The US Has ZERO Chance Of Defending Taiwan, Naval Power In That Region Now In Jeopardy

[jotathought]

Seems easy……China has such a huge military after all

Russia taking Ukraine seemed easy too and Ukraine was right on their border. China must land a force over 100 miles of ocean. Keep in mind China has never engaged in modern warfare and has never executed an amphibious landing.

Taiwan has 13 beaches suitable for a landing. All are surrounded by mountains making getting your force off the beach difficult.

A Chinese landing force would face mines, torpedos, anti-ship missiles, submarines and air attacks

It could be done, but given Chinas lack of experience in amphibious landings and difficulty in logistically supporting a landing force, it would be very difficult and costly

Russia has superiority with its Navy . and it's land based troops have proven lack luster in both Afghanistan and Ukraine. That's not really relevant to a Taiwanese invasion. Models have demonstrated multiple different outcomes, with significant loss to Taiwan, China and U.S. forces ..

Regardless .. the United States is not prepared for a long-war. Period .. and the proxy war against Russia isn't setting the United States in a favorable position for matters that really matter .. what is the U.S. interest with Ukraine? what is the U.S. interest with Taiwan?

 

[Mac-7]

Let's be homest for a minute -

The United States has vowed to defend Taiwan from China; however, the battle for Taiwan is already over. The US has ZERO chance of protecting / defending Taiwan from China.

Recently while US political representatives visited Taiwan, China held a massive military exercise during which it completely surrounded Taiwan with a huge naval force that included several carriers.

Had China wanted to it could have seized control of Taiwan in less than an hour, and there is little we could have done about it.

We have carriers in the region...SO WHAT?!

With its new hypersonic missiles they call 'Carrier Destroyers' (a VERY accurate name), not only is Taiwan in danger but so is the US' naval power / force projection capability in that region.

China could very well take Taiwan and that entire naval region ... very quickly.


This past weekend, during an intetview, several top Navy commanders acknowledged this, stating the US has no answer for hypersonic weapons.
- Now its being reported China may hace a hypersonic drone that can carry weapons.


The US f*ed around, cancelled our own hypersonic reseatch years ago and our military power - our national security - is now in jeopardy.

While China is possibly making our navy obsolete, Obama and Democrats have been working hard to undermine, weaken, and destroy our military, reducing our recruitment and retention capabilities, further weakening the Uas and endangering our national security.

At the sane time Biden continues to make deals and moves to make China stronger and the US more dependent on China.

On top of all of our other challenges, thanks to Biden, we are drawing closer to possible war with China with a depleted national oil resetve and dangerously low stockpile of critical weapons and munitions.

One of the biggest signs Biden has no intention of keeping the US' promise to defend Taiwan is his refusal to allow crtical weapons Taiwan bought YEARS ago be delivered to Taiwan so they can at least defend themselves ...

...for a few minutes.

MDA: U.S. Aircraft Carriers Now at Risk from Hypersonic Missiles - USNI News

This post has been updated to correct the spelling of the first name of the director of the Missile Defense Agency, Vice Adm. Jon Hill. U.S. aircraft carriers are already facing risks from hypersonic weapons that are now entering the inventory of American adversaries and the Navy has developed...

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Hypersonic weapons are a serious threat

But whether they are the game changer that some people say they are remains to be seen

 

[Mac-7]

Russia has superiority with its Navy . and it's land based troops have proven lack luster in both Afghanistan and Ukraine. That's not really relevant to a Taiwanese invasion. Models have demonstrated multiple different outcomes, with significant loss to Taiwan, China and U.S. forces ..

Regardless .. the United States is not prepared for a long-war. Period .. and the proxy war against Russia isn't setting the United States in a favorable position for matters that really matter .. what is the U.S. interest with Ukraine? what is the U.S. interest with Taiwan?

Taiwan is a vital strategic interest for the United States, japan, south korea, the philippines and others including India and europe

Much is made of the microchip production but there is far more at stake than that

 

[Vastator]

I can’t remember off hand the number, but… a significant portion of global trade flows through the South China Sea, and the waters between China, and Taiwan. If China were to theoretically take Taiwan; they could get a stranglehold on global commerce if they so chose…

 

[jotathought]

Taiwan is a vital strategic interest for the United States, japan, south korea, the philippines and others including India and europe

Much is made of the microchip production but there is far more at stake than that

Exactly .. Biden is fighting a proxy war against Russia for what interest? So Ukraine can join NATO? Or coverup the personal interests his family had? Surely we can transition Hunter Biden into a United States position to provide subject matter expertise on energy.

 

[JohnDB]

China has no chance. They only have two Aircraft Carriers and one was bought from the Soviet Union. (Out of date and not that functional)
Their newer one is a copy of the old one.

They are building a third and have plans for a fourth.

They need a minimum of four and realistically 6 to actually successfully perform an amphibious blockaide and assault on Taiwan.
They are a decade away from doing anything like that at a minimum.

But the original premise that our Navy needs more servicemen and more upgrading to full strength is true. (Meaning money)

80% of the world's economy is through trade on the open sea....which the USA has provided security and protection for. Naval servicemen are spending longer and longer periods out at sea or on duty....which makes it more difficult to recruit more sailors. Also we have an aging fleet which needs more frigates, corvettes, and destroyers that actually work. Also more drones (all three aerial and submersible and floating) Drone warfare is a significant part of the future.

The oceans are full of ships these days...our navy is a significant reason why. Cheap and safe shipping is the reason.

And PRC cannot make computer wafer chips....only silicon for the wafers. Taiwan has the equipment, China does not. The equipment is embargoed from PRC ever getting one...and taking Taiwan will not help....because the PEOPLE who operate the equipment that makes chips is highly technical and specialized...and all of them have done their stint in the military. (Compulsory military service in Taiwan is done by everyone)

 

[The Duke]

China will land on Taiwan .. Taiwan only has 166K active duty military and 1.6 million in reserve... and China has the world's largest standing army and navy with 2 million active soldiers. War between Taiwan and China would leave the U.S. Military devastated .. without 155MM Rounds ..

Even simulators are predicting these types of outcomes .. and as of now .. the U.S. is unprepared for a long-war.

300.

 

[Mac-7]

Exactly .. Biden is fighting a proxy war against Russia for what interest? So Ukraine can join NATO? Or coverup the personal interests his family had? Surely we can transition Hunter Biden into a United States position to provide subject matter expertise on energy.

I think ukraine and Taiwan are related

If puny incompetent and unmotivated russia can prevail in ukraine it will encourage china

 

[rightwinger]

what is the U.S. interest with Ukraine? what is the U.S. interest with Taiwan?

Ukraine is a neutral country between Russia and NATO forces.
Russia is one on the biggest military threats to the U.S. One which we have been preparing for 75 years.

Ukraine forces are taking care of that threat for us. Exposing Russian weaknesses and depleting their fighting capabilities

 

[jotathought]

300.

Exactly ..

 

[jotathought]

Ukraine is a neutral country between Russia and NATO forces.
Russia is one on the biggest military threats to the U.S. One which we have been preparing for 75 years.

Ukraine forces are taking care of that threat for us. Exposing Russian weaknesses and depleting their fighting capabilities

Ukraine is taking care of the threat .. with Billions of dollars of financial aid and munitions -- including 50+ million rounds of 5.56 and 1.5 million rounds of 155 mm ... for what? what is the desired outcome in Biden's proxy war?

 

[rightwinger]

Ukraine is taking care of the threat .. with Billions of dollars of financial aid and munitions -- including 50+ million rounds of 5.56 and 1.5 million rounds of 155 mm ... for what? what is the desired outcome in Biden's proxy war?

Billions of dollars vs the Trillions we spent deploying and supporting US a troops in Iraq and Afghanistan

Ukraine fighting means we don’t.

The desired outcome is Ukraine holds off the Russians, Russian forces are depleted and defeated and limp back to Russia. Russian military is not the threat to the West for decades

Putin is disgraced and is either deposed or dies from current health issues

 

[easyt65]

Hypersonic weapons are a serious threat

But whether they are the game changer that some people say they are remains to be seen

Again, US Navy Commander stated we have no defence against them - 'ccarrier killers'.

 

[JohnDB]

Ukraine is taking care of the threat .. with Billions of dollars of financial aid and munitions -- including 50+ million rounds of 5.56 and 1.5 million rounds of 155 mm ... for what? what is the desired outcome in Biden's proxy war?

This isn't Biden's war.
Never has been although that is the Russian propaganda at the moment. You are successfully parroting what Russian propagandists are saying.

All of NATO membership nations are keeping their promise of the NPA. If they didn't, they would never get another treaty....and they are continually needing them.

Poland itself is looking for some payback....so is Slovakia and Finland. Ukraine is a European proxy....USA just built the coalition and is providing some supplies (as per agreement)

 

[Vastator]

Again, US Navy Commander stated we have no defence against them - 'ccarrier killers'.

Modern carriers, as cool as they may seem; are relics of the past. They require an insane amount of support just to keep them operational, and protected. They’ve only been allowed to flourish in the manner they have is because they have never faced a “near peer” opposition since WWII. The first time one of the exorbitantly expensive sitting ducks becomes a reef starter kit (and it will happen), the US is going to change its Naval doctrine….

 

[rightwinger]

Modern carriers, as cool as they may seem; are relics of the past. They require an insane amount of support just to keep them operational, and protected. They’ve only been allowed to flourish in the manner they have is because they have never faced a “near peer” opposition since WWII. The first time one of the exorbitantly expensive sitting ducks becomes a reef starter kit (and it will happen), the US is going to change its Naval doctrine….

Yet, they are our greatest tool for projecting power

 

[Vastator]

Yet, they are our greatest tool for projecting power

Seemingly. But who’ve we really projected power toward in the last 50, or so years..?

 

[rightwinger]

Seemingly. But who’ve we really projected power toward in the last 50, or so years..?

Our carriers have been used repeatedly to bring extensive firepower to any region within days

 

[Vastator]

Our carriers have been used repeatedly to bring extensive firepower to any region within days

Never against a near peer opponent. Don’t get me wrong… They’re super useful against third world soldiers who barely have a brown water navy at best… But against an opponent who might even have the slightest chance of sinking one..? Send in the politicians. It’s time for “diplomacy”. Because the first person to lose a modern aircraft carrier, has literally flushed his career, and ambitions down the toilet.

 

[jotathought]

Billions of dollars vs the Trillions we spent deploying and supporting US a troops in Iraq and Afghanistan

Ukraine fighting means we don’t.

The desired outcome is Ukraine holds off the Russians, Russian forces are depleted and defeated and limp back to Russia. Russian military is not the threat to the West for decades

Putin is disgraced and is either deposed or dies from current health issues

blah blah blah .. you can't answer the question and it has put the United States in a vulnerable position ..