have to say, they explain it well with plenty of documentation and supporting evidence, why do I care whether you agree or not?

Dr. Po-Ta-To Chip? A Jewish intellectual? Please.

 

[Shusha]

Why paraphrase? it's a short letter, why not quote him?

Take his remarks about immigration, Israeli law explicitly favors Jews. A Jew born in Brooklyn has a right to emigrate and get Israeli citizenship but an Arab born in Egypt gets not such privilege, this is just one example of this racial bias.

I tire of pointing these things out to people, it amazes me how they've been brainwashed so easily.

Every country has a right to its own citizenship and immigration policies. There are dozens of countries which give preference to potential immigrants based on ancestry.

 

[Shusha]

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There is nobody in my sphere, none of my Jewish relatives who support this

It’s a mental illness to believe this is the Israel Genesis tells us to support

The words of these two repugnant individuals who are constantly being brought up as being representative of the Jewish people, Israelis, or the slur "Zionists". These two (and yes, I see you have brought a 3rd) do not represent an entire group of people.

 

[gipper]

My understanding comes from the Bible. Not from a movie. And I have no idea what you're trying to say.

Quantrill

Jesus taught peace and love. You support hate and death. Hence you are a supporter of the anti-Christ.

 

[Shusha]

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There is nobody in my sphere, none of my Jewish relatives who support this

It’s a mental illness to believe this is the Israel Genesis tells us to support

It is also disingenuous not to include the quotes in their entirety. You change the meaning when you remove words from the quotes.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It is also disingenuous not to include the quotes in their entirety. You change the meaning when you remove words from the quotes.

Yes

Because gaslighting me works so well

Why don’t you supply the missing context

 

[gipper]

Why are so many opposed to Jews have one tiny little nation-state of their own, where they are the majority, given the wish by so many that they be exterminated from the Earth (or at least accepting of it if it happens)?

The Muslims have at least 20 countries where they are the majority. The Christians have more than 100. The Buddhists have seven. Even the Hindus have three (and one is India - gigantic).

So why can’t the Jews have the tiny plot of land the size of New Jersey that has been their homeland for 4,000 years?

Zionism is Nazism.

This is what it looks like when you give Zionists everything they want. This is Zionism put into practice.
The wars.
The massacres.
The bombed-out schools and hospitals.
The millions of displaced individuals.
The invasion of Lebanon
The explosions carpeting Tehran.
The hollowed-out moonscape of Gaza.
The horrific pogroms in the West Bank.
The child amputees.
The smell of rotting corpses.
The assassinated doctors and journalists.
The blackened sky and the poisoned water.
The nonstop deluge of brain-melting propaganda.
The aggressive promotion of Islamophobia and anti-Arab racism.
The erosion of free speech rights throughout the western world.
The corrupt warmongering politicians.
The legions of online hasbara trolls.
The soaring fuel prices.
Money which could pay for social services buying bombs for Israel instead.
All the death, destruction, instability and suffering that’s being visited upon countless civilians throughout west Asia.
This is Zionism. -Caitlin Johnstone

 

[Shusha]

Yes

Because gaslighting me works so well

Why don’t you supply the missing context

The Ben Gvir one:
“We should not negotiate with those who kill our soldiers. They should be crushed to pieces, starved to death, and not resuscitated with humanitarian aid that gives them oxygen,” says Ben Gvir, who opposes a hostage deal.

“A complete siege, crush them militarily, encouraging [Palestinian] immigration and [Jewish] settlement — these are the keys to complete victory, and not a reckless deal that will release thousands of terrorists and see the IDF withdraw from territories conquered with the blood of our fighters,” Ben Gvir says.
Now, do I still think a large number of comments made by these two (Ben Gvir and Smotrich) are repugnant and odious. Yes, yes I do. As do most of the Israelis I am in contact with. Do I think this comment is repugnant. Yep. BUT, I also argue that leaving out the context of "those who kill our soldiers", clearly referring to Hamas, changes the meaning of the text. It leads to the presumption of genocidal intent that was not found in the full quote. And I think that matters.

The Eliyahu one is a misquote. He didn't say what you claimed he said. Here's the actual quote. (translated from the Hebrew original):
We need to find out what hurts them, what will overwhelm them, break their spirits. I think we can break the wind, we did it to the Nazis in Germany, they did it in Japan as well.
It’s very simple. We need to find first of all what the points are, we know that death is not what breaks them, they are people who do not value life, we press and talk to them at points that hurt us and not to them. They're a pain in their territory, land, house destruction, voluntary migration. If we can break their national dream, and that's what we should do, you slaughtered us? You won't be here. That's the central point. We should encourage them to leave the premises.

Again, are these statements odious? Sure. I am against forced (though not voluntary) ethnic cleansing. But again, the misquote points to a genocidal intent that is not in the actual quote.

By sharing misquotes like this, you are supporting the false accusation of genocide through lies and libels.