The Vibe Shifts Against the Right

[kyzr]

I've already shared links where there are no criminal records for 179 of them.
You ignored it. You don't care about links. You refuse to read them. You don't do research. The same article confirms that Trump invoked the Alien and Sedition Act, claiming that it allowed him deport without hearings. As does admission from the Trump legal team in the rulings against them on the issue. A ruling you also refuse to read.
You're trying to convince yourself that non-citizens have no rights. And thus because there are classes of people that have no rights, you can imprison them without charges, convictions, hearings, or due process.
That's abhorrent. And a clear demonstration that you've never given slightest shit about rights, freedom or the rule of law.

The AEA says when aliens invade the US they don't get judicial review.
Biden let about 10,000,000 in and its impossible to schedule court dates out 150 years.
If they invade, they get deported. If they are criminals they get thrown in prison.
You didn't show such concern for the girls they killed.

 

[Skylar]

The AEA says when aliens invade the US they don't get judicial review.
Biden let about 10,000,000 in and its impossible to schedule court dates out 150 years.
If they invade, they get deported. If they are criminals they get thrown in prison.
You didn't show such concern for the girls they killed.

....by a foreign nation or government. Read the actual text. Not just your paraphrase.

 

[kyzr]

Trump has certainly expressed his desire to put US Citizens in the very same foreign gulags that he insists are beyond judicial review. Trump has certainly tried to invoke the war time powers of the Alien and Sedition Act, used by the US government to arrest and imprison US Citizens without charges or crimes.
If Trump can disappear them, he can disappear us. As there's no hearing. If you were snatched up by MAGA on the street and shipped to a foreign gulag without any hearing.....how would you assert your defense against charges that are never levied, before a judge you never see?
And once you're in the gulag, Trump insists that you are beyond the court's authority to bring you back.
That should deeply concern anyone with a thinking brain.

1. MAGA doesn't snatch.
2. Trump refers to convicted criminals being housed in El Salvador prisons doing their time
3. Stop lying.

 

[Vrenn]

Link him.

That's already been done over and over. You MAGAts play this game of link or site over and over. You aren't exactly bright, cupcake

 

[Skylar]

1. MAGA doesn't snatch.
2. Trump refers to convicted criminals being housed in El Salvador prisons doing their time
3. Stop lying.

179 of the 240 or so that have been indefinitely imprisoned in El Salvador so have been convicted of no crimes. And yet they've been stripped of their rights and sent to a foreign gulag without a hearing, legal representation, appeal, trial, charges or convictions of any crime.

With Trump insisting that they are beyond judicial review.

U.S. sent 238 migrants to Salvadoran mega-prison; documents indicate most have no apparent criminal records

The U.S. sent 238 Venezuelan migrants to a Salvadoran mega-prison. The Trump administration says they're all gang members, but 60 Minutes could find no criminal records for 75% of them.

www.cbsnews.com

You simply don't know what you're talking about.

 

[kyzr]

....by a foreign nation or government. Read the actual text. Not just your paraphrase.

Interpretation. Drug cartels are an entity, Venezuela sent invaders. You can't deny it was an invasion by millions of illegals.

 

[Skylar]

That's already been done over and over. You MAGAts play this game of link or site over and over. You aren't exactly bright, cupcake

Its a tell. A way for them to tell us that they know their arguments are indefensible and doesn't measure up. So when they can't measure up, they play the link game......demanding links they ignore.

 

[kyzr]

179 of the 240 or so that have been indefinitely imprisoned in El Salvador so have been convicted of no crimes. And yet they've been stripped of their rights and sent to a foreign gulag without a hearing, legal representation, appeal, trial, charges or convictions of any crime.
With Trump insisting that they are beyond judicial review.
You simply don't know what you're talking about.

Entering the US illegally is in-fact a crime. QED

 

[Zafira Cherry]

I tried reading that opinion piece... gave me a headache

you lost me at "reading"

 

[Skylar]

Interpretation. Drug cartels are an entity, Venezuela sent invaders. You can't deny it was an invasion by millions of illegals.

That's the actual text of the statute. "by a foreign nation or government". And were not at war with anyone right now. Which 'invasion or predatory incursion' is being attempted by which foreign nation or government, according to who?

Show me.

 

[Skylar]

Entering the US illegally is in-fact a crime. QED

Then show me their convictions for this crime.

Or any crime.

Again, you just don't know what you're talking about. You're simply not informed enough to comment intelligently on this topic.

 

[berg80]

Empty words with no proof of anything. You apparently like typing lies all day.

Have you read any of the comments from leaders around the world?

There are moments in history that are difficult to forget, that change the course of events. Danes have experienced several such moments in the past few months, but to me, the most defining one occurred a few weeks ago, when Vice President JD Vance said Denmark is “not being a good ally” to the United States.

Danes were stunned and stung. Our country has been nothing less than a stalwart ally of America. Many of us felt as if we were losing a longtime friend — almost as if a brother were abandoning us: The United States has been Denmark’s closest ally for 80 years. We have followed American presidents into wars that many Danes felt were not ours to fight.

Opinion | Denmark Fought Alongside You, America. Why Doubt Us Now?

Danes want our partnership with Americans to continue, but we will stand firm on our principles.

www.nytimes.com

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/27/americas/canada-trump-tariffs-response-latam-intl/index.html

Trump's tariffs draw rebukes from world leaders, but many stress hope for negotiations on new trade deals

America's global trading partners are bristling at President Trump's tariff tactics, but many also stress a desire to strike new deals with the U.S.

www.cbsnews.com

BTW, of all people to complain about a lack of evidence. Geesh.

 

[kyzr]

That's the actual text of the statute. "by a foreign nation or government". And were not at war with anyone right now. Which 'invasion or predatory incursion' is being attempted by which foreign nation or government, according to who? Show me.

International drug cartels are killing 70,000-100,000 Americans a year.
We can call that a "predatory incursion". The AEA text can be interpreted as "or when there is a perceived threat"
If you want to take it to the supremes, you can't, because there is no judicial review.

 

[berg80]

The AEA says when aliens invade the US they don't get judicial review.

Thank you for the admission it doesn't apply since it's only applicable in wartime.

 

[kyzr]

Then show me their convictions for this crime.
Or any crime.
Again, you just don't know what you're talking about. You're simply not informed enough to comment intelligently on this topic.

I know what "no judicial review" means. Trump ran on using the AEA, voters said yes.

Alien and Sedition Acts - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Trump repeated his intentions in his second inaugural address on January 20, 2025, and on March 14, he signed a presidential proclamation invoking the Alien Enemies Act against what he termed an invasion being perpetrated or attempted by the Venezuelan criminal gang, Tren de Aragua.The following day he authorized the deportation of Venezuelan suspected gang members to the Terrorism Confinement Center (CECOT) in El Salvador. Trump's executive order was temporarily blocked the same day by Judge James Boasberg of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, following a lawsuit seeking to stop the deportations.
On April 7, 2025, the U.S. Supreme Court vacated Judge Boasberg's temporary restraining order and held that the plaintiffs must bring the lawsuit in Texas, where they are being held, not in Washington, D.C. The Court also ruled that the government must provide notice to the plaintiffs and an opportunity to challenge the deportation. The ruling did not address the constitutionality of the deportation

 

[berg80]

International drug cartels are killing 70,000-100,000 Americans a year.
We can call that a "predatory incursion". The AEA text can be interpreted as "or when there is a perceived threat"
If you want to take it to the supremes, you can't, because there is no judicial review.

Your transparent attempt at semantic gymnastics should embarrass you.

 

[Skylar]

International drug cartels are killing 70,000-100,000 Americans a year.
We can call that a "predatory incursion". The AEA text can be interpreted as "or when there is a perceived threat"
If you want to take it to the supremes, you can't, because there is no judicial review.

Show me any statute in the US Code that would classify a drug cartel as either a nation or a government.

There is none. Even Trump's own declaration doesn't attempt to classify them as such:

Designating Cartels And Other Organizations As Foreign Terrorist Organizations And Specially Designated Global Terrorists

DESIGNATING CARTELS AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AS FOREIGN TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS AND SPECIALLY DESIGNATED GLOBAL TERRORISTS By the authority vested in me as

www.whitehouse.gov

Try again.

 

[kyzr]

Thank you for the admission it doesn't apply since it's only applicable in wartime.

you don't know what the word "or" means"?
"or predatory incursion"

 

[berg80]

against what he termed an invasion

Bingo. He mischaracterized what's happening. Especially since Biden's EO on asylum seekers during the summer caused illegal crossings to drop significantly.

 

[berg80]

you don't know what the word "or" means"?
"or predatory invasion"

Neither is true. It's a rhetorical attempt to justify an illegal act.

In remarks in the Oval Office and on television, Stephen Miller, Mr. Trump’s top domestic policy adviser, said the administration’s earlier concessions, made by several officials and in a Supreme Court filing, were themselves mistaken, the work of a rogue lawyer. He added that the Supreme Court had unanimously endorsed the administration’s position that judges may not meddle in foreign policy.

Ed Whelan, a conservative legal commentator, said that was a misreading of the ruling.

“The administration is clearly acting in bad faith,” he said. “The Supreme Court and the district court have properly given it the freedom to select the means by which it will undertake to ensure Abrego Garcia’s return. The administration is abusing that freedom by doing basically nothing.”

Trump Grows Increasingly Combative in Showdowns With the Courts

Scholars say that the Trump administration is now flirting with lawless defiance of court orders, a path with an uncertain end.

www.nytimes.com