The Utter defeat of the Radical wing of the GOP.

[Two Thumbs]

Happened with the passing of the "Fiscal Cliff" bill.

They looked silly. Completely so.

And in the end, President Obama and the Congressional Democrats got what they wanted.

Which ultimately is good for the country. As I post this, the DOW is soaring. Up 237 points.

$4Trillion more added to the debt over 10 years is a win to you?

damn, you really are dumb

 

[elvis]

Yep, our 'Conservatives' are once again showing their great ability at prognostication. They will be just as accurate this time as in the 2012 election.

Or you in regard to 2010.

 

[Sallow]

Happened with the passing of the "Fiscal Cliff" bill.

They looked silly. Completely so.

And in the end, President Obama and the Congressional Democrats got what they wanted.

Which ultimately is good for the country. As I post this, the DOW is soaring. Up 237 points.

$4Trillion more added to the debt over 10 years is a win to you?

damn, you really are dumb

Now now.

I haven't lost the power of speech.

 

[Koios]

There will be no spending cuts but O will go down in history as the largest spender in all of history. He's already made Bush look like the stingiest mofo that ever lived.

Boy the Right is stupid, and obviously ignorant of what drives spending that increases more rapidly than inflation and population increase.

So time for a primmer:

Spending goes up organically. Imagine a Social Security card, then when paper and printing prices increase, along with the need for more to be printed. Cost rises.

So, as a rule, 3 or so percent annually is to be expected, if no new pork or spending programs are added. But once they are, they keep on keeping on until Congress de-appropriates them. Bush 43 creates Medicare Part D, with a nice piece of Big Pharma lobbyist payback in the form of guarantees that market forces of supply and demand will not affect their higher prices to Americans than any other citizens on planet Earth. And until Congress eleminates it, it's in the cost of the Executive's spending requirement. Ditto on wars started because Neo Cons thought Bush 41 stopped short of total victory in Desert Storm. Also, Home Land Security which still needs funding as long as Congress continues to appropriate 10s of Billions we know about and untold other monies which are classified.

And to see the effect, merely track percentage increases from year-to-year:

Clinton: about 4% annually
Bush 43: about 8% annually
Obama: about 2% annually (actually a cut, since it's less due to inflation and population)

So if you think Bush 43 was miserly, you're ******* clueless.

Yes, compared to O, Bush was a spendthrift. That hurts to say that but....you were saying.....something about the left being stupid?

What hurts is we pay more for prescription drugs for Medicare patients than any other citizens on the planet. And Obama is burdened with that cost, as are we. (Thank you not, Bush 43 and GOP.) Ligering cost of the wars, one of which was entered into on entirely false premises. (Thanks not Neo Cons in Bush 43's Admin.) We also fund Home Land Security, the biggest new department of government yet concieved (Thanks not, Bush 43, for making opposition to it something they characterized as "with the Terrorists.) Debate it seems, was not something Bush 43 was keen on.

And Obama has to fund ALL of those things, on top of everything else, and EVEN THEN, has kept spending increases below inflation and population increases, while that ******* nightmare we call the Bush 43 Admin, increased spending nearly three times that of inflation and population.

Bush might easily have been the biggest spender in modern history, while Obama is actually making cuts in spending, per capita and in inflation adjusted Dollars.

Boy that's gotta chap the asses of ignorant ***** (Republicans / Righties) that still hold to the delusion that Dems are spenders and Reps are fiscally responsible, which couldn't be further from the truth.

 

[Sallow]

Boy the Right is stupid, and obviously ignorant of what drives spending that increases more rapidly than inflation and population increase.

So time for a primmer:

Spending goes up organically. Imagine a Social Security card, then when paper and printing prices increase, along with the need for more to be printed. Cost rises.

So, as a rule, 3 or so percent annually is to be expected, if no new pork or spending programs are added. But once they are, they keep on keeping on until Congress de-appropriates them. Bush 43 creates Medicare Part D, with a nice piece of Big Pharma lobbyist payback in the form of guarantees that market forces of supply and demand will not affect their higher prices to Americans than any other citizens on planet Earth. And until Congress eleminates it, it's in the cost of the Executive's spending requirement. Ditto on wars started because Neo Cons thought Bush 41 stopped short of total victory in Desert Storm. Also, Home Land Security which still needs funding as long as Congress continues to appropriate 10s of Billions we know about and untold other monies which are classified.

And to see the effect, merely track percentage increases from year-to-year:

Clinton: about 4% annually
Bush 43: about 8% annually
Obama: about 2% annually (actually a cut, since it's less due to inflation and population)

So if you think Bush 43 was miserly, you're ******* clueless.

Yes, compared to O, Bush was a spendthrift. That hurts to say that but....you were saying.....something about the left being stupid?

What hurts is we pay more for prescription drugs for Medicare patients than any other citizens on the planet. And Obama is burdened with that cost, as are we. (Thank you not, Bush 43 and GOP.) Ligering cost of the wars, one of which was entered into on entirely false premises. (Thanks not Neo Cons in Bush 43's Admin.) We also fund Home Land Security, the biggest new department of government yet concieved (Thanks not, Bush 43, for making opposition to it something they characterized as "with the Terrorists.) Debate it seems, was not something Bush 43 was keen on.

And Obama has to fund ALL of those things, on top of everything else, and EVEN THEN, has kept spending increases below inflation and population increases, while that ******* nightmare we call the Bush 43 Admin, increased spending nearly three times that of inflation and population.

Bush might easily have been the biggest spender in modern history, while Obama is actually making cuts in spending, per capita and in inflation adjusted Dollars.

Boy that's gotta chap the asses of ignorant ***** (Republicans / Righties) that still hold to the delusion that Dems are spenders and Reps are fiscally responsible, which couldn't be further from the truth.

Gotta love math.

 

[Koios]

I suppose you all think it's a good thing to kick the can down the road further ignoring the problem and ensuring this turns into a double dip recession. I can't really agree that this is good. Expected, but not really good.

No. I think it sucks, but the GOP demanded it be kicked down the road in lieu of the debt limit increase bill, which is WHAT CREATED THE ******* FISCAL CLIFF, you ignorant nincumpoop!!!

And how did they "solve" it? Kick it down the road another 3 months. Way to go GOP, you inept ******* cock suckers.

 

[Sallow]

I suppose you all think it's a good thing to kick the can down the road further ignoring the problem and ensuring this turns into a double dip recession. I can't really agree that this is good. Expected, but not really good.

No. I think it sucks, but the GOP demanded it be kicked down the road in lieu of the debt limit increase bill, which is WHAT CREATED THE ******* FISCAL CLIFF, you ignorant nincumpoop!!!

And how did they "solve" it? Kick it down the road another 3 months. Way to go GOP, you inept ******* cock suckers.

Dude.

No reason to insult anyone.

Especially good ol' Avatar4321..who generally doesn't engage in insults.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Boy the Right is stupid, and obviously ignorant of what drives spending that increases more rapidly than inflation and population increase.

So time for a primmer:

Spending goes up organically. Imagine a Social Security card, then when paper and printing prices increase, along with the need for more to be printed. Cost rises.

So, as a rule, 3 or so percent annually is to be expected, if no new pork or spending programs are added. But once they are, they keep on keeping on until Congress de-appropriates them. Bush 43 creates Medicare Part D, with a nice piece of Big Pharma lobbyist payback in the form of guarantees that market forces of supply and demand will not affect their higher prices to Americans than any other citizens on planet Earth. And until Congress eleminates it, it's in the cost of the Executive's spending requirement. Ditto on wars started because Neo Cons thought Bush 41 stopped short of total victory in Desert Storm. Also, Home Land Security which still needs funding as long as Congress continues to appropriate 10s of Billions we know about and untold other monies which are classified.

And to see the effect, merely track percentage increases from year-to-year:

Clinton: about 4% annually
Bush 43: about 8% annually
Obama: about 2% annually (actually a cut, since it's less due to inflation and population)

So if you think Bush 43 was miserly, you're ******* clueless.

Yes, compared to O, Bush was a spendthrift. That hurts to say that but....you were saying.....something about the left being stupid?

What hurts is we pay more for prescription drugs for Medicare patients than any other citizens on the planet. And Obama is burdened with that cost, as are we. (Thank you not, Bush 43 and GOP.) Ligering cost of the wars, one of which was entered into on entirely false premises. (Thanks not Neo Cons in Bush 43's Admin.) We also fund Home Land Security, the biggest new department of government yet concieved (Thanks not, Bush 43, for making opposition to it something they characterized as "with the Terrorists.) Debate it seems, was not something Bush 43 was keen on.

And Obama has to fund ALL of those things, on top of everything else, and EVEN THEN, has kept spending increases below inflation and population increases, while that ******* nightmare we call the Bush 43 Admin, increased spending nearly three times that of inflation and population.

Bush might easily have been the biggest spender in modern history, while Obama is actually making cuts in spending, per capita and in inflation adjusted Dollars.

Boy that's gotta chap the asses of ignorant ***** (Republicans / Righties) that still hold to the delusion that Dems are spenders and Reps are fiscally responsible, which couldn't be further from the truth.

O's budget has increased since he took office. He hasnt passed a budget in four years. He will go down as the biggest spender in US history....easily surpassing the previous 43 presidents......combined but that wont even chap the left although they complained incessantly about it during Bush 43 terms.

 

[Koios]

Yes, compared to O, Bush was a spendthrift. That hurts to say that but....you were saying.....something about the left being stupid?

What hurts is we pay more for prescription drugs for Medicare patients than any other citizens on the planet. And Obama is burdened with that cost, as are we. (Thank you not, Bush 43 and GOP.) Ligering cost of the wars, one of which was entered into on entirely false premises. (Thanks not Neo Cons in Bush 43's Admin.) We also fund Home Land Security, the biggest new department of government yet concieved (Thanks not, Bush 43, for making opposition to it something they characterized as "with the Terrorists.) Debate it seems, was not something Bush 43 was keen on.

And Obama has to fund ALL of those things, on top of everything else, and EVEN THEN, has kept spending increases below inflation and population increases, while that ******* nightmare we call the Bush 43 Admin, increased spending nearly three times that of inflation and population.

Bush might easily have been the biggest spender in modern history, while Obama is actually making cuts in spending, per capita and in inflation adjusted Dollars.

Boy that's gotta chap the asses of ignorant ***** (Republicans / Righties) that still hold to the delusion that Dems are spenders and Reps are fiscally responsible, which couldn't be further from the truth.

Gotta love math.

Nah; it's just a tool, and not something to love, per se.

And here; let me help out: take actual spending in the prior year, and then deduct that from actual spending in the year you're endeavoring to identify the percentage increase. Then divide the delta by the prior year, bearing in mind that the 2 digits to the right of the decimal is the percentage. Example: .085 = 8.5%

Even you should be able to do it, using the calculator app on your computer. Have a ball.

 

[Koios]

Yes, compared to O, Bush was a spendthrift. That hurts to say that but....you were saying.....something about the left being stupid?

What hurts is we pay more for prescription drugs for Medicare patients than any other citizens on the planet. And Obama is burdened with that cost, as are we. (Thank you not, Bush 43 and GOP.) Ligering cost of the wars, one of which was entered into on entirely false premises. (Thanks not Neo Cons in Bush 43's Admin.) We also fund Home Land Security, the biggest new department of government yet concieved (Thanks not, Bush 43, for making opposition to it something they characterized as "with the Terrorists.) Debate it seems, was not something Bush 43 was keen on.

And Obama has to fund ALL of those things, on top of everything else, and EVEN THEN, has kept spending increases below inflation and population increases, while that ******* nightmare we call the Bush 43 Admin, increased spending nearly three times that of inflation and population.

Bush might easily have been the biggest spender in modern history, while Obama is actually making cuts in spending, per capita and in inflation adjusted Dollars.

Boy that's gotta chap the asses of ignorant ***** (Republicans / Righties) that still hold to the delusion that Dems are spenders and Reps are fiscally responsible, which couldn't be further from the truth.

O's budget has increased since he took office. He hasnt passed a budget in four years. He will go down as the biggest spender in US history....easily surpassing the previous 43 presidents......combined but that wont even chap the left although they complained incessantly about it during Bush 43 terms.

Yes. We covered that under percentage increase, which is driven by population and inflation, to the tune of about 3% a year, if spending programs go unchanged.

Meanwhile, the Executive requests appopriations and then signs into law what the Legislative passes, or doesn't pass, when the House votes for some trud they know will never pass the Senate.

Read up on how government (ours) works. You might find it interesting.

 

[Avatar4321]

I suppose you all think it's a good thing to kick the can down the road further ignoring the problem and ensuring this turns into a double dip recession. I can't really agree that this is good. Expected, but not really good.

No. I think it sucks, but the GOP demanded it be kicked down the road in lieu of the debt limit increase bill, which is WHAT CREATED THE ******* FISCAL CLIFF, you ignorant nincumpoop!!!

And how did they "solve" it? Kick it down the road another 3 months. Way to go GOP, you inept ******* cock suckers.

This isn't a GOP deal. The vast majority of the right opposed kicking this down the road.

This could have been avoided at any point had we made the Bush tax cuts permenant years ago.

This could be avoided if politicians in either party were willing to actually cut the spending so we don't need to borrow money and come close to the debt ceiling.

Nothing has been fixed by this deal. Just like nothing was fixed in the last debt ceiling deal where Obama keeps getting what he wants and the conservatives in the GOP get absolutely NOTHING.

Let's have one serious cut to the budget. Im not talking about slowing growth, but a serious cut. You will never get anyone to actually cut the government. You won't get anyone seriously proposing we end baseline budgeting and that Congress actually do it's job and create a budget based on the tax revenues we actually receive.

There are only a few GOP reps actually fighting for a real solution to this problem and unfortunately, they aren't doing enough.

 

[SniperFire]

Sweet win for the GOP!

Stealthy.


The debt ceiling still looms. Hammer time.

The sequester still kicks in. Cut MOFO.

The Republicans in the House were fighting to exempt 100% of Americans from major tax increases, and were able to protect 99.4% of us. Excellent job in the big picture.

And the good news is, Obama can no longer demagogue the Bush tax cut issue, as the issue is now seperated from the handouts.

And even the media will have a hard time trying to tell us Obama does not own it all now.

I like!

 

[Koios]

I suppose you all think it's a good thing to kick the can down the road further ignoring the problem and ensuring this turns into a double dip recession. I can't really agree that this is good. Expected, but not really good.

No. I think it sucks, but the GOP demanded it be kicked down the road in lieu of the debt limit increase bill, which is WHAT CREATED THE ******* FISCAL CLIFF, you ignorant nincumpoop!!!

And how did they "solve" it? Kick it down the road another 3 months. Way to go GOP, you inept ******* cock suckers.

This isn't a GOP deal. The vast majority of the right opposed kicking this down the road.

This could have been avoided at any point had we made the Bush tax cuts permenant years ago.

This could be avoided if politicians in either party were willing to actually cut the spending so we don't need to borrow money and come close to the debt ceiling.

Nothing has been fixed by this deal. Just like nothing was fixed in the last debt ceiling deal where Obama keeps getting what he wants and the conservatives in the GOP get absolutely NOTHING.

Let's have one serious cut to the budget. Im not talking about slowing growth, but a serious cut. You will never get anyone to actually cut the government. You won't get anyone seriously proposing we end baseline budgeting and that Congress actually do it's job and create a budget based on the tax revenues we actually receive.

There are only a few GOP reps actually fighting for a real solution to this problem and unfortunately, they aren't doing enough.

It is when Boehner's Congress votes to pass it. You do realized that all spending by the Executive must be made law by the Congress; yeah?

Just checking.

 

[Sallow]

I suppose you all think it's a good thing to kick the can down the road further ignoring the problem and ensuring this turns into a double dip recession. I can't really agree that this is good. Expected, but not really good.

No. I think it sucks, but the GOP demanded it be kicked down the road in lieu of the debt limit increase bill, which is WHAT CREATED THE ******* FISCAL CLIFF, you ignorant nincumpoop!!!

And how did they "solve" it? Kick it down the road another 3 months. Way to go GOP, you inept ******* cock suckers.

This isn't a GOP deal. The vast majority of the right opposed kicking this down the road.

This could have been avoided at any point had we made the Bush tax cuts permenant years ago.

This could be avoided if politicians in either party were willing to actually cut the spending so we don't need to borrow money and come close to the debt ceiling.

Nothing has been fixed by this deal. Just like nothing was fixed in the last debt ceiling deal where Obama keeps getting what he wants and the conservatives in the GOP get absolutely NOTHING.

Let's have one serious cut to the budget. Im not talking about slowing growth, but a serious cut. You will never get anyone to actually cut the government. You won't get anyone seriously proposing we end baseline budgeting and that Congress actually do it's job and create a budget based on the tax revenues we actually receive.

There are only a few GOP reps actually fighting for a real solution to this problem and unfortunately, they aren't doing enough.

First off..why would you "cut" government?

You going to cut the number of states the US has too?

How about cutting the population?

You can't "cut" government if the population isn't decreasing or you are going to get rid of land.

Secondly..if Republicans want cuts..they should be the folks identifying what they want cut.

Because generally when they do that..it hurts them politically.

 

[elvis]

I suppose you all think it's a good thing to kick the can down the road further ignoring the problem and ensuring this turns into a double dip recession. I can't really agree that this is good. Expected, but not really good.

No. I think it sucks, but the GOP demanded it be kicked down the road in lieu of the debt limit increase bill, which is WHAT CREATED THE ******* FISCAL CLIFF, you ignorant nincumpoop!!!

And how did they "solve" it? Kick it down the road another 3 months. Way to go GOP, you inept ******* cock suckers.

This isn't a GOP deal. The vast majority of the right opposed kicking this down the road.

This could have been avoided at any point had we made the Bush tax cuts permenant years ago.

This could be avoided if politicians in either party were willing to actually cut the spending so we don't need to borrow money and come close to the debt ceiling.

Nothing has been fixed by this deal. Just like nothing was fixed in the last debt ceiling deal where Obama keeps getting what he wants and the conservatives in the GOP get absolutely NOTHING.

Let's have one serious cut to the budget. Im not talking about slowing growth, but a serious cut. You will never get anyone to actually cut the government. You won't get anyone seriously proposing we end baseline budgeting and that Congress actually do it's job and create a budget based on the tax revenues we actually receive.

There are only a few GOP reps actually fighting for a real solution to this problem and unfortunately, they aren't doing enough.

Tax cuts would have been great if bush jr hadn't tried to conquer the Middle East.

 

[elvis]

No. I think it sucks, but the GOP demanded it be kicked down the road in lieu of the debt limit increase bill, which is WHAT CREATED THE ******* FISCAL CLIFF, you ignorant nincumpoop!!!

And how did they "solve" it? Kick it down the road another 3 months. Way to go GOP, you inept ******* cock suckers.

This isn't a GOP deal. The vast majority of the right opposed kicking this down the road.

This could have been avoided at any point had we made the Bush tax cuts permenant years ago.

This could be avoided if politicians in either party were willing to actually cut the spending so we don't need to borrow money and come close to the debt ceiling.

Nothing has been fixed by this deal. Just like nothing was fixed in the last debt ceiling deal where Obama keeps getting what he wants and the conservatives in the GOP get absolutely NOTHING.

Let's have one serious cut to the budget. Im not talking about slowing growth, but a serious cut. You will never get anyone to actually cut the government. You won't get anyone seriously proposing we end baseline budgeting and that Congress actually do it's job and create a budget based on the tax revenues we actually receive.

There are only a few GOP reps actually fighting for a real solution to this problem and unfortunately, they aren't doing enough.

It is when Boehner's Congress votes to pass it. You do realized that all spending by the Executive must be made law by the Congress; yeah?

Just checking.

Pelosi agreed to overspend...

Under bush and Obama.

 

[Avatar4321]

First off..why would you "cut" government?

You going to cut the number of states the US has too?

How about cutting the population?

You can't "cut" government if the population isn't decreasing or you are going to get rid of land.

Secondly..if Republicans want cuts..they should be the folks identifying what they want cut.

Because generally when they do that..it hurts them politically.

Because:

1) We can't afford it in it's current incarnation
2) The Constitution is being violated in countless ways with the Feds constantly interfering in areas the states are entitled to sole control.
3) We can't afford it.
4) We can't afford it.

I have no desire to see my nation turn into what Greece is now. Especially since if we fall, the rest of the world will fall as well.

 

[Koios]

No. I think it sucks, but the GOP demanded it be kicked down the road in lieu of the debt limit increase bill, which is WHAT CREATED THE ******* FISCAL CLIFF, you ignorant nincumpoop!!!

And how did they "solve" it? Kick it down the road another 3 months. Way to go GOP, you inept ******* cock suckers.

This isn't a GOP deal. The vast majority of the right opposed kicking this down the road.

This could have been avoided at any point had we made the Bush tax cuts permenant years ago.

This could be avoided if politicians in either party were willing to actually cut the spending so we don't need to borrow money and come close to the debt ceiling.

Nothing has been fixed by this deal. Just like nothing was fixed in the last debt ceiling deal where Obama keeps getting what he wants and the conservatives in the GOP get absolutely NOTHING.

Let's have one serious cut to the budget. Im not talking about slowing growth, but a serious cut. You will never get anyone to actually cut the government. You won't get anyone seriously proposing we end baseline budgeting and that Congress actually do it's job and create a budget based on the tax revenues we actually receive.

There are only a few GOP reps actually fighting for a real solution to this problem and unfortunately, they aren't doing enough.

Tax cuts would have been great if bush jr hadn't tried to conquer the Middle East.

Actually; not even then. Bush 43 solved a problem we didn't have: surplus, which is what's needed to pay down the debt.

 

[Koios]

This isn't a GOP deal. The vast majority of the right opposed kicking this down the road.

This could have been avoided at any point had we made the Bush tax cuts permenant years ago.

This could be avoided if politicians in either party were willing to actually cut the spending so we don't need to borrow money and come close to the debt ceiling.

Nothing has been fixed by this deal. Just like nothing was fixed in the last debt ceiling deal where Obama keeps getting what he wants and the conservatives in the GOP get absolutely NOTHING.

Let's have one serious cut to the budget. Im not talking about slowing growth, but a serious cut. You will never get anyone to actually cut the government. You won't get anyone seriously proposing we end baseline budgeting and that Congress actually do it's job and create a budget based on the tax revenues we actually receive.

There are only a few GOP reps actually fighting for a real solution to this problem and unfortunately, they aren't doing enough.

It is when Boehner's Congress votes to pass it. You do realized that all spending by the Executive must be made law by the Congress; yeah?

Just checking.

Pelosi agreed to overspend...

Under bush and Obama.

Yes. But now it's what Boehner is doing.

 

[Avatar4321]

BTW I agree that the GOP should be targetting and identifying what they want to cut