Zone1 Theoretical question regarding Christian duty to forgive

I didn’t know that God supposedly makes all souls perfect. That kind of conflicts with a notion of “original sin.”

Caring for the needs of a specific few is hardly a matter of immorality.
Explain why Christians sing of Adam's sin as a happy fault and necessary to God's plan. Would you refrain from sin and derail God's plan? Do you not recognize the great value of sin, as missing the mark?
 
Uh, how did you come up with this one?

He does not easily kill and he does not chose to kill. All entities are subject to the law of justice.

If you violate it, God can't help you.
Ok. God is thus forced to kill when he could just as easily cure. So much for his doing his own will. Go away with your inferior thinking. If all are subject to justice, including Yahweh, then he deserves hell for his genocides.
 
Explain why Christians sing of Adam's sin as a happy fault and necessary to God's plan. Would you refrain from sin and derail God's plan? Do you not recognize the great value of sin, as missing the mark?
You have very strange notions.
 
God is thus forced to kill when he could just as easily cure.
His job isn't to babysit or be a nanny.

Above all else, this life is an education....and not an easy one at that.

He cures when it serves a purpose.

And everyone dies...eventually.
So much for his doing his own will.
His and her will is in alignment with the eternities.

If it wasn't, he/she would not be who he and she are.
Go away with your inferior thinking.

Who are you to think you get to judge what is inferior or superior.

Shove it sidewasy.
If all are subject to justice, including Yahweh, then he deserves hell for his genocides.

Only from a human perspective.

But since they see million of times more than we see and have an eternal (time and breadth) perspective, I think you can pretty much accept that you are nothing more than microbe on a spec of dust in galaxy with 100 billion stars in universe with even more galaxies.

Humility does not appear to your strong suite.

Neither is intelligence.
 
Explain why Christians sing of Adam's sin as a happy fault and necessary to God's plan.
Without it we would not be here.

Would you refrain from sin and derail God's plan?
Adam's sin is referred to as a transgression. When Satan was cast out of heaven God put him on this earth where he could be a pain in the ass to men. Was that a mistake on the part of an eternal being? Don't think so. Education is often related to failure. God isn't here telling you to wipe your rear end. He's training you. If you don't listen, you often feel the consequences immediately. If you don't then, you will sometime. Your choice to sin and often learn in the process.
o you not recognize the great value of sin, as missing the mark?
That is a very nuanced question. Not a general postulate.
 
Ok. God is thus forced to kill when he could just as easily cure. So much for his doing his own will. Go away with your inferior thinking. If all are subject to justice, including Yahweh, then he deserves hell for his genocides.
Or maybe it's your shallow way of thinking.
 
It seems to me the more meaningful question would be what does it say about their state of mind if they do. I see forgiving others as more to do with me than them. Forgiving doesn't mean forgetting. When I forgive I am letting it go and letting go the power it held over me. But I'm not forgetting it like it didn't happen. I'm not erasing the memory. I am erasing the feeling the memory gives me.

With that said, examples like Hitler aren't that useful because grudges are personal and usually involve people we know personally. That's where the real test occurs.
There is such a thing as forgive and forget. I would guess any of us who reach at least middle age have forgotten most--not all but most--of the 'offenses' others committed against us. And we have forgiven those we still love and care about because we don't remember all those offenses. Most of those we do remember we remembered as events more than as offenses that angered or hurt us. That is a form of forgiveness.

And there are those offenses that we will always remember and still remember how infuriating or painful or frightening they were, but we choose not to allow them to define who we are/what kind of person we choose to be. We do not blame the offender for the who/what we are. That too is a form of forgiveness.

It is always good to not trust those who have shown us they are not trustworthy or who we know are going to lie to us, harm us, hurt us. But we do not try to punish them for how they make us feel or for whatever sin they committed. That too is a form of forgiveness.

And to not require someone to repay a debt that they owe is yet another form of forgiveness.

Some 'forgiveness' is foolish and unwise such as not holding a violent dangerous person accountable for his actions and turning him loose where he is likely to harm innocent victims. Lock such people up or otherwise ensure they can't harm the innocent. To do that but not hate the person is yet another form of forgiveness.
 
Explain why Christians sing of Adam's sin as a happy fault and necessary to God's plan. Would you refrain from sin and derail God's plan? Do you not recognize the great value of sin, as missing the mark?
Let's just put an end to this bs.
I don't know of any Christian who look happily on Adam's sin. Ask the woman in her 8th hour of birth contractions how happy she is with Eve.

Here is Paul calling you a liar:
Romans 6:1 What then shall we
say? Shall we continue in sin so that grace may increase? Certainly not! How can we who died to sin live in it any longer?

And finally, a description of the men who promote sin as a good thing, like you have here:

Jude 1:4 For certain men have crept in among you unnoticed—ungodly ones who were designated long ago for condemnation. They turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality, and they deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
 
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Let's just put an end to this bs.
I don't know of any Christian who look happily on Adam's sin. Ask the woman in her 8th hour of birth contractions how happy she is with Eve.

Here is Paul calling you a liar:
Romans 6:1 What then shall we
say? Shall we continue in sin so that grace may increase? Certainly not! How can we who died to sin live in it any longer?

And finally, a description of the men who promote sin as a good thing, like you have here:

Jude 1:4 For certain men have crept in among you unnoticed—ungodly ones who were designated long ago for condemnation. They turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality, and they deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
What would you replace humans competing and sinning with, to find our best of all fields?

There is no way to find our best without it. That is why it is necessary to God and nature.

Go ahead. Show how to take the pain out of our evolution.
 
What would you replace humans competing and sinning with, to find our best of all fields?

There is no way to find our best without it. That is why it is necessary to God and nature.

Go ahead. Show how to take the pain out of our evolution.
Jude 1:4 takes the guess work out. Jesus said it best, "Go and sin no more"...
 
Jude 1:4 takes the guess work out. Jesus said it best, "Go and sin no more"...
So you put the words of Jesus above the words of Yahweh.

Interesting how you break the First Commandment so easily.

Sin no more and sin as missing the mark are not the same are the?

When it improves your aim, missing the mark, practicing IOWDs, is quite good.

If Christians want people to see sin as evil, they should stop singing of it as a happy and necessary to God's plan.

The Jews agreed by seeing Eden as where man showed his Original Virtue, but if you can't see it, ------
 
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Which is confusing.

Why would you say something so stupid using that as a frame of reference?
Who are you to think you get to judge what is inferior or superior.

Your words, dumb ass.

How come you get different rules?

Meet me as somewhere like equal, or **** right off.
 
According to Jesus, "Whoever has seen me has seen the Father." I'm pretty sure God doesn't want us to sin.
That would be a lie, given that Christians sing of Adam's sin as a happy fault and necessary to God's plan.
"Sin: The Path to Excellence"

Sin has long been associated with moral failure, but what if we reframe it? I see sin as something essential to human growth—a necessary part of striving for excellence.

At its core, sin simply means “missing the mark.” It’s not about wickedness but about falling short of an ideal. Christianity and even Gnostic traditions acknowledge this idea in different ways. The concept of felix culpa—the “happy fault”—suggests that sin is necessary for God’s plan. Whether or not one believes in the supernatural, the wisdom of this idea is clear: missing the mark is a natural part of aiming for something greater.

To evolve, both as individuals and as a species, we must take risks and inevitably fall short. This process—of setting goals, failing, and trying again—is what drives progress. Every moment of “sin” is evidence that we’re pushing ourselves beyond our comfort zones and striving toward our best possible selves. This is what we do, consciously or unconsciously, at every point in our lives.

Even competition, often seen as divisive, is tied to this idea. Competition highlights our shortcomings, creating a contrast between where we are and where we want to be. It creates leaders, innovators, and excellence by encouraging us to improve. Of course, competition produces losers, and those losses can feel like failures or even evoke the idea of "evil." But in truth, every loss is an opportunity—a moment to learn, adapt, and grow stronger.

This is why I celebrate sin—not as a call to moral failure but as an embrace of imperfection and growth. Without sin, without missing the mark, we would have no benchmarks for greatness. There would be no leaders to inspire us, no innovators to challenge us, and no progress to drive humanity forward.

I don’t believe in the supernatural, but I see wisdom in the way ancient scribes wove this idea into their teachings. Sin, in its truest sense, is not something to avoid but something to engage with thoughtfully. It is the evidence of our striving, our courage to try, and our commitment to evolve.

So, I invite you: aim high. Take your shot. Miss the mark. Become a sinner in the best way possible. In doing so, you’ll not only create a better version of yourself but also contribute to the collective excellence of humanity.
 
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