Zone1 the universe has a beginning

[trevorjohnson83]

When the galaxies first formed and life began 13 billion years or so ago, Do you think the bible's existence in the universe was the same as today? perhaps humans started with ship sailing fishing inventions in the beginning in an archaic state. Then they developed an age of black and white camera technology, then came the computer age which is where we are at now? Could the Bible be a book that evolves slowly with human existence in the universe? Could its problems be answered even though they weren't before?

 

[BothWings]

When the galaxies first formed and life began 13 billion years or so ago, Do you think the bible's existence in the universe was the same as today? perhaps humans started with ship sailing fishing inventions in the beginning in an archaic state. Then they developed an age of black and white camera technology, then came the computer age which is where we are at now? Could the Bible be a book that evolves slowly with human existence in the universe? Could its problems be answered even though they weren't before?

Probably has had many beginnings and many more to come. Poor humans can't conceive of infinity.

 

[BreezeWood]

Could its problems be answered even though they weren't before?

yes, they, all three desert bibles are meant as guides what can be worse than they are controlled by the crucifiers and have been from their beginnings is why they emphasize faith over fruition - fallacies than truths.

 

[Quantrill]

When the galaxies first formed and life began 13 billion years or so ago, Do you think the bible's existence in the universe was the same as today? perhaps humans started with ship sailing fishing inventions in the beginning in an archaic state. Then they developed an age of black and white camera technology, then came the computer age which is where we are at now? Could the Bible be a book that evolves slowly with human existence in the universe? Could its problems be answered even though they weren't before?

(Gen. 1:1) "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth"

That will never change or evolve. But we do not know how far back the 'beginning' is. Because we are not told.

Just like with (John 1:1-2) "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God."

We just are not told when that 'beginning' was.

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[The Sage of Main Street]

(Gen. 1:1) "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth"

That will never change or evolve. But we do not know how far back the 'beginning' is. Because we are not told.

Just like with (John 1:1-2) "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God."

We just are not told when that 'beginning' was.

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As Incomprehensible as "In the Beginning Was the Number"

Logos doesn't mean "word." The best definition here is "plan."

 

[Quantrill]

As Incomprehensible as "In the Beginning Was the Number"

Logos doesn't mean "word." The best definition here is "plan."

I have no idea what you're saying about the 'beginning'.

Where did you get that definition of Logos?

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[fncceo]

Poor humans can't conceive of infinity.

"What is eternity? You're on the checkout line at a supermarket. There are seven people in front of you. They are all old. They all have two carts and coupons for every item. They are all paying by check. None of them have ID. It's the checkout girl's first day on the job. She doesn't speak any English. Take away fifteen minutes from that, and you begin to get an idea of what eternity is."

-- Emo Philips, philosopher and fashion influencer

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I have no idea

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Beware of Greeks Bearing Gifs

Figure out the difference between astronomy and astrology, which believes there is a supernatural plan behind the arrangement of stars and planets.

 

[Quantrill]

Beware of Greeks Bearing Gifs

Figure out the difference between astronomy and astrology, which believes there is a supernatural plan behind the arrangement of stars and planets.

How about you just answer my question. Why is that so difficult?

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I have no idea what you're saying about the 'beginning'.

The Early Universe

 

[Quantrill]

The Early Universe

And your point is....or do you have one?

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[ding]

Logos doesn't mean "word." The best definition here is "plan."

"logos" is the ancient Greek word that gave rise to the English word "logic but "logos" itself has a much broader meaning that includes "word," "discourse," "reason," "principle," or the intelligent order behind the universe. While logic focuses on formal systems of thought, logos in its original Greek context encompasses a wider array of concepts, such as reasoned speech, universal reason, and the very structure of reality.
The Relationship Between Logos and Logic

• Origin:The word "logic" (in Greek, loyikí) is directly derived from the Greek word logos.
• Evolution of Meaning:Over time, Greek philosophers and thinkers, such as Aristotle, used the concept of logos to describe reasoned thought and discourse, which then led to the formalization of "logic" as the study of correct reasoning.

The Broader Meaning of Logos

• Word and Discourse:At its most fundamental level, logos means "word" or "speech," but also extends to "discourse," "reason," "explanation," and even "story".
• Reason and Order:For ancient Greek philosophers like Plato and the Stoics, logos referred to a universal, divine reason or the intelligent principle that governs the universe.
• Rhetoric and Persuasion:In rhetoric, logos refers to the use of reason and facts to persuade an audience, making it a fundamental part of communication.

In Summary
While the English word "logic" directly comes from "logos," the original Greek term is a far richer and more multifaceted concept than just formal logic. It encompasses the fundamental principles of reality, the structure of thought, and the power of reasoned communication.

 

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And your point is....or do you have one?

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The universe began from a quantum tuning event of paired particle production which produced a cascading event of inflation as more and more paired particles were created from the radiation from matter-antimatter annihilations. For every existing particle in the universe, 1 billion antimatter particles annihilated 1 billion matter particles. Such was the magnitude of the firestorm of paired particle production. And none of these particles came from existing matter. The universe literally popped into existence. That’s the Big Bang theory and that link I gave you is about the Big Bang theory which is the generally accepted theory of how our universe began.

 

[Quantrill]

The universe began from a quantum tuning event of paired particle production which produced a cascading event of inflation as more and more paired particles were created from the radiation from matter-antimatter annihilations. For every existing particle in the universe, 1 billion antimatter particles annihilated 1 billion matter particles. Such was the magnitude of the firestorm of paired particle production. And none of these particles came from existing matter. The universe literally popped into existence. That’s the Big Bang theory and that link I gave you is about the Big Bang theory which is the generally accepted theory of how our universe began.

I don't believe the 'big bang theory'.

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I don't believe the 'big bang theory'.

Quantirll

Why not?

 

[Quantrill]

The universe began from a quantum tuning event of paired particle production which produced a cascading event of inflation as more and more paired particles were created from the radiation from matter-antimatter annihilations. For every existing particle in the universe, 1 billion antimatter particles annihilated 1 billion matter particles. Such was the magnitude of the firestorm of paired particle production. And none of these particles came from existing matter. The universe literally popped into existence. That’s the Big Bang theory and that link I gave you is about the Big Bang theory which is the generally accepted theory of how our universe began.

I don't believe the 'big bang theory'.

Quantirll

 

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I don't believe the 'big bang theory'.

Quantirll

I got that. What I don’t understand is why you don’t believe the Big Bang theory. Why don’t you believe the Big Bang theory?

 

[Quantrill]

Why not?

It's just a theory, making yours just a belief.

And I don't believe it.

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[ding]

It's just a theory, making yours just a belief.

And I don't believe it.

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Why don’t you believe it. What is it that you do believe?

 

[Quantrill]

Why don’t you believe it. What is it that you do believe?

Because I don't. All of it.

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