Zone1 Theoretical question regarding Christian duty to forgive

[GreatestIam]

I didn’t know that God supposedly makes all souls perfect. That kind of conflicts with a notion of “original sin.”

Caring for the needs of a specific few is hardly a matter of immorality.

Explain why Christians sing of Adam's sin as a happy fault and necessary to God's plan. Would you refrain from sin and derail God's plan? Do you not recognize the great value of sin, as missing the mark?

 

[GreatestIam]

Uh, how did you come up with this one?

He does not easily kill and he does not chose to kill. All entities are subject to the law of justice.

If you violate it, God can't help you.

Ok. God is thus forced to kill when he could just as easily cure. So much for his doing his own will. Go away with your inferior thinking. If all are subject to justice, including Yahweh, then he deserves hell for his genocides.

 

[BackAgain]

Explain why Christians sing of Adam's sin as a happy fault and necessary to God's plan. Would you refrain from sin and derail God's plan? Do you not recognize the great value of sin, as missing the mark?

You have very strange notions.

 

[HikerGuy83]

God is thus forced to kill when he could just as easily cure.

His job isn't to babysit or be a nanny.

Above all else, this life is an education....and not an easy one at that.

He cures when it serves a purpose.

And everyone dies...eventually.

So much for his doing his own will.

His and her will is in alignment with the eternities.

If it wasn't, he/she would not be who he and she are.

Go away with your inferior thinking.

Who are you to think you get to judge what is inferior or superior.

Shove it sidewasy.

If all are subject to justice, including Yahweh, then he deserves hell for his genocides.

Only from a human perspective.

But since they see million of times more than we see and have an eternal (time and breadth) perspective, I think you can pretty much accept that you are nothing more than microbe on a spec of dust in galaxy with 100 billion stars in universe with even more galaxies.

Humility does not appear to your strong suite.

Neither is intelligence.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Explain why Christians sing of Adam's sin as a happy fault and necessary to God's plan.

Without it we would not be here.

Would you refrain from sin and derail God's plan?

Adam's sin is referred to as a transgression. When Satan was cast out of heaven God put him on this earth where he could be a pain in the ass to men. Was that a mistake on the part of an eternal being? Don't think so. Education is often related to failure. God isn't here telling you to wipe your rear end. He's training you. If you don't listen, you often feel the consequences immediately. If you don't then, you will sometime. Your choice to sin and often learn in the process.

o you not recognize the great value of sin, as missing the mark?

That is a very nuanced question. Not a general postulate.

 

[ding]

Ok. God is thus forced to kill when he could just as easily cure. So much for his doing his own will. Go away with your inferior thinking. If all are subject to justice, including Yahweh, then he deserves hell for his genocides.

Or maybe it's your shallow way of thinking.

 

[Foxfyre]

It seems to me the more meaningful question would be what does it say about their state of mind if they do. I see forgiving others as more to do with me than them. Forgiving doesn't mean forgetting. When I forgive I am letting it go and letting go the power it held over me. But I'm not forgetting it like it didn't happen. I'm not erasing the memory. I am erasing the feeling the memory gives me.

With that said, examples like Hitler aren't that useful because grudges are personal and usually involve people we know personally. That's where the real test occurs.

There is such a thing as forgive and forget. I would guess any of us who reach at least middle age have forgotten most--not all but most--of the 'offenses' others committed against us. And we have forgiven those we still love and care about because we don't remember all those offenses. Most of those we do remember we remembered as events more than as offenses that angered or hurt us. That is a form of forgiveness.

And there are those offenses that we will always remember and still remember how infuriating or painful or frightening they were, but we choose not to allow them to define who we are/what kind of person we choose to be. We do not blame the offender for the who/what we are. That too is a form of forgiveness.

It is always good to not trust those who have shown us they are not trustworthy or who we know are going to lie to us, harm us, hurt us. But we do not try to punish them for how they make us feel or for whatever sin they committed. That too is a form of forgiveness.

And to not require someone to repay a debt that they owe is yet another form of forgiveness.

Some 'forgiveness' is foolish and unwise such as not holding a violent dangerous person accountable for his actions and turning him loose where he is likely to harm innocent victims. Lock such people up or otherwise ensure they can't harm the innocent. To do that but not hate the person is yet another form of forgiveness.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Explain why Christians sing of Adam's sin as a happy fault and necessary to God's plan. Would you refrain from sin and derail God's plan? Do you not recognize the great value of sin, as missing the mark?

Let's just put an end to this bs.
I don't know of any Christian who look happily on Adam's sin. Ask the woman in her 8th hour of birth contractions how happy she is with Eve.

Here is Paul calling you a liar:
Romans 6:1 What then shall we say? Shall we continue in sin so that grace may increase? Certainly not! How can we who died to sin live in it any longer?

And finally, a description of the men who promote sin as a good thing, like you have here:

Jude 1:4 For certain men have crept in among you unnoticed—ungodly ones who were designated long ago for condemnation. They turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality, and they deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.