Could this be a path to ending the war?

[kyzr]

Nope. Where'd you come up with that from?

If Iran opens Hormuz Trump won't need to bomb the powerplants.

I'm also thinking that if Iran doesn't open Hormuz, Trump should bomb the substations not the powerplants, that turns the lights out but is not technically a "war crime".

 

[berg80]

If Iran opens Hormuz Trump won't need to bomb the powerplants.

I'm also thinking that if Iran doesn't open Hormuz, Trump should bomb the substations not the powerplants, that turns the lights out but is not technically a "war crime".

My guess is any action that cuts power to the civilian population is considered a war crime. Perhaps Don just doesn't want to be outdone by Putin. Trump is #2 but he's trying harder. Like with the corrupt ways in which he is amassing personal wealth. It's like Vlad is his role model.

 

[Seymour Flops]

I don't think you get domestic drilling....

US government doesn't drill for oil unless the nationalise the whole industry. Oil is a global commodity, oil produced in US is sold through out the world, it can be shipped any where for less than 1c a gallon.

Yes, I understand all that. But the Federal Government (and states?) regulates domestic drilling, it isn't a free market decision. If it were, oil prices globallly would be far lower.

US would suffer more than most because their reliance on Oil... EU and China have been moving away from it because it is unreliable.

The only energy source that is as safe and reliable fossil fuels is nuclear energy, something the American left has fought due to not completely understanding the difference between a nuclear plant and a nuclear weapon.

Hard to tell who wants to end the war more. trump facing the consequences of his mistake or Iranians tiring of being bombed. A 15 point plan is an awful lot of points to agree on. The world eagerly awaits the outcome.

One motivation for Iran is by its actions since the war began it has positioned itself as an international pariah.

I don't think there is any question that Trump and "the world" want the war to end more than the few remaining Mulluhs of Iran and the Iranian Revoluntionary Guard Corp (IRGC). For those Iranians the end of the war will mean accepting a weakened Iran, no longer being a threat to the world, and likely less support from even the American left.

Therefore we will likely not be able to defeat the insane conservative theocrats that you love and support so strongly under the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" doctrine. We will have to remove them from power and from ever coming into power again.

No doubt the cardboard cutout and his underlings are in hiding and switching hiding places as often as they can without the movement itself being more dangerous than staying put. But we and Israel clearly had outstanding intelligence at the beginning to know that the old line Mulluhs had been fools enough to gather in one place.

I just hope that it does not turn into another Gaza with the evil ones hiding among civilians, bringing about mass casualties.

 

[berg80]

If Iran opens Hormuz Trump won't need to bomb the powerplants.

I'm also thinking that if Iran doesn't open Hormuz, Trump should bomb the substations not the powerplants, that turns the lights out but is not technically a "war crime".

Trump’s Threat to Iran Crosses a Line, Rights Experts Say​

In 2024, the International Criminal Court issued four arrest warrants to Russian military officers and officials charging them with war crimes for attacking “Ukrainian electric infrastructure.”

International law, specifically Article 52 of the first additional protocol of the Geneva Conventions, prohibits attacks on civilian objects. These laws are meant to protect civilians and those who can no longer fight, such as wounded soldiers, from the “barbarity of war.”

Energy infrastructure such as power grids often has civilian and military uses. In the case of Russia’s attacks on Ukraine’s power grid, prosecutors deemed the strikes a violation of humanitarian law. Despite the charges, Russian forces continued their campaign.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/24/us/politics/trump-iran-power-stations.html

 

[berg80]

and likely less support from even the American left.

Present your evidence it has or GFY.

 

[kyzr]

My guess is any action that cuts power to the civilian population is considered a war crime. Perhaps Don just doesn't want to be outdone by Putin. Trump is #2 but he's trying harder. Like with the corrupt ways in which he is amassing personal wealth. It's like Vlad is his role model.

You keep typing stuff but don't put links up proving anything.

 

[kyzr]

Trump’s Threat to Iran Crosses a Line, Rights Experts Say​

In 2024, the International Criminal Court issued four arrest warrants to Russian military officers and officials charging them with war crimes for attacking “Ukrainian electric infrastructure.” International law, specifically Article 52 of the first additional protocol of the Geneva Conventions, prohibits attacks on civilian objects. These laws are meant to protect civilians and those who can no longer fight, such as wounded soldiers, from the “barbarity of war.”

So why doesn't the ICC go to Russia and arrest those Russian military officers?
Maybe its because the ICC is worthless?

Energy infrastructure such as power grids often has civilian and military uses. In the case of Russia’s attacks on Ukraine’s power grid, prosecutors deemed the strikes a violation of humanitarian law. Despite the charges, Russian forces continued their campaign.

Trump is giving Iran the choice between opening Hormuz, or losing powerplants.
We will see which option Iran chooses.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Present your evidence it has or GFY.

Present my evidence "it has" what? Who or what is "it?"

Oh, wait. Present my evidence of the left supporting the Iranian Mullahs? They have constantly cheerled for the Iranian Mullahs.

If you really need evidence, I'll need you to be more specific about your claim. What are you claiming that you want me to present evidence against? Or what are you disputing that you want me to present evidence for?

 

[Mashmont]

Small problem. There is no evidence to substantiate your conspiracy theory.

Democrats prove it every day by their resistance to photo voter ID.
Now watch you play dumb and pretend stealing elections isn't the reason they oppose it.

 

[Alicia J]

Agreed. But I found the reporting on what Iran and Oman are doing to be encouraging. trump wants to extricate himself from this disaster he and Bebe created. If it can be done without more bombing and the destruction of energy infrastructure with the Strait being opened that's a win-win.

That's a big "IF". Iran is going to demand billions of dollars in payments from the U.S. for all the damage they have caused in Iran.

And Trump is going to have to be prepared to pay it if he wants to get out of this mess in any manageable way....especially if Iran now has an American prisoner.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Yeah, this thread is kind of stalled now, because the last post is such an obvious one that it is cringy.

If we had another Jimmy carter we might allow another Iran hostage crises, or another Joe Biden or another Obama, we might well ship Iran some more pallets of cash. Why not? No one on the left thought that was a bad idea for any reason.

But it won't happen with Trump.

 

[80zephyr]

Trump’s Threat to Iran Crosses a Line, Rights Experts Say​

In 2024, the International Criminal Court issued four arrest warrants to Russian military officers and officials charging them with war crimes for attacking “Ukrainian electric infrastructure.”

International law, specifically Article 52 of the first additional protocol of the Geneva Conventions, prohibits attacks on civilian objects. These laws are meant to protect civilians and those who can no longer fight, such as wounded soldiers, from the “barbarity of war.”

Energy infrastructure such as power grids often has civilian and military uses. In the case of Russia’s attacks on Ukraine’s power grid, prosecutors deemed the strikes a violation of humanitarian law. Despite the charges, Russian forces continued their campaign.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/24/us/politics/trump-iran-power-stations.html

The objective of war is to defeat your enemy. Anything else is bullshit.