The war you're watching isn't a war. What unrestricted US warfare actually looks like.

[martybegan]

It's theater for you rubes. A diversion away from Trump's total domestic failures and from his Epstein coverup.

Iran has never been a threat to the US.

What unmitigated bullshit.

 

[westwall]

JOOOOOOOSSSSS

Right now most of the Arab States are coming around to accepting Israel.

Iran is a far worse threat to them.

As evidenced by the Iranian response to our attack. Instead of launching everything they had at Israel, they attacked their neighbors who had done nothing.

If that action doesn't make you go huh? Then you are not thinking at all.

 

[Anomalism]

The roles cannot be reversed, so it is a straw man argument. Iran could not carry out 5,500 strikes on military and civilian targets in the US in 10 days if it's life depended on it.

And thank goodness for that.

 

[martybegan]

It's just a coinky-dink that the wars we've started the last 30 years have all been on Bibi's hit list, right?

Supposedly Saudi Muslims crashed planes into the WTC, so......we invade Iraq and Afghanistan, really?

Saudis who wanted to overthrow the House of Saud and take over themselves. You forgot that part.

Those two countries hosted these rebels, as did Iran, but Iran was too strong at the time.

All of this is due to the West's inability to take short term risks and casualties to prevent the long term slow bleeds we have seen since the 60's and 70's.

 

[Anomalism]

Even your beloved right wing nut warmonger Secretary of War disagrees with you. He recently said:
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I didn't say I wanted to bomb them into oblivion. I just put the situation into perspective.

 

[martybegan]

As evidenced by the Iranian response to our attack. Instead of launching everything they had at Israel, they attacked their neighbors who had done nothing.

If that action doesn't make you go huh? Then you are not thinking at all.

I think the decapitation strikes are what allowed the local IRGC commanders to just launch their shit as they felt like doing.

In an authoritarian State like Iran, you don't show initiative unless told to do so explicitly, or the people that can hold you responsible are either dead or nullified.

 

[Anomalism]

Here’s the thread author himself yesterday, killing this thread:
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Here’s the thread author himself yesterday, killing this thread:
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[White 6]

Yet they would do so in a second if they had the capability. That's the difference you people ignore.

Give Hamas the military capability of the IDF. Is Israel still around?

If frogs has wings, they would not bump their butt when they hopped. You are proposing a fictional straw man argument. Try some reality, instead.

 

[westwall]

If frogs has wings, they would not bump their butt when they hopped. You are proposing a fictional straw man argument. Try some reality, instead.

Except it's not fictional, and you are confusing your logic fail accusations.

 

[martybegan]

If frogs has wings, they would not bump their butt when they hopped. You are proposing a fictional straw man argument. Try some reality, instead.

I was pointing out the differences in intent and viewpoints on how to wage war. For all the claims of the US being some indiscriminate carpet bombing monster, we are highly restrained in the way we fight, almost too restrained, compared to what the other side would do if they had our abilities.

No strawman at all.

 

[White 6]

Except it's not fictional, and you are confusing your logic fail accusations.

It is fiction, to think or act as if Iran had the capability to carry out such a war on the US, 6,300 miles away. You might as well be talking about a war with aliens that are adrift in space, on life support. Totally unreal and unnecessary for the security of the US and North American continent.

 

[berg80]

The guy who defrauded students of his real estate "school" called it an excursion. But he meant incursion even though he once claimed to have all the best words.

 

[White 6]

I was pointing out the differences in intent and viewpoints on how to wage war. For all the claims of the US being some indiscriminate carpet bombing monster, we are highly restrained in the way we fight, almost too restrained, compared to what the other side would do if they had our abilities.

No strawman at all.

We are not restrained, at all. If we are, it is strictly due only to our stockpiles, and industrial resupply rate. You are supporting a straw man (false) argument.

 

[BlindBoo]

Oil is required for a modern economy. Ignore that at your own peril.

I actually read about history, but I also don't go out of my way to say "USA BAD BAD BAD" like the left does.

The "Pax Americana" has been one of the most benign world spanning dominances in history.

People think if we go away something worse won't take over the power vacuum.

We've been in the age of petroleum for a hundred years or more.

Ignore the problems our interventions have caused at the peril of your decedents. Keep pretending that our problems with Iran started in 1979 and not 1953.

Our policies toward the Banana Republics in Latin America were somehow benign? It was great for us, but for the people in those countries we intervened in, not so much.

That being said I still support the new world order we ushered in after WWII. Funny how the MAGA crowd railed against it, only to flip flop once they got back into power. You'd think they were Democrats.

 

[martybegan]

We are not restrained, at all. If we are, it is strictly due only to our stockpiles, and industrial resupply rate. You are supporting a straw man (false) argument.

We are very restrained, but you can't admit that without giving up your narrative line.

 

[Conservative from Georgia]

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There is no point to miss. You call it a war and say it’s not a war. Don’t pretend to be some kind of philosophical.guru making an enlightenment point that is hard to understand. What you’re doing is called making no sense.

We are at war and you agree.

 

[martybegan]

We've been in the age of petroleum for a hundred years or more.

Ignore the problems our interventions have caused at the peril of your decedents. Keep pretending that our problems with Iran started in 1979 and not 1953.

Our policies toward the Banana Republics in Latin America were somehow benign? It was great for us, but for the people in those countries we intervened in, not so much.

That being said I still support the new world order we ushered in after WWII. Funny how the MAGA crowd railed against it, only to flip flop once they got back into power. You'd think they were Democrats.

Keep pretending that we have to be perfect all the time but other countries can **** us over and we have to take it.

And when the lefties came and took over in those countries, they turned in to paradises?

 

[berg80]

Republicans define victory in Iran as whatever Trump says it is​

When it comes to defining victory in Iran, many Republicans on Capitol Hill have a simple answer: Ask President Donald Trump.

As the U.S. war with Iran closes in on the two-week mark, Republicans are eager to tout military accomplishments — including degrading Iran’s missile capabilities — but they are less clear on what a victory looks like.

Asked what defines a “win,” Sen. Josh Hawley’s deference to Trump was so strong that the Missouri Republican said he wouldn’t be able to answer what victory in Iran looks like until Trump declares it.

“Not ’til he says so,” Hawley said.

Republicans define victory in Iran as whatever Trump says it is

Trump won’t say what exactly the objective in Iran is. Republicans are just fine with that.

www.ms.now

Leadership of the POT is showing absolute deference to an absolute moron.

 

[White 6]

We are very restrained, but you can't admit that without giving up your narrative line.

If we were very restrained, we would have used other means, rather than going to war, against and "imminent" threat, that could not be imminent for years to come.

 

[HikerGuy83]

If we were very restrained, we would have used other means, rather than going to war,

Read the post OP. We are not at war. We are standing in front of a barrel of fish with a 50 cal.

And that is the "other means".