The Vibe Shifts Against the Right

[Skylar]

I know what "no judicial review" means. Trump ran on using the AEA, voters said yes.

Alien and Sedition Acts - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Trump repeated his intentions in his second inaugural address on January 20, 2025, and on March 14, he signed a presidential proclamation invoking the Alien Enemies Act against what he termed an invasion being perpetrated or attempted by the Venezuelan criminal gang, Tren de Aragua.The following day he authorized the deportation of Venezuelan suspected gang members to the Terrorism Confinement Center (CECOT) in El Salvador. Trump's executive order was temporarily blocked the same day by Judge James Boasberg of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, following a lawsuit seeking to stop the deportations.
On April 7, 2025, the U.S. Supreme Court vacated Judge Boasberg's temporary restraining order and held that the plaintiffs must bring the lawsuit in Texas, where they are being held, not in Washington, D.C. The Court also ruled that the government must provide notice to the plaintiffs and an opportunity to challenge the deportation. The ruling did not address the constitutionality of the deportation

But not apparently what 'convicted of any crime' means. As you have yet to cite any crime that the 180 or so folks currently in a foreign gulag have ever been convicted of.

And yet you're delighted to strip these people of any right and indefinitely incarcerate them. That's tyrannical.

And the Venezualan criminal gang is neither a nation nor government under any US statute. Nor does Trump even try and classify them as such in his proclamation.

 

[kyzr]

Show me any statute in the US Code that would classify a drug cartel as either a nation or a government.
There is none. Even Trump's own declaration doesn't attempt to classify them as such:
Try again.

...there is another stipulation. It begins with the word "or".
...or predatory incursion". Killing 100,000 American a year is a "predatory incursion".

 

[Skylar]

...there is another stipulation. It begins with the word "or".
...or predatory incursion". Killing 100,000 American a year is a "predatory incursion".

"or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government"

What foreign nation or government is perpetrating, attempting, or threatening any invasion or predatory incursion?

Show me.

 

[kyzr]

Neither is true. It's a rhetorical attempt to justify an illegal act.
In remarks in the Oval Office and on television, Stephen Miller, Mr. Trump’s top domestic policy adviser, said the administration’s earlier concessions, made by several officials and in a Supreme Court filing, were themselves mistaken, the work of a rogue lawyer. He added that the Supreme Court had unanimously endorsed the administration’s position that judges may not meddle in foreign policy.
Ed Whelan, a conservative legal commentator, said that was a misreading of the ruling.
“The administration is clearly acting in bad faith,” he said. “The Supreme Court and the district court have properly given it the freedom to select the means by which it will undertake to ensure Abrego Garcia’s return. The administration is abusing that freedom by doing basically nothing.”

Garcia is not a US citizen. He is in his home county. If they let him out we can buy him a plane ticket to his hearing.

 

[kyzr]

But not apparently what 'convicted of any crime' means. As you have yet to cite any crime that the 180 or so folks currently in a foreign gulag have ever been convicted of. And yet you're delighted to strip these people of any right and indefinitely incarcerate them. That's tyrannical.
And the Venezualan criminal gang is neither a nation nor government under any US statute. Nor does Trump even try and classify them as such in his proclamation.

Their crime is entering the US illegally. They are part of a "predatory incursion". Out they go.

 

[Skylar]

Garcia is not a US citizen. He is in his home county. If they let him out we can buy him a plane ticket to his hearing.

He was sent there in violation of a court order, as part of an administrative error already admitted to by the US government. Meaning his deportation to El Salvador was NOT lawful.

With the USSC confirming as much, calling it an egregious error and unlawful.

 

[Skylar]

Their crime is entering the US illegally. They are part of a "predatory incursion". Out they go.

Then show me their conviction for entering the US illegally.

You can't. They were never charged with such a crime, let alone convicted of it. Instead, they were indefinitely imprisoned in a foreign gulag despite no conviction of ANY crime, nor any hearing permitted to defend themselves.

And a predatory incursion by which government or foreign nation?

Be specific.

 

[berg80]

The irony of the issue is there is a legal way for the regime to be very tough on illegal immigrants. Arguably, it has been. But now they are choosing to do things illegally.

 

[whitehall]

"The Vibe"? Is that the best the NYT can do while democrats are in complete disarray?

 

[kyzr]

"or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government"
What foreign nation or government is perpetrating, attempting, or threatening any invasion or predatory incursion? Show me.

Read my post 155 again. Trump mentions Venezuelan gangs and TDA. MS-13 may have a nexus with a government, but international drug cartels fit the intent of the law as well. They kill 100,000 Americans a year. 166,000 Chinese, 125,000 Russians, thousands of convicted criminals, and hundreds of terrorists are all subject to deportation.

 

[Skylar]

The irony of the issue is there is a legal way for the regime to be very tough on illegal immigrants. Arguably, it has been. But now they are choosing to do things illegally.

That's the part that's so concerning. The district court ruling was quite clear that no part of that ruling prevented Trump from deporting these men under Title 8's INS. But Trump wouldn't invoke Title 8, instead invoking TItle 50: the Alien and Sedition Act.

The very act used as legal justification to imprison without charge or conviction of any crime US citizens. With Trump calling for US CItizens to be sent to the exact same foreign gulags he insists is beyond judicial review.

 

[Skylar]

Read my post 155 again. Trump mentions Venezuelan gangs and TDA. MS-13 may have a nexus with a government, but international drug cartels fit the intent of the law as well. They kill 100,000 Americans a year. 166,000 Chinese, 125,000 Russians, thousands of convicted criminals, and hundreds of terrorists are all subject to deportation.

Post 55 in no way addresses this issue. As it supports no legal argument designating drug cartels as either a foreign nation nor government. Nor does Trump's proclamation designate drug cartels as either a foreign nation or government.

Here's Trump's proclamation. There's not even an attempt to declare them a foreign nation or government.

Designating Cartels And Other Organizations As Foreign Terrorist Organizations And Specially Designated Global Terrorists

DESIGNATING CARTELS AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AS FOREIGN TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS AND SPECIALLY DESIGNATED GLOBAL TERRORISTS By the authority vested in me as

www.whitehouse.gov

Try again.

 

[kyzr]

He was sent there in violation of a court order, as part of an administrative error already admitted to by the US government. Meaning his deportation to El Salvador was NOT lawful. With the USSC confirming as much, calling it an egregious error and unlawful.

An invalid court order, the USSC told the district judge to file in the correct district, and NOT to encroach on presidential authority.
You got nothing.

 

[kyzr]

Post 55 in no way addresses this issue. As it supports no legal argument designating drug cartels as either a foreign nation nor government. Nor does Trump's proclamation designate drug cartels as either a foreign nation or government.
Here's Trump's proclamation. There's not even an attempt to declare them a foreign nation or government. Try again.

LOL. I don't have to try again. You can try to stop it. No standing? Awwwww.

This is fixing Mayorkas' breaking the law having open borders, and swearing they are not open.

Trump's proclamation stands as adequate/legal, in spite of your objections.

 

[Skylar]

LOL. I don't have to try again. You can try to stop it. No standing? Awwwww.

This is fixing Mayorkas' breaking the law having open borders, and swearing they are not open.

You're still stuck at the exact same spot.

"....or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government...."

There's no foreign nation or government to apply Title 50 to.

Title 50 doesn't recognize gangs as either foreign nations or government. Nor does any US statute. Trump's proclamation doesn't even attempt to classify them as such.

So which foreign nation or government are you referring to?

Be specific.

 

[Dragonlady]

OMG berg take a break, the dogs don't like the democrat dog food.

Democrats are TOXIC, face facts. Whining about Trump isn't winning any voters.

The Constitution doesn't say anything about medical research, does it?

That's what pharmaceutical companies do for a living, DUH.

Nobody is taking a break until you clowns awaken from your fever dream, and realize that Donald Trump is destroying your country, and trying to take the rest of the world down with him.

Stop pretending that you're defending the Constitution. There was no such thing a "medical research" in 1776. They were using leeches for medical treatment at the time.

Pharmaceutical companies are NOT doing the research, fool. Most medical research is done by UNIVERSITIES.

 

[MagicMike]

I tried reading that opinion piece... gave me a headache

You need to work on your reading skills.

 

[Nostra]

So the reason that you are disappearing people with NO trial, NO charges, NO arraignments, NO hearings, NO legal representation and imprisoning them despite ZERO convictions of any crime in foreign gulags......

Is because J6 defendants DID receive charges, DID get arraignments, DID get hearings, DID have legal representation, and for hundreds DID receive sentences through plea deals and jury trials and DIDN'T get sent to foreign gulags?

Y'all are raising the false equilancy fallacy to an art form.

If they can disappear an illegal with no hearing to foreign prisons......they can disappear you, CA. As if MAGA snatches you off the street, when would you ever be able to protest your innocence of charges they NEVER levy, in front a judge you NEVER see?

Fake news

 

[Nostra]

Reality and sanity gives you a headache “teach”

If you ever provided either everyone’s head would explode.

 

[BackAgain]

Oh NOZIE! Not that! Not a vibe!!!