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[Old Rocks]

More lithium ion goodness...
https://www.google.com/amp/www.digi...vironment-know/amp/?client=ms-android-verizon

As great as lithium is for batteries, it has a dark side as well: The stuff is downright nasty. Lithium is flammable and highly reactive, as anyone who has seen photos of burning a Tesla can attest, but that’s the least of our worries. The EPA has linked the use of extremely powerful solvents in the creation of lithium electrolytes and cathodes to everything from cancer to neurological problems. Specifically, the cobalt used in the creation

I have seen plenty of burning gas and diesel powered vehicles. And the Tesla is rated as one of the safest cars available.

 

[Old Rocks]

The hydrogen charges a lithium ion battery bank. To which the EPA says...

a 2013 report, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s Design for the Environment program concluded that batteries using nickel and cobalt, like lithium-ion batteries, have the “highest potential for environmental impacts”. It cited negative consequences like mining, global warming, environmental pollution and human health impacts.
Further more; the hydrogen fuel is stored above the passenger compartment raising serious saftey concerns to the people riding with a veritable "bomb" above their heads...

How'd I do?

Dumb fuck, do you know how they 'mine' lithium? It is the cleanest mining operation that we have.

Hey cock smoker! Call the EPA and set them straight! Then explain the clean method of disposal of the old batteries...

And how do we dispose of old lead acid batteries?

Irrelevant. We're not talking about lead acid batteries...

Very relevant. We recycle lead acid batteries. And we will recycle lithium batteries, also. Lithium is too spendy to waste.

 

[Vastator]

The hydrogen charges a lithium ion battery bank. To which the EPA says...

a 2013 report, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s Design for the Environment program concluded that batteries using nickel and cobalt, like lithium-ion batteries, have the “highest potential for environmental impacts”. It cited negative consequences like mining, global warming, environmental pollution and human health impacts.
Further more; the hydrogen fuel is stored above the passenger compartment raising serious saftey concerns to the people riding with a veritable "bomb" above their heads...

How'd I do?

Dumb fuck, do you know how they 'mine' lithium? It is the cleanest mining operation that we have.

Wow that link you provided to back up your claim really settles the issue... LOL

OK, here is a link

Lithium extraction is far cleaner than oil sands, no matter what lies you read on Facebook

I made no issue with the mining alone, in regard to the problems associated with the use of Li batteries. However the EPA did have something to say about it.You can cease construction of your straw man now....

 

[Old Rocks]

But, the Tesla factory in Neveda needs all the lithium in the World? Sounds like the governments of the World are colluding to drive up the price of commodities which profits Wall Street, Banks, and World financial institutes.

Now why would that be when we have huge lithium reserves here in the US?

Where you complete idiot.

Wyoming. Oregon. Nevada. California. And many other places where no one has yet to seriously prospect for it.

 

[Vastator]

Again...

The EPA has linked the use of extremely powerful solvents in the creation of lithium electrolytes and cathodes to everything from cancer to neurological problems. Specifically, the cobalt used in the creation

 

[Old Rocks]

The hydrogen charges a lithium ion battery bank. To which the EPA says...

a 2013 report, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s Design for the Environment program concluded that batteries using nickel and cobalt, like lithium-ion batteries, have the “highest potential for environmental impacts”. It cited negative consequences like mining, global warming, environmental pollution and human health impacts.
Further more; the hydrogen fuel is stored above the passenger compartment raising serious saftey concerns to the people riding with a veritable "bomb" above their heads...

How'd I do?

Dumb fuck, do you know how they 'mine' lithium? It is the cleanest mining operation that we have.

Wow that link you provided to back up your claim really settles the issue... LOL

OK, here is a link

Lithium extraction is far cleaner than oil sands, no matter what lies you read on Facebook

I made no issue with the mining alone, in regard to the problems associated with the use of Li batteries. However the EPA did have something to say about it.You can cease construction of your straw man now....

Like hell you didn't make an issue of the mining. From your post, #28 in this thread;

"a 2013 report, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s Design for the Environment program concluded that batteries using nickel and cobalt, like lithium-ion batteries, have the “highest potential for environmental impacts”. It cited negative consequences like mining, global warming, environmental pollution and human health impacts.
Further more; the hydrogen fuel is stored above the passenger compartment raising serious saftey concerns to the people riding with a veritable "bomb" above their heads..."

 

[Old Rocks]

Again...

The EPA has linked the use of extremely powerful solvents in the creation of lithium electrolytes and cathodes to everything from cancer to neurological problems. Specifically, the cobalt used in the creation

We use very powerful solvents that are health hazards in the manufacture of almost everything. And we have methods of safely doing so. That you try to pretend that is only true for the items that are politically incorrect for your world view is just more evidence of your lack of mental competence.

 

[elektra]

Wyoming. Oregon. Nevada. California. And many other places where no one has yet to seriously prospect for it.

No commercial production in any state you mentioned you foul mouthed liar.

Georhermal brines are toxic witches brews that are expensive, difficult, and weak sources for anything. If your memory is still working you would remember that from your post about recovering rare metals from the Leathers plant in California. You got your ass handed to you in that failed post.

 

[Vastator]

Recycling of the battery is presents its own dangers. And releases pollutants....

When they do arrive at a recycling facility, the batteries meet a fiery end in a 1000 °C smelter, which separates out half of the materials for reuse. Recyclers can then sell the released steel, aluminum, copper, and cobalt to manufacturers. Volatile components like the batteries’ flammable electrolytes, the same stuff that can make accidental lithium-ion fires so explosive, pose little hazard at the smelter’s high temperature, Wiaux says.

But toxic by-products can be a problem for recyclers that are unprepared for the challenge, he says. The California recycling company Toxco suffered a string of fires at its lithium-ion battery recycling plant outside Vancouver, B.C. It will be opening a new lithium-ion reprocessing center in Lancaster, Ohio, later this year.

One problem is that many lithium-ion batteries today contain fluorine, which readily combines with hydrogen to make hydrofluoric acid (HF). In accidental battery fires, HF is noxious, dangerous to the touch, and an inhalation danger. One of the important post-smelting processes at a battery-recycling center, Wiaux says, is to neutralize the fluorine in the exhaust plume by instead creating calcium fluoride (CaF2), a harmless powder.

Another crucial safety challenge in the life of a lithium-ion battery is in transporting it from its manufacturer to the factory where it’s fitted into the phone, laptop, car, or whatever it will be powering. Here, says George Kerchner, executive director of the Portable Rechargeable Battery Association, the United Nations has done the heavy lifting. A subset of the U.N.’s Recommendations on the Transport of Dangerous Goods concerns lithium-ion batteries. And Kerchner says that electronics manufacturers who order those batteries are well advised to explicitly demand proof from the battery maker that the U.N. standards are being met before the batteries leave the originating factory floor.

“There are billions and billions of cells and batteries manufactured every year,” Kerchner says. “And the industry has a very good safety record for transporting these by all modes of transport.

About the Author
Mark Anderson is a regular contributor to IEEE Spectrum and the author of The Day the World Discovered the Sun (Perseus Books, 2012).

 

[Vastator]

The hydrogen charges a lithium ion battery bank. To which the EPA says...

a 2013 report, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s Design for the Environment program concluded that batteries using nickel and cobalt, like lithium-ion batteries, have the “highest potential for environmental impacts”. It cited negative consequences like mining, global warming, environmental pollution and human health impacts.
Further more; the hydrogen fuel is stored above the passenger compartment raising serious saftey concerns to the people riding with a veritable "bomb" above their heads...

How'd I do?

Dumb fuck, do you know how they 'mine' lithium? It is the cleanest mining operation that we have.

Wow that link you provided to back up your claim really settles the issue... LOL

OK, here is a link

Lithium extraction is far cleaner than oil sands, no matter what lies you read on Facebook

I made no issue with the mining alone, in regard to the problems associated with the use of Li batteries. However the EPA did have something to say about it.You can cease construction of your straw man now....

Like hell you didn't make an issue of the mining. From your post, #28 in this thread;

"a 2013 report, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s Design for the Environment program concluded that batteries using nickel and cobalt, like lithium-ion batteries, have the “highest potential for environmental impacts”. It cited negative consequences like mining, global warming, environmental pollution and human health impacts.
Further more; the hydrogen fuel is stored above the passenger compartment raising serious saftey concerns to the people riding with a veritable "bomb" above their heads..."

That was the EPA genius...

 

[Crick]

Do you EVER check a fact before mouthing off?

Reserves
Worldwide identified reserves in 2008 were estimated by the US Geological Survey (USGS) to be 13 million tonnes,[39] though an accurate estimate of world lithium reserves is difficult.[78][79]

Deposits are found in South America throughout the Andes mountain chain. Chile is the leading producer, followed by Argentina. Both countries recover lithium from brine pools. In the United States, lithium is recovered from brine pools in Nevada.[13] However, half the world's known reserves are located in Bolivia along the central eastern slope of the Andes. In 2009, Bolivia negotiated with Japanese, French, and Korean firms to begin extraction.[80] According to USGS, Bolivia's Uyuni Desert has 5.4 million tonnes of lithium.[80][81] A newly discovered deposit in Wyoming's Rock Springs Uplift is estimated to contain 228,000 tons. Additional deposits in the same formation were estimated to be as much as 18 million tons.[82]

Opinions differ about potential growth. A 2008 study concluded that "realistically achievable lithium carbonate production will be sufficient for only a small fraction of future PHEV and EV global market requirements", that "demand from the portable electronics sector will absorb much of the planned production increases in the next decade", and that "mass production of lithium carbonate is not environmentally sound, it will cause irreparable ecological damage to ecosystems that should be protected and that LiIon propulsion is incompatible with the notion of the 'Green Car'".[48]

However, according to a 2011 study conducted at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and the University of California, Berkeley, the currently estimated reserve base of lithium should not be a limiting factor for large-scale battery production for electric vehicles because an estimated 1 billion 40 kWh Li-based batteries could be built with current reserves[83] - about 10 kg of lithium per car.[84] Another 2011 study by researchers from the University of Michigan and Ford Motor Company found sufficient resources to support global demand until 2100, including the lithium required for the potential widespread transportation use. The study estimated global reserves at 39 million tons, and total demand for lithium during the 90-year period analyzed at 12–20 million tons, depending on the scenarios regarding economic growth and recycling rates.[85]

On June 9, 2014, the Financialist stated that demand for lithium was growing at more than 12 percent a year; according to Credit Suisse, this rate exceeds projected availability by 25 percent. The publication compared the 2014 lithium situation with oil, whereby "higher oil prices spurred investment in expensive deepwater and oil sands production techniques"; that is, the price of lithium will continue to rise until more expensive production methods that can boost total output receive the attention of investors.[86]

Yes you complete moron who never realizes that I always bait you. I always have my links ready to show how wrong you are. You made claims of U.S. deposits which your article shows are insignificant.

Nevada, no commercally viable source.

Pure Energy Minerals Limited (TSX VENTURE: PE) (FRANKFURT: A111EG) (OTCQB: HMGLF) . The technical team designed these wells to target lower grade brines of the southern resource area from approximately 150 to 500 metres (500 to 1600 feet) below surface. The results from wells CV-4, 5, and 6 included no significant lithium values,

From the quoted text in my initial post:
A newly discovered deposit in Wyoming's Rock Springs Uplift is estimated to contain 228,000 tons. Additional deposits in the same formation were estimated to be as much as 18 million tons.[82]

 

[Old Rocks]

Wyoming. Oregon. Nevada. California. And many other places where no one has yet to seriously prospect for it.

No commercial production in any state you mentioned you foul mouthed liar.

Georhermal brines are toxic witches brews that are expensive, difficult, and weak sources for anything. If your memory is still working you would remember that from your post about recovering rare metals from the Leathers plant in California. You got your ass handed to you in that failed post.

Clayton Valley

PROJECT OVERVIEW
Lithium X has an option to become the largest claims holder with over 15,020 acres (6,078 hectares) in Nevada’s Clayton Valley and land positions both north and south of Albemarle’s Silver Peak mine, North America’s only lithium producer.

Clayton Valley North covering approximately 5,480 acres (2,217 hectares) in northern Clayton Valley, Nevada. The claims are contiguous to private lands and placer claims belonging to the lithium production facility of Albemarle Corporation. Historic drill information and a geophysical survey show the Property covers basin-fill sediments which are similar to the sediments currently producing lithium brines. Two Albemarle production wells lie along the boundary. Two holes are proposed within the Clayton Valley North claims as offsets to the production wells to test the complete stratigraphic section. Drilling and exploration are active in the basin and the permitting process is well established.
Clayton Valley | LiTHIUM-X

Albemarle is currently producing lithium from their mine in Clayton Valley. And there will be others producing from there as well shortly.

 

[Old Rocks]

And if the price gets high enough, lithium can be produced from a lithium rich clay in the McDermitt Caldera on the Oregon-Nevada border.

http://digicoll.manoa.hawaii.edu/techreports/PDF/USBM-691.pdf

An early estimate is that there are about 3 million short tons of lithium in that deposit.

 

[elektra]

Now why would that be when we have huge lithium reserves here in the US?

Wyoming. Oregon. Nevada. California. And many other places where no one has yet to seriously prospect for it.

TESLA disagrees with you, you filthy liar.
Tesla agrees to buy lithium from Mexican mine for its Gigafactory

Tesla agrees to buy lithium from Mexican mine for its Gigafactory

 

[Crick]

More lithium ion goodness...
https://www.google.com/amp/www.digi...vironment-know/amp/?client=ms-android-verizon

As great as lithium is for batteries, it has a dark side as well: The stuff is downright nasty. Lithium is flammable and highly reactive, as anyone who has seen photos of burning a Tesla can attest, but that’s the least of our worries. The EPA has linked the use of extremely powerful solvents in the creation of lithium electrolytes and cathodes to everything from cancer to neurological problems. Specifically, the cobalt used in the creation

Flammable? Like... uh... gasoline?

 

[Vastator]

More lithium ion goodness...
https://www.google.com/amp/www.digi...vironment-know/amp/?client=ms-android-verizon

As great as lithium is for batteries, it has a dark side as well: The stuff is downright nasty. Lithium is flammable and highly reactive, as anyone who has seen photos of burning a Tesla can attest, but that’s the least of our worries. The EPA has linked the use of extremely powerful solvents in the creation of lithium electrolytes and cathodes to everything from cancer to neurological problems. Specifically, the cobalt used in the creation

Flammable? Like... uh... gasoline?

Much more than that. But if you read it all you'd know that...

 

[elektra]

Do you EVER check a fact before mouthing off?

Reserves
Worldwide identified reserves in 2008 were estimated by the US Geological Survey (USGS) to be 13 million tonnes,[39] though an accurate estimate of world lithium reserves is difficult.[78][79]

Deposits are found in South America throughout the Andes mountain chain. Chile is the leading producer, followed by Argentina. Both countries recover lithium from brine pools. In the United States, lithium is recovered from brine pools in Nevada.[13] However, half the world's known reserves are located in Bolivia along the central eastern slope of the Andes. In 2009, Bolivia negotiated with Japanese, French, and Korean firms to begin extraction.[80] According to USGS, Bolivia's Uyuni Desert has 5.4 million tonnes of lithium.[80][81] A newly discovered deposit in Wyoming's Rock Springs Uplift is estimated to contain 228,000 tons. Additional deposits in the same formation were estimated to be as much as 18 million tons.[82]

Opinions differ about potential growth. A 2008 study concluded that "realistically achievable lithium carbonate production will be sufficient for only a small fraction of future PHEV and EV global market requirements", that "demand from the portable electronics sector will absorb much of the planned production increases in the next decade", and that "mass production of lithium carbonate is not environmentally sound, it will cause irreparable ecological damage to ecosystems that should be protected and that LiIon propulsion is incompatible with the notion of the 'Green Car'".[48]

However, according to a 2011 study conducted at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and the University of California, Berkeley, the currently estimated reserve base of lithium should not be a limiting factor for large-scale battery production for electric vehicles because an estimated 1 billion 40 kWh Li-based batteries could be built with current reserves[83] - about 10 kg of lithium per car.[84] Another 2011 study by researchers from the University of Michigan and Ford Motor Company found sufficient resources to support global demand until 2100, including the lithium required for the potential widespread transportation use. The study estimated global reserves at 39 million tons, and total demand for lithium during the 90-year period analyzed at 12–20 million tons, depending on the scenarios regarding economic growth and recycling rates.[85]

On June 9, 2014, the Financialist stated that demand for lithium was growing at more than 12 percent a year; according to Credit Suisse, this rate exceeds projected availability by 25 percent. The publication compared the 2014 lithium situation with oil, whereby "higher oil prices spurred investment in expensive deepwater and oil sands production techniques"; that is, the price of lithium will continue to rise until more expensive production methods that can boost total output receive the attention of investors.[86]

Yes you complete moron who never realizes that I always bait you. I always have my links ready to show how wrong you are. You made claims of U.S. deposits which your article shows are insignificant.

Nevada, no commercally viable source.

Pure Energy Minerals Limited (TSX VENTURE: PE) (FRANKFURT: A111EG) (OTCQB: HMGLF) . The technical team designed these wells to target lower grade brines of the southern resource area from approximately 150 to 500 metres (500 to 1600 feet) below surface. The results from wells CV-4, 5, and 6 included no significant lithium values,

From the quoted text in my initial post:
A newly discovered deposit in Wyoming's Rock Springs Uplift is estimated to contain 228,000 tons. Additional deposits in the same formation were estimated to be as much as 18 million tons.[82]

Big fucking deal moron, we are talking about commercial sources that are economical, not the low grade toxic brines that have proven to fail in nevada and california. Yes the government and universities are doing the expensive research and paying out billions to select corporations, giving, giving, and giving. We get a big bill for nothing.

Now post something other than fluff from some bullshit website, how about the EIS?

 

[elektra]

Do you EVER check a fact before mouthing off?

Reserves
Worldwide identified reserves in 2008 were estimated by the US Geological Survey (USGS) to be 13 million tonnes,[39] though an accurate estimate of world lithium reserves is difficult.[78][79]

Deposits are found in South America throughout the Andes mountain chain. Chile is the leading producer, followed by Argentina. Both countries recover lithium from brine pools. In the United States, lithium is recovered from brine pools in Nevada.[13] However, half the world's known reserves are located in Bolivia along the central eastern slope of the Andes. In 2009, Bolivia negotiated with Japanese, French, and Korean firms to begin extraction.[80] According to USGS, Bolivia's Uyuni Desert has 5.4 million tonnes of lithium.[80][81] A newly discovered deposit in Wyoming's Rock Springs Uplift is estimated to contain 228,000 tons. Additional deposits in the same formation were estimated to be as much as 18 million tons.[82]

Opinions differ about potential growth. A 2008 study concluded that "realistically achievable lithium carbonate production will be sufficient for only a small fraction of future PHEV and EV global market requirements", that "demand from the portable electronics sector will absorb much of the planned production increases in the next decade", and that "mass production of lithium carbonate is not environmentally sound, it will cause irreparable ecological damage to ecosystems that should be protected and that LiIon propulsion is incompatible with the notion of the 'Green Car'".[48]

However, according to a 2011 study conducted at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and the University of California, Berkeley, the currently estimated reserve base of lithium should not be a limiting factor for large-scale battery production for electric vehicles because an estimated 1 billion 40 kWh Li-based batteries could be built with current reserves[83] - about 10 kg of lithium per car.[84] Another 2011 study by researchers from the University of Michigan and Ford Motor Company found sufficient resources to support global demand until 2100, including the lithium required for the potential widespread transportation use. The study estimated global reserves at 39 million tons, and total demand for lithium during the 90-year period analyzed at 12–20 million tons, depending on the scenarios regarding economic growth and recycling rates.[85]

On June 9, 2014, the Financialist stated that demand for lithium was growing at more than 12 percent a year; according to Credit Suisse, this rate exceeds projected availability by 25 percent. The publication compared the 2014 lithium situation with oil, whereby "higher oil prices spurred investment in expensive deepwater and oil sands production techniques"; that is, the price of lithium will continue to rise until more expensive production methods that can boost total output receive the attention of investors.[86]

Yes you complete moron who never realizes that I always bait you. I always have my links ready to show how wrong you are. You made claims of U.S. deposits which your article shows are insignificant.

Nevada, no commercally viable source.

Pure Energy Minerals Limited (TSX VENTURE: PE) (FRANKFURT: A111EG) (OTCQB: HMGLF) . The technical team designed these wells to target lower grade brines of the southern resource area from approximately 150 to 500 metres (500 to 1600 feet) below surface. The results from wells CV-4, 5, and 6 included no significant lithium values,

From the quoted text in my initial post:
A newly discovered deposit in Wyoming's Rock Springs Uplift is estimated to contain 228,000 tons. Additional deposits in the same formation were estimated to be as much as 18 million tons.[82]

Lithium in a toxic brew 12,000 feet below the Earth. Only idiots think that will compete with Chile or Argentina's proven reserves. Wyoming lithium has already failed.
High hopes of Wyoming lithium deposit stalled

 

[elektra]

And what would one do with the toxic pollution IF the government pays for this with our labor and money?

They will, FRACK! Yep, they will Frack the concentrated pollution into the earth.

Green energy pollutes, period!

 

[Crick]

Fracking is most certainly not "green energy". It is the price one pays for insisting on sticking full bore with fossil fuels no matter what is required to extract them from the Earth. Fracking is yours, asshole, not mine.