Asclepias
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Yes you do. Its a moral obligation and in some cases a moral and legal obligation that could result in an accessory charge.I didnt say you had an obligation to stop anyone. I said you have an obligation to help enforce the laws and rules of society. If you shirk from that I understand. Youre the type of person what would let a child rapist abduct a child and not make a move to stop it.Actually you do. Thats why you can be charged with a felony or misdemeanor for not assisting a police officer depending on what your local ordinance says.Thats an incredibly stupid comment. An obligation doesnt have to be legal. its moral.Yes I did to both.It is an excuse. You have the right because of the first amendment. There is also a such thing as citizens arrest for a reason.Thats a losing argument. It is not sufficient to use the "other people do it too excuse". You sound like a child.There are signs that say people are supposed to drive at a certain MPH as well.True, but she was in an area where dogs are supposed to be leashed and there were plenty of signs to that effect. Sure she could have made a choice to ignore him (and he could have rightfully filmed her off lead dog and called the cops on her.).No. She should have put her dog on a leash.Actions have consequences.Her punishment will be far more severe than the seriousness of her crime. She will spend the rest of her life in hiding because of the death threats. She will never be able to get a job again. Everyone she knows, except her few real friends, will disown her.
Like I said she should have just ignored him
Says you.
She has no obligation to comply with the orders of some unknown civilian.
In fact she has no obligation to acknowledge him if he speaks to her
Tell me how many actually follow those rules.
Was the dog bothering the guy?
It seemed to me he was quite a distance away from the woman and her dog.
Doesnt matter how far the dog was away. It was disturbing the wild life the sign was posted to protect.
It's not an excuse I am merely wondering why anyone who is not in law enforcement thinks they have the right to tell other people what to do.
And a dog on a leash can disturb wildlife. FYI people can disturb wildlife too.
A dog on a leash cannot attack wildlife which is the point. Yes humans can disturb and kill wild life but the sign was speaking of dogs being leashed not humans.
No the first amendment does not give you the right to enforce laws.
All he can do is say something, and he did. It's still not his job to make the person put a dog on a leash is it?
Like I said she should have just ignored the guy like I would have done.
Who said the 1rst gave you the right to enforce laws? This was your question...."I am merely wondering why anyone who is not in law enforcement thinks they have the right to tell other people what to do. "
The first amendment gives you the right to say what you want, including telling people to obey posted signs.
He didnt make the woman put the dog on the leash. Where did you get the assumption he made her do anything?
She had the right to ignore him just like you do. Instead she jumped to becoming a hysterical racist bitch.
You said you have a right because of the first amendment didn't you? Then you mentioned citizens' arrest didn't you?
The first amendment has nothing to do with citizens arrest and nothing to do with enforcing laws
As I said civilians do not have a duty to enforce the laws.
He can say whatever he wants but not one person has any obligation to listen to him.
I didnt say the 1rst had anything to do with citizens arrest. Your reading comprehension is on the fritz.
I dont care what you said. Civillians have a duty to help enforce laws up to a point which includes a citizens arrest.
True. No one has to listen to the guy. That doesnt mean he doesnt have the right to say what he said.
No they don't have an obligation to enforce laws.
If they did then people could be arrested for not stopping a criminal from committing a crime.
I have no moral obligation to enforce any law.
If I see a guy robbing a store I have no legal or moral obligation to stop him from doing so in fact I can leave the scene and refuse to speak to the police if I choose.
That said if i saw a person commit murder I would at the very least tell the cops what I saw but I would have no legal or moral obligation to physically detain that person
Tell what mortal imperative drives a civilian to enforce a leash law? Is it the disturbing the birds thing? Because people disturb birds all the time.
Only if so ordered by a police officer. And it's a misdemeanor at best in most places and almost never enforced. And It can be argued that if you think a police officer is putting your safety in danger with such an order that there is no obligation to comply.
So I have no obligation to stop a crime in progress or to act in the place of a police officer.
Like I said.
If I see a guy robbing a store I have no obligation to stop him or hold him until the cops decide to show up.
No I don't have an obligation to help enforce the law.
And how can you tell a person is a child rapist by just looking at him?
How do I know it's not the kid's father trying to get him in the car because the little brat is pitching a fit in public?
You err on the side of caution. If a child is putting up a fight and screaming they are being abducted are you just going to sit there and say it might be their father?