The unsustainability of "green" energy

[Old Rocks]

Grid-Scale Battery Storage Is Already Viable In Australia
May 18th, 2017 by Giles Parkinson

Originally published on RenewEconomy.

Have you heard the line recently that grid-based battery storage is “coming”, but is not quite “commercial”, but might be in a few years time, or even a decade or two?

It’s a common misconception. But if you wondered about the overwhelming response to the recent tenders by South Australia and Victoria for the country’s largest battery storage installations, here’s why: The technology is already in the money.

That, at least, is the estimate of Bloomberg New Energy Finance analyst Kobad Bhavnagri, who says that battery storage is not just in the money, it is a long way into the money in states like South Australia, already with a high level of wind and solar and volatile wholesale electricity prices.http://reneweconomy.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/kobad-storage-viable.jpg



“We’ve seen the price of battery packs as fallen by 75 per cent by 2010, and our calculations show that will fall by a further 75 per cent by 2030,” due to technology innovation and manufacturing scale, Bhavnagri said.

Grid-Scale Battery Storage Is Already Viable In Australia

Just the beginning.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Ukip candidate asks panel debate 'what happens when renewable energy runs out?'
The Green lobby has yet to answer this question.

 

[Old Rocks]

By golly, it is a known fact that the wind will stop blowing and the sun will go out someday, right? LOL

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

By golly, it is a known fact that the wind will stop blowing and the sun will go out someday, right? LOL

The Sun "goes out" every night.
And except for in front of your gob, the wind is known to slow and sometimes stop.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

By golly, it is a known fact that the wind will stop blowing and the sun will go out someday, right? LOL

Its a constant that these hippies dont factor in to their weird calculations.

 

[Old Rocks]

Damned hippies with Phs's in physics, materials science, and engineering. Todd is obviously smarter than all of them put together. Now if he could just figure out simple probability.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Damned hippies with Phs's in physics, materials science, and engineering. Todd is obviously smarter than all of them put together. Now if he could just figure out simple probability.

Dont hold your breath.

 

[P@triot]

By golly, it is a known fact that the wind will stop blowing and the sun will go out someday, right? LOL

It's also a "known fact" that these technologies which you have been conditioned to worship, cost millions of dollars to implement and produce the energy equivalence of a ****'n AAA battery.

In other words - it's idiotic and inefficient. Everything that progressives embrace.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

By golly, it is a known fact that the wind will stop blowing and the sun will go out someday, right? LOL

It's also a "known fact" that these technologies which you have been conditioned to worship, cost millions of dollars to implement and produce the energy equivalence of a ****'n AAA battery.

In other words - it's idiotic and inefficient. Everything that progressives embrace.

I have also been told that these windmills are a threat to fragile ecologies because they kill birds.

 

[Billo_Really]

Don't get me wrong - "green" energy is a great concept. But so is cold fusion, automobiles that run on water, and a world without wars. Unfortunately, all of them are absurd pipe-dreams at this time.

The problem with "green" energy is the cost/benefit ratio. You have to spend millions of dollars to get the energy equivalent of a AAA battery (I'm exaggerating obviously but sadly not by a whole lot). Which makes it an unsustainable business venture. The federal government illegally invested half a billion dollars into Solyndra and they still went bankrupt.

Now, the world's largest renewable energy developer is also on the verge of bankruptcy as well. The government needs to get out of the green energy business and allow the private sector to fund all research and development. We're $19 trillion in debt because of illegal nonsense like that, and we can't afford to keep betting on a loser. Some day, technology will advance to the point where green energy will be a viable and brilliant solution. But that time is not now and pumping billions of dollars a year for over 4 decades now has yielded no ROI (and even if it had, it is still unconstitutional and that is all that matters).

World's largest renewable energy developer on verge of bankruptcy

They're on the verge of bankruptcy because they tried to monopolize the industry and bit off more than they could chew, not because of the technology. As usual, you are full of shit.

We are $19 trillion in debt because of these bullshit wars we've been fighting for the last 10 years; our obscene defense budget; corporate welfare in the form of tax breaks; and pieces of shit like Tom Price and Steven Mnuchin wanting to have tax payers pay for their travel expenses.

 

[P@triot]

They're on the verge of bankruptcy because they tried to monopolize the industry and bit off more than they could chew, not because of the technology.

You've said a shit-ton of really stupid and desperate stuff over the years Billo_Really - but this is by far the dumbest. If they "monopolized the industry" they would be rolling in hundreds of billions of dollars (think Microsoft).

"Bit off more than they could chew"

 

[P@triot]

They're on the verge of bankruptcy because they tried to monopolize the industry and bit off more than they could chew, not because of the technology.

 

[P@triot]

We are $19 trillion in debt because of these bullshit wars we've been fighting for the last 10 years

Billo_Really "logic" - we should not have responded when Al Qaeda collapsed the World Trade Center towers because that is a "bullshit war".

Defense is the constitutional responsibility of the federal government and is easily funded. The defense budget is roughly $550 billion. We spend over $1 trillion per year on unconstitutional socialism.

As usual - you speak from a place of astounding ignorance (and greed).

 

[P@triot]

We are $19 trillion in debt because of...corporate welfare in the form of tax breaks

That is as absurd as saying it is "social welfare" that we allow you to keep your pc to post on USMB.

Snowflake...that money belongs to the corporations. It is already theirs. Allowing them to keep what is already theirs is not "welfare", Castro. The fact that you want to believe you deserve it and that they owe it to you is a tribute to your greed and ignorance.

Meanwhile, you cheered Barack Insane Obama wildly for illegally/unconstitutionally throwing trillions of dollars at GM, Chrysler, Wall Street, Solyndra, and more. Actual "corporate welfare" you supported.

 

[danielpalos]

By golly, it is a known fact that the wind will stop blowing and the sun will go out someday, right? LOL

It's also a "known fact" that these technologies which you have been conditioned to worship, cost millions of dollars to implement and produce the energy equivalence of a ****'n AAA battery.

In other words - it's idiotic and inefficient. Everything that progressives embrace.

I have also been told that these windmills are a threat to fragile ecologies because they kill birds.

Smaller could be better. Smaller fans could placed where birds are an actual nuisance.

 

[Billo_Really]

You've said a shit-ton of really stupid and desperate stuff over the years Billo_Really - but this is by far the dumbest. If they "monopolized the industry" they would be rolling in hundreds of billions of dollars (think Microsoft).

"Bit off more than they could chew"

Now we know why you're not a CEO.

You should try reading your own link before looking like a dumbass?

 

[danielpalos]

The right wing only has a problem with corporate welfare for individuals, not corporations that can afford to hire entire departments to help them conform to rational choice theory or fill out corporate welfare forms in triplicate, if necessary.

 

[Billo_Really]

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If you want to see two men kiss, do it on your own time.

 

[Billo_Really]

Billo_Really "logic" - we should not have responded when Al Qaeda collapsed the World Trade Center towers because that is a "bullshit war".

Defense is the constitutional responsibility of the federal government and is easily funded. The defense budget is roughly $550 billion. We spend over $1 trillion per year on unconstitutional socialism.

As usual - you speak from a place of astounding ignorance (and greed).

It is a bullshit war. A bullshit war that has cost us $6 trillion to date. The War on Terrorism is definitely bullshit. You can't have a war against a tactic. They didn't call WWII, "war on blitzkrieg".

 

[P@triot]

The right wing only has a problem with corporate welfare for individuals, not corporations that can afford to hire entire departments to help them conform to rational choice theory or fill out corporate welfare forms in triplicate, if necessary.

Vintage progressive greed and ignorance. When a corporation has to spend money for "an entire department" dedicated to filling out government forms in triplicate - it takes away the money they need to grow. It takes away the money they need for R&D. It takes away the money they need for expansion. It takes away the money they need for innovation.

And all because people like Daniel Palos are too lazy to start their own damn business and too greedy to go without.