The War On Everyday Americans: Why Jobs Are Disappearing, & why universal basic income is our future

[basquebromance]

a UBI would be cheaper and more effective than what we do now, economically. If you take the total amount we spend on anti-poverty programs and divide by the number of poor people, there should be no poor people!

Poor people aren’t lazy, they’re trapped in the current system. A UBI is not contingent on staying poor, so it would both lift people out of poverty and flatten out the benefits cliff. Of course, this means that the new UBI would be instead of existing programs, rather than a supplement, and not everyone agrees with that.

Finally, there is crude "realpolitik." Plenty of very wealthy people already live in the US, and the new economy is likely to create inequality on steroids. In a democracy, the poor and middle class have many tools to “negotiate” redistribution at gunpoint.

 

[OODA_Loop]

That won’t work.

 

[basquebromance]

That won’t work.

WHY

 

[OODA_Loop]

Organisms are designed to provide for themselves.

 

[waltky]

Uncle Ferd all for it...

... so's he can afford a new...

... Holley carburetor for his...

... pick `em up truck.

 

[beagle9]

a UBI would be cheaper and more effective than what we do now, economically. If you take the total amount we spend on anti-poverty programs and divide by the number of poor people, there should be no poor people!

Poor people aren’t lazy, they’re trapped in the current system. A UBI is not contingent on staying poor, so it would both lift people out of poverty and flatten out the benefits cliff. Of course, this means that the new UBI would be instead of existing programs, rather than a supplement, and not everyone agrees with that.

Finally, there is crude "realpolitik." Plenty of very wealthy people already live in the US, and the new economy is likely to create inequality on steroids. In a democracy, the poor and middle class have many tools to “negotiate” redistribution at gunpoint.

Just return to what worked in the past (extract the good while leaving the bad behind), and quit living in this bubble of doom being created today. Are we just stupid today or what ?? Why are we stupid today ?? Who is making or forcing us to be stupid today ?? Is it globalism, greed, cultural decay, tribal warfare, diversity gone wrong, political correctness gone wrong, lifestyles gone wrong or what ???????

 

[John Shaw]

a UBI would be cheaper and more effective than what we do now, economically. If you take the total amount we spend on anti-poverty programs and divide by the number of poor people, there should be no poor people!

Poor people aren’t lazy, they’re trapped in the current system. A UBI is not contingent on staying poor, so it would both lift people out of poverty and flatten out the benefits cliff. Of course, this means that the new UBI would be instead of existing programs, rather than a supplement, and not everyone agrees with that.

Finally, there is crude "realpolitik." Plenty of very wealthy people already live in the US, and the new economy is likely to create inequality on steroids. In a democracy, the poor and middle class have many tools to “negotiate” redistribution at gunpoint.

Just return to what worked in the past (extract the good while leaving the bad behind), and quit living in this bubble of doom being created today. Are we just stupid today or what ?? Why are we stupid today ?? Who is making or forcing us to be stupid today ?? Is it globalism, greed, cultural decay, tribal warfare, diversity gone wrong, political correctness gone wrong, lifestyles gone wrong or what ???????

The trouble with that logic is that today, quite literally, our work is being replaced by machines at an enormous pace.

Obviously, in the past you speak of, that was not the case at all.

 

[sparky]

 

[Confounding]

a UBI would be cheaper and more effective than what we do now, economically. If you take the total amount we spend on anti-poverty programs and divide by the number of poor people, there should be no poor people!

Poor people aren’t lazy, they’re trapped in the current system. A UBI is not contingent on staying poor, so it would both lift people out of poverty and flatten out the benefits cliff. Of course, this means that the new UBI would be instead of existing programs, rather than a supplement, and not everyone agrees with that.

Finally, there is crude "realpolitik." Plenty of very wealthy people already live in the US, and the new economy is likely to create inequality on steroids. In a democracy, the poor and middle class have many tools to “negotiate” redistribution at gunpoint.

Just return to what worked in the past (extract the good while leaving the bad behind), and quit living in this bubble of doom being created today. Are we just stupid today or what ?? Why are we stupid today ?? Who is making or forcing us to be stupid today ?? Is it globalism, greed, cultural decay, tribal warfare, diversity gone wrong, political correctness gone wrong, lifestyles gone wrong or what ???????

The trouble with that logic is that today, quite literally, our work is being replaced by machines at an enormous pace.

Obviously, in the past you speak of, that was not the case at all.

People that think UBI isn't an obvious necessity for the future simply lack critical thinking skills. I think the main problem is they don't understand or they underestimate the extent to which AI will impact human labor of all kinds. If you think it's just burger flippers that will lose their jobs you're not thinking this through. Once general intelligence is built into machines it's only a matter of time until there's literally nothing a machine can't do better than a human.

 

[John Shaw]

a UBI would be cheaper and more effective than what we do now, economically. If you take the total amount we spend on anti-poverty programs and divide by the number of poor people, there should be no poor people!

Poor people aren’t lazy, they’re trapped in the current system. A UBI is not contingent on staying poor, so it would both lift people out of poverty and flatten out the benefits cliff. Of course, this means that the new UBI would be instead of existing programs, rather than a supplement, and not everyone agrees with that.

Finally, there is crude "realpolitik." Plenty of very wealthy people already live in the US, and the new economy is likely to create inequality on steroids. In a democracy, the poor and middle class have many tools to “negotiate” redistribution at gunpoint.

Just return to what worked in the past (extract the good while leaving the bad behind), and quit living in this bubble of doom being created today. Are we just stupid today or what ?? Why are we stupid today ?? Who is making or forcing us to be stupid today ?? Is it globalism, greed, cultural decay, tribal warfare, diversity gone wrong, political correctness gone wrong, lifestyles gone wrong or what ???????

The trouble with that logic is that today, quite literally, our work is being replaced by machines at an enormous pace.

Obviously, in the past you speak of, that was not the case at all.

People that think UBI isn't an obvious necessity for the future simply lack critical thinking skills. I think the main problem is they don't understand or they underestimate the extent to which AI will impact human labor of all kinds. If you think it's just burger flippers that will lose their jobs you're not thinking this through. Once general intelligence is built into machines it's only a matter of time until there's literally nothing a machine can't do better than a human.

We will probably be dead before the really cognitive jobs start going away, but yes; it's not just factory workers and burger flippers who will be in trouble, near and far into the future.

 

[Confounding]

a UBI would be cheaper and more effective than what we do now, economically. If you take the total amount we spend on anti-poverty programs and divide by the number of poor people, there should be no poor people!

Poor people aren’t lazy, they’re trapped in the current system. A UBI is not contingent on staying poor, so it would both lift people out of poverty and flatten out the benefits cliff. Of course, this means that the new UBI would be instead of existing programs, rather than a supplement, and not everyone agrees with that.

Finally, there is crude "realpolitik." Plenty of very wealthy people already live in the US, and the new economy is likely to create inequality on steroids. In a democracy, the poor and middle class have many tools to “negotiate” redistribution at gunpoint.

Just return to what worked in the past (extract the good while leaving the bad behind), and quit living in this bubble of doom being created today. Are we just stupid today or what ?? Why are we stupid today ?? Who is making or forcing us to be stupid today ?? Is it globalism, greed, cultural decay, tribal warfare, diversity gone wrong, political correctness gone wrong, lifestyles gone wrong or what ???????

The trouble with that logic is that today, quite literally, our work is being replaced by machines at an enormous pace.

Obviously, in the past you speak of, that was not the case at all.

People that think UBI isn't an obvious necessity for the future simply lack critical thinking skills. I think the main problem is they don't understand or they underestimate the extent to which AI will impact human labor of all kinds. If you think it's just burger flippers that will lose their jobs you're not thinking this through. Once general intelligence is built into machines it's only a matter of time until there's literally nothing a machine can't do better than a human.

We will probably be dead before the really cognitive jobs start going away

I think there's a fair to good chance our kids will be alive. Technology is growing exponentially. I think a lot of people underestimate how quickly things are going to change.

 

[beagle9]

Alexander Fraser - 1747

A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury ...

treas·ur·y/ˈtreZH(ə)rē/
noun

1. the funds or revenue of a government, corporation, or institution.
2. a place or building where treasure is stored.

 

[beagle9]

a UBI would be cheaper and more effective than what we do now, economically. If you take the total amount we spend on anti-poverty programs and divide by the number of poor people, there should be no poor people!

Poor people aren’t lazy, they’re trapped in the current system. A UBI is not contingent on staying poor, so it would both lift people out of poverty and flatten out the benefits cliff. Of course, this means that the new UBI would be instead of existing programs, rather than a supplement, and not everyone agrees with that.

Finally, there is crude "realpolitik." Plenty of very wealthy people already live in the US, and the new economy is likely to create inequality on steroids. In a democracy, the poor and middle class have many tools to “negotiate” redistribution at gunpoint.

Just return to what worked in the past (extract the good while leaving the bad behind), and quit living in this bubble of doom being created today. Are we just stupid today or what ?? Why are we stupid today ?? Who is making or forcing us to be stupid today ?? Is it globalism, greed, cultural decay, tribal warfare, diversity gone wrong, political correctness gone wrong, lifestyles gone wrong or what ???????

The trouble with that logic is that today, quite literally, our work is being replaced by machines at an enormous pace.

Obviously, in the past you speak of, that was not the case at all.

People that think UBI isn't an obvious necessity for the future simply lack critical thinking skills. I think the main problem is they don't understand or they underestimate the extent to which AI will impact human labor of all kinds. If you think it's just burger flippers that will lose their jobs you're not thinking this through. Once general intelligence is built into machines it's only a matter of time until there's literally nothing a machine can't do better than a human.

We will probably be dead before the really cognitive jobs start going away

I think there's a fair to good chance our kids will be alive. Technology is growing exponentially. I think a lot of people underestimate how quickly things are going to change.

Our government is tasked with keeping balance in it all.. If it fails, then who will make it fail ?

 

[basquebromance]

we need the market to serve humanity, not humanity to serve the market!

 

[SmokeALib]

Welcome.
Welcome to the machine.

 

[basquebromance]

americans need to build new companies in areas of need like detroit, baltimore, and chicago. thats the future!

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

1. No, this must be thrown out, its UnAmerican.
2. Work or don't eat.
3. Make a stand or get into an early grave.
4. Learn, explore, discover.
5. Not hide in front of a computer.
6. That's not LIFE!

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[John Shaw]

Sorry bout that,

1. No, this must be thrown out, its UnAmerican.
2. Work or don't eat.
3. Make a stand or get into an early grave.
4. Learn, explore, discover.
5. Not hide in front of a computer.
6. That's not LIFE!

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

You apparently are not blessed/cursed with an office job if you believe this.

 

[basquebromance]

this whole "its ok to fail" idea of capitalism is ridiculous. the world is burning under Trump. we're dying out here!

 

[Confounding]

Sorry bout that,

1. No, this must be thrown out, its UnAmerican.
2. Work or don't eat.
3. Make a stand or get into an early grave.
4. Learn, explore, discover.
5. Not hide in front of a computer.
6. That's not LIFE!

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

It's practical and given enough time it will be necessary.