The unsustainability of "green" energy

[danielpalos]

lol. dude, nobody takes the right wing seriously about microeconomics, either.

Everybody takes us seriously on economics - that's why the American people turned to us after you Dumbocrats ran the entire economy into the ground.

y'all only won the bigotry and stereotype vote.

 

[danielpalos]

End the drug war, right wingers. Nothing but repeal is, right up y'alls alley.

End the drug war, Dumbocrats. Encouraging and legalizing chemicals (along with promiscuity, immortality, and corruption) is right up "y'alls alley".

Only the right wing claims to be for, "smaller government" while establishing, "bigger government". Isn't there a religious technical term for that?

 

[Slash]

Is the credit a "sum of money granted by the government" and does it "assist an industry or business" so that the "price of an EV may remains low or competitive"?

SO these tax credits I've shown you for oil, sums of money granted by the government, intended to keep the price of oil exploration and digging low and competitive are subsidies or not?

Look, I'm only using your logic here. Rural energy subsidies have been around for decades. Like you say, green energy is negligible for almost the entirety of those handouts. A Sum of money granted by the government that assists the fossil fuels industry so the price of electricity can remain low.


Either it's a subsidy or it isn't. You say that isn't. SO EV's arent'.

And you ask about subsidies on cars. Were you alive 8 years ago for the bailouts? For Cash for Clunkers?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Is the credit a "sum of money granted by the government" and does it "assist an industry or business" so that the "price of an EV may remains low or competitive"?

SO these tax credits I've shown you for oil, sums of money granted by the government, intended to keep the price of oil exploration and digging low and competitive are subsidies or not?

Look, I'm only using your logic here. Rural energy subsidies have been around for decades. Like you say, green energy is negligible for almost the entirety of those handouts. A Sum of money granted by the government that assists the fossil fuels industry so the price of electricity can remain low.


Either it's a subsidy or it isn't. You say that isn't. SO EV's arent'.

And you ask about subsidies on cars. Were you alive 8 years ago for the bailouts? For Cash for Clunkers?

SO these tax credits I've shown you for oil,

Writing off a business expense is not a tax credit.

sums of money granted by the government, intended to keep the price of oil exploration and digging low

If I spend a bunch of money and drill a dry hole, allowing me to deduct the expense of drilling doesn't help me.
I can only deduct expenses from revenue. The government gets no tax from me, I have no profit, the deduction cost them nothing.

You buy an EV, you get a check from the government. Doesn't matter if Tesla loses money, you get a check.

Rural energy subsidies have been around for decades.

Yes, paying an energy company to provide in a rural area is a subsidy.

A Sum of money granted by the government that assists the fossil fuels industry so the price of electricity can remain low.

Yes, that's a subsidy to the rural consumer.

For Cash for Clunkers?

One of Obama's dumber ideas. And that's saying a lot!

 

[Slash]

SO these tax credits I've shown you for oil,

Writing off a business expense is not a tax credit.

sums of money granted by the government, intended to keep the price of oil exploration and digging low

If I spend a bunch of money and drill a dry hole, allowing me to deduct the expense of drilling doesn't help me.
I can only deduct expenses from revenue. The government gets no tax from me, I have no profit, the deduction cost them nothing.

You buy an EV, you get a check from the government. Doesn't matter if Tesla loses money, you get a check.

Rural energy subsidies have been around for decades.

Yes, paying an energy company to provide in a rural area is a subsidy.

A Sum of money granted by the government that assists the fossil fuels industry so the price of electricity can remain low.

Yes, that's a subsidy to the rural consumer.

For Cash for Clunkers?

One of Obama's dumber ideas. And that's saying a lot!

So tesla isn't getting any subsidies either, just the "consumer" which isn't a subsidy. Got it. SO no subsidies for green energy at all is your claim now.

Thanks for proof that green energy is sustainable. That's all I needed.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

SO these tax credits I've shown you for oil,

Writing off a business expense is not a tax credit.

sums of money granted by the government, intended to keep the price of oil exploration and digging low

If I spend a bunch of money and drill a dry hole, allowing me to deduct the expense of drilling doesn't help me.
I can only deduct expenses from revenue. The government gets no tax from me, I have no profit, the deduction cost them nothing.

You buy an EV, you get a check from the government. Doesn't matter if Tesla loses money, you get a check.

Rural energy subsidies have been around for decades.

Yes, paying an energy company to provide in a rural area is a subsidy.

A Sum of money granted by the government that assists the fossil fuels industry so the price of electricity can remain low.

Yes, that's a subsidy to the rural consumer.

For Cash for Clunkers?

One of Obama's dumber ideas. And that's saying a lot!

So tesla isn't getting any subsidies either, just the "consumer" which isn't a subsidy. Got it. SO no subsidies for green energy at all is your claim now.

So tesla isn't getting any subsidies either,Thanks for proof that green energy is sustainable. That's all I needed.

I know it's difficult for you to see the difference between giving a subsidy to a few rural customers and giving a subsidy to every EV buyer, but it's there.

So tesla isn't getting any subsidies either,

Handing money to their customers makes their product more affordable, more competitive.

Thanks for proof that green energy is sustainable

Sustainable? Tell me more.

 

[Slash]

I know it's difficult for you to see the difference between giving a subsidy to a few rural customers and giving a subsidy to every EV buyer, but it's there.

Not to every buyer, just the initial ones. Unlike the tax credits for customers for electricity, this one has dedicated ending times so it probably won't hit the 70 billion dollar mark that the EIC valued those credits over the lifetime of those tax breaks.

Based on that, I see Big oil getting what? 45 times the money? Yeah that's a difference I see. Do you?


Handing money to their customers makes their product more affordable, more competitive.

Yes it's a tax credit, plenty of other industries get. This one is specific to a specific industry which is EV's. Not a subsidy. You've already proven that.


Sustainable? Tell me more.

No need, you already proved it twice over.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I know it's difficult for you to see the difference between giving a subsidy to a few rural customers and giving a subsidy to every EV buyer, but it's there.

Not to every buyer, just the initial ones. Unlike the tax credits for customers for electricity, this one has dedicated ending times so it probably won't hit the 70 billion dollar mark that the EIC valued those credits over the lifetime of those tax breaks.

Based on that, I see Big oil getting what? 45 times the money? Yeah that's a difference I see. Do you?


Handing money to their customers makes their product more affordable, more competitive.

Yes it's a tax credit, plenty of other industries get. This one is specific to a specific industry which is EV's. Not a subsidy. You've already proven that.


Sustainable? Tell me more.

No need, you already proved it twice over.

Not to every buyer, just the initial ones.

Yes, the subsidy goes to new EVs only.

Based on that, I see Big oil getting what? 45 times the money?

Which subsidies did you see amongst the typical business expense write-offs you listed?

Yes it's a tax credit, plenty of other industries get.

List a few.

This one is specific to a specific industry which is EV's

Yes, the specific tax credit is a subsidy specific to EVs.

No need, you already proved it twice over.

The fact that government hands them billions in subsidies isn't proof of sustainability.

 

[P@triot]

lol. dude, nobody takes the right wing seriously about microeconomics, either.

Everybody takes us seriously on economics - that's why the American people turned to us after you Dumbocrats ran the entire economy into the ground.

y'all only won the bigotry and stereotype vote.

Bwahahahahaha! And that was enough to crush you idiotic progressives in every election across the nation? You clearly have it backwards (intentionally). Stop projecting bruh...

 

[P@triot]

Government "green" energy at its absolute finest...

Biomass fuels just mean things like wood pellets. Pellets made out of wood. For every 100 pounds spent on wood pellets, they would receive 160 pounds. It sounds like a great way to save the planet and make a few extra bucks. The “renewable heat incentive” sounded so good that people started buying wood pellets left and right.

In fact, people started buying biomass boilers and wood pellets just for the money. Some true geniuses were able to make this government subsidy into a personal passive income stream! For example, one farmer expected to make a million pounds heating an empty shed and another was on track to make a million and a half heating a couple empty factories. This is the way these things always seem to turn out. The government designs a system to force people to help the environment. It winds up costing a fortune and making the environment worse. Classic #GreenFail story.

But wait! It gets even better....

The misuse of this environmental program is now estimated to cost taxpayers upwards of 660 million pounds. And the real kicker is that environmentalists wasted all this cash convincing people that literally lighting trees on fire was somehow environmentally friendly. It’s not. It’s a tree holocaust. And for what? It’s not even good for the environment.

Wood is absolutely not carbon-neutral. For example, the DRAX power station uses more than a million metric tons of wood pellets from the US every year. The result? The power station produces more than 3% more carbon dioxide than coal and twice as much as natural gas. And you also have to take into account the additional carbon emissions of just getting the wood pellets across the pond from America.

Great job lefties! Vintage progressive fail. Costing tax payers unimaginable fortune while destroying the environment.

Massive #GreenFail Strikes Ireland, Costing Taxpayers Millions

 

[P@triot]

Government "green" energy at its absolute finest...

Biomass fuels just mean things like wood pellets. Pellets made out of wood. For every 100 pounds spent on wood pellets, they would receive 160 pounds. It sounds like a great way to save the planet and make a few extra bucks. The “renewable heat incentive” sounded so good that people started buying wood pellets left and right.

In fact, people started buying biomass boilers and wood pellets just for the money. Some true geniuses were able to make this government subsidy into a personal passive income stream! For example, one farmer expected to make a million pounds heating an empty shed and another was on track to make a million and a half heating a couple empty factories. This is the way these things always seem to turn out. The government designs a system to force people to help the environment. It winds up costing a fortune and making the environment worse. Classic #GreenFail story.

But wait! It gets even better....

The misuse of this environmental program is now estimated to cost taxpayers upwards of 660 million pounds. And the real kicker is that environmentalists wasted all this cash convincing people that literally lighting trees on fire was somehow environmentally friendly. It’s not. It’s a tree holocaust. And for what? It’s not even good for the environment.

Wood is absolutely not carbon-neutral. For example, the DRAX power station uses more than a million metric tons of wood pellets from the US every year. The result? The power station produces more than 3% more carbon dioxide than coal and twice as much as natural gas. And you also have to take into account the additional carbon emissions of just getting the wood pellets across the pond from America.

Great job lefties! Vintage progressive fail. Costing tax payers unimaginable fortune while destroying the environment.

Massive #GreenFail Strikes Ireland, Costing Taxpayers Millions

 

[danielpalos]

Top 10 Renewable Energy Trends to Watch in 2017

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Ukip candidate asks panel debate 'what happens when renewable energy runs out?'

This is where the debate is at in the UK. UKIP being the equivalent nutty right wing party.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Ukip candidate asks panel debate 'what happens when renewable energy runs out?'

This is where the debate is at in the UK. UKIP being the equivalent nutty right wing party.

When there is no wind or sun?
You have to burn fossil fuels.

 

[danielpalos]

Fusion (an energy with a future) is the way to go.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Ukip candidate asks panel debate 'what happens when renewable energy runs out?'

This is where the debate is at in the UK. UKIP being the equivalent nutty right wing party.

When there is no wind or sun?
You have to burn fossil fuels.

Where are they going ?

 

[danielpalos]

Ukip candidate asks panel debate 'what happens when renewable energy runs out?'

This is where the debate is at in the UK. UKIP being the equivalent nutty right wing party.

When there is no wind or sun?
You have to burn fossil fuels.

Where are they going ?

A better energy grid should always make sense to, "an empire where the sun never sets."

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Ukip candidate asks panel debate 'what happens when renewable energy runs out?'

This is where the debate is at in the UK. UKIP being the equivalent nutty right wing party.

When there is no wind or sun?
You have to burn fossil fuels.

Where are they going ?

When the wind stops blowing....it doesn't "go" anywhere.
At night, the output of solar panels is pretty low.

Hard to run a high tech economy with fluctuating power levels.

 

[bripat9643]

Fossil fuels are cheap to produce because much of it is practically given away to the companies through federal leases.

They have to pay for the leases, moron, so how is it "given away?"

 

[Old Rocks]

Ukip candidate asks panel debate 'what happens when renewable energy runs out?'

This is where the debate is at in the UK. UKIP being the equivalent nutty right wing party.

When there is no wind or sun?
You have to burn fossil fuels.

Where are they going ?

When the wind stops blowing....it doesn't "go" anywhere.
At night, the output of solar panels is pretty low.

Hard to run a high tech economy with fluctuating power levels.

Grid-Scale Electricity Storage Technologies: Global Markets
Published - Jan 2016| Analyst - Christopher Maara| Code - EGY142

Report Highlights
The global market for grid-scale battery storage technologies reached $637 million in 2014. This market is projected to reach nearly $4.0 billion in 2025 from $716 million in 2015 at a compound annual growth rate of 18.7% for the period 2015-2025.

Report Includes

• An overview of the global markets for grid-scale electricity storage technologies.
• Analyses of global market trends, with data from 2014, 2015, estimnates for 2020 and projections of CAGRs through 2025.
• A look at factors influencing growth of the market including a growing share of power generation coming from intermittent renewable energy sources, rising commodity prices, and escalating energy peak demand and price in many economies.

Grid-Scale Electricity Storage Technologies: Global Markets: EGY142A | BCC Research

I think that this report vastly underestimates the market for grid scale batteries in the near future.